Kan jy so gaaf wees om vir my die inligting te kry ivm met Adams Mission?
Wanneer is dit begin?
Gloudina het dit miskien gegee, maar ek het dit nie gekry nie.
Kan nie iets by die biblioteek kry nie.- sal iemand by die hoofbiblioteek
moet vra - maar miskien wil sy weet of ek Eva is:))
As jy nie die paar myl wil afdraf soontoe nie, bel maar - ek sal vir jou 'n
langtiekie aanstuur:)))
Dankie Krokkie,
Ek het die storie oor die radio gehoor vanoggend - en onmiddelik gewonder -
as dieselfde toets deur dieselfde Amerikaners in Amerika gedoen sou word -
wat die uitslae sou wees?
Ek dink nie veel verskillend nie. - veral nie wat die saameet betref nie:))
Ek meen - ek kyk rolprente hier, so ek weet wat daar aangaan:))
--
Groetnis,
Annette. ann...@ctnet.co.za
Happiness is a state of Mind.
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> Cape Town - A substantial proportion of black South Africans believe whites
> are racist and untrustworthy and find it hard to imagine ever being friends
> with them, according to findings of a survey.
> The survey, released on Monday, carried out for the Cape Town-based
> Institute for Justice and Reconciliation (IJR), also found that 81 percent
> of black respondents had never eaten a meal with a white person.
>
> The poll was aimed at evaluating people's opinions of the Truth and
> Reconciliation Commission (TRC) and its effect on South African society.
>
> In their analysis of the findings, researchers Professor James Gibson of
> Washington University in the United States, and IJR staffer Helen Macdonald
> said this "racial isolation" impeded reconciliation.
>
> "Black South Africans do not understand whites, they feel uncomfortable
> around them," they said.
>
> "We do not argue that to 'know' is necessarily to 'love' ... but it is
> difficult not to be suspicious of groups with which one has had little
> personal contact and experience."
>
> But they also said it was important to put the data into perspective by
> imagining what responses might have been like a decade ago.
>
> More reconciliation than expected
>
>
> "From the perspective of the vitriolic debates about race that are so
> prominent in South Africa today, the data portray substantially more racial
> reconciliation than would be expected.
>
> "South Africa is far from being a contented 'rainbow nation', but it is also
> a country in which many seem to reject the intense racial animosity of the
> past."
>
> The survey, based on 3 727 interviews, found that less than a quarter of
> blacks said they understood the customs and ways of whites. Roughly half of
> the whites, coloured and Asians asserted they did not understand blacks.
>
> Fifty-six percent of blacks believed whites were untrustworthy, while a
> third of whites believed the same of blacks.
>
> Sixty-nine percent of blacks were willing to ascribe selfish motives to
> whites, while only 45 percent of whites held similar views on blacks.
>
> Asked whether whites were non-racist, just over a third of blacks agreed, 22
> percent were uncertain, and 43 percent disagreed.
>
> Asked the same question about blacks, half the white respondents disagreed,
> 27 percent agreed, and the rest were uncertain.
>
> 'Hard to imagine white friends'
>
>
> Just over half the blacks found it hard to imagine ever being friends with a
> white person. For whites, the figure was 19 percent.
>
> Equal proportions of blacks and whites - just under a fifth of each group -
> thought South Africa would be a better place without the other race.
>
> However, Gibson and Macdonald said the survey also showed most South
> Africans were hopeful about their future, and a majority, or near-majority,
> of each group was hopeful as well.
>
> "Important issues face the country and many of these issues divide South
> Africa by race. But, most seem committed to a multi-racial South Africa. Few
> would have predicted such findings a decade ago."
>
> Consensus on TRC
>
> They found "vast racial differences" in how people evaluated the TRC.
>
> While 76 percent of black South Africans approved of the work of the body,
> only 37 percent of whites supported it.
>
> Generally speaking, most people of all colours judged the amnesty process to
> be unfair, even to the individuals seeking amnesty.
>
> It was thought to be particularly unjust towards those who died in the
> struggle against apartheid.
>
> The researchers said they were surprised by the finding that most whites
> supported a policy under which the government would pay compensation to
> victims of gross human rights abuses, which implied that they recognised "to
> at least some degree" responsibility for the past.
>
> Apartheid 'crime against humanity'
>
> Most South Africans, of all races, agreed that apartheid as practised in
> South Africa was a crime against humanity.
>
> However, half of the white respondents, and a "somewhat surprising" 36
> percent of blacks, believed that though there had been abuses, the ideas
> behind apartheid were "basically good".
>
> "This most likely means that the 'separate development' aspects of apartheid
> are endorsed, rather than the idea that a racial hierarchy is acceptable,"
> said the authors.
>
> They said it was consequently not surprising to find that many South
> Africans believed the struggle to preserve apartheid was just.
>
> The finding that a greater proportion of blacks than whites (40 percent to
> 34 percent) held this view was "unexpected", perhaps indicating that people
> accepted that each racial community had the right to a separate existence.
>
> South Africans of every race accepted what was probably a central conclusion
> of the TRC - that those who struggled for and against apartheid committed
> horrible abuses, and the differences between blacks and whites on this issue
> were insignificant.
>
Wat nogal van belang is, is die vernaam die laaste drie paragrawe.
------------------------------------------------------------ ---------
Races do not understand each other in S.Africa: survey
Copyright 2001 by Agence France-Presse (via ClariNet) / Mon, 11 Jun 2001
13:30:10 PDT
CAPE TOWN, June 11 (AFP) - A majority of black South Africans surveyed
believe that whites are racist and untrustworthy and find it hard to imagine
ever being friends with them, according to findings of a poll released on
Monday.
The survey, carried out for the Cape Town-based Institute for Justice and
Reconciliation (IJR), also found that 81 percent of black respondents had
never eaten a meal with a white person.
The poll was aimed at evaluating people's opinions of the Truth and
Reconciliation Commission (TRC) and its effect on South African society.
In their analysis of the findings, researchers James Gibson of Washington
University in Saint Louis, Missouri, and IJR staffer Helen Macdonald said
this "racial isolation" impeded reconciliation.
"Black South Africans do not understand whites, they feel uncomfortable
around them," they said.
"We do not argue that to 'know' one's counterparts is necessarily to 'love'
them ... but it is difficult not to be suspicious of groups with which one
has had little personal contact and experience."
But they also said it was important to put the data into perspective by
imagining what responses might have been a decade ago.
"From the perspective of the vitriolic debates about race that are so
prominent in South Africa today, these data portray substantially more
racial reconciliation than would be expected.
"South Africa is far from being a contented 'rainbow nation', but it is also
a country in which many seem to reject the intense racial animosity of the
past."
The survey, based on 3,727 interviews, found that fewer than a quarter of
blacks said they understood the customs and ways of whites. Roughly half of
the whites, coloured (mixed-race) and Asians asserted they did not
understand blacks.
Fifty-six percent of black South Africans believed whites were
untrustworthy, while a third of whites believed the same of blacks.
Just over half the blacks found it hard to imagine ever being friends with a
white person. For whites, the figure was 19 percent.
But Gibson and Macdonald said the survey showed most South Africans were
hopeful about their future.
"Important issues face the country, and many of these issues divide South
Africa by race. But at the end of the day, most seem committed to a
multi-racial South Africa, and many hold attitudes compatible with a
harmonious future for the country. Few would have predicted such findings a
decade ago," they said.
They found "vast racial differences" in how people evaluated the TRC, which
gave amnesties for political crimes.
While 76 percent of black South Africans approved of the work of the body,
only 37 percent of whites supported it.
Most South Africans of all races agreed that apartheid as practised in South
Africa was a crime against humanity.
However, half of the white respondents, and a "somewhat surprising" 36
percent of blacks, believed that though there had been abuses, the ideas
behind apartheid were "basically good".
"This most likely means that the 'separate development' aspects of apartheid
are endorsed, rather than the idea that a racial hierarchy is acceptable,"
said the authors.
Wat's die nuutse skinderstorie hier op die NG?
Wie het vir reisger geblok toe hy wegkruipertjie wou speel en niemand wou
saamspeel nie?
En wat het Gloudina gesê oor die algemene toestand van die onderwys by die
suidpool toe die pikkewyne ewe skielik begin aandring om in hul moedertaal
(Linux) onderrig te word?
Wat is Wouter plaasvark se gunsteling modderpoel? en hoe maak hy die pap dik
aan?
Thys met sy tong in die kies en skinder stories in die nuus!
Reisiger het nou hi-tech geword, en saai in twee tale uit (ongelukkig na
net een Afrikaanse nuusgroep) Reisiger, jy moet jou Engelse poste
na die Engelse nuusgroep stuur hoor, ons het joune klaar in Afrikaans
gelees,
en sien nie kans om dit weer in Engels te doen nie.
Groete
Pop (en Gerty) - jou fans
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> Would like to congratulate the Government of our Paradise, and elsewhere on the
> Planet, including all Individuals, Organizations, and Governments, who are
> contributing to the African Renaissance, and especially the ANC for achieving
> super success so far, as well for the future. Especially for the following:
> Determinism and courage. The many initiatives led by President Thabo Mbeki,
> Parasatals and the Private Sector, on behalf of hiv+/aids research in our
> Paradise, and elsewhere on the Planet. The holistic approach towards the role
> the immune system, in regarding to a cure for hiv+/aids. Hiv+/aids advertisement
> campaign. Supplying of hiv+/aids medicines. Generally considered to be the best
> approach to combat hiv+/aids, as mentioned above. Beneficial multi-cultural
> support initiatives. Including the many contributions delivered to the African
> and South African Renaissance. And to support the Government of our Paradise,
> and elsewhere on the Planet, to achieve their goals. For the People of our
> Paradise, the African Continent, and elsewhere on the Planet. And many more.
> This is highly appreciated. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
>
> An issue close to heart, is to increase the peace and prosperity of the People
> of our Paradise, and elsewhere on the Planet, tremendously.
>
> Keep faith, hope and love. Know the moment has arrived to receive support
> exponentially. Please note any recommendation given is done in the spirit of
> Freedom of Choice. Anyone have the right to use this as a base, and / or
> customize it towards their own specific needs.
>
> Would like to suggest to increase Planetary meetings, with Governmental
> organizations, as well as supporting organizations, and the Media. To increase
> the calculation of the exact day/date and/or week, where applicable, for the
> green light requested here to appear, if at all possible. To be given preferably
> via the daily Media in encoded form. To increase more effective planning of time
> and contributions on the personal level. This will be highly appreciated. Thank
> you from the bottom of my heart.
>
> This will assist President Thabo Mbeki tremendously. Especially when President
> Mbeki take the South African Renaissance, and especially the African Renaissance
> a quantum leap forward, around June 2000, and/or shortly thereafter. President
> Mbeki will be able to repeat successes achieved in the South African Renaissance
> for the many Countries participating in the African Renaissance. To make it the
> success it deserves to be. An economic boom period can be expected. Upon
> signaling readiness by the giving of a green light as requested. To the benefit
> of all involved.
>
> Upon giving of the green light:
>
> Look at the astonishing results - beyond wildest dreams:
> More effective support to increase the successes of the African and the South
> African Renaissance, can increase tremendously.
> More effective support for policies already laid out by the ANC can increase
> tremendously.
> More supportive relations can increase tremendously.
>
> Economies, and potential economies, can increase tremendously.
> Peace and prosperity can increase tremendously.
> Common interests can benefit all parties tremendously.
> The African and South African Renaissance can take a quantum leap forward.
> The Planetary Renaissance can take a quantum leap forward.
> And a better life for all can be created.
>
> Unity is Strength. People that join together, survive together in a better
> world. This is an attempt to build the path towards the 22nd Century with
> greatness, goodness and grace. Love all Serve all.
>
> Hope this helps. Together for a better future. One for all and All for one.
> Become a magical Person to create a Paradise and Planet where everybody is happy
> and free from pain and suffering.
>
> Persevere to Protect the Psychology, Physique and Prosperity (Mind, Body,
> Spirit) of the People of our Paradise, and anywhere on the Planet, with Pride
> and Prestige, Playfully and Profitably, so they can reach their Peak Performance
> Passionately.
>
> PS. Any hissing snakes towards anybody is due to a blind spot, and will be
> corrected when seen. Sincerest apologies is noted therefore. Please forgive.
>
> (An hiv+/aids contribution is in the pipeline. To be delivered upon completion
> of research required.)
>
Ons inflasie (bo 6%) is nog hoër as by julle (onder 3%). Dis die
belangrikste rede hoekom ons rentekoerse hoër is. Maar daar is 'n sekondêre
rede, ons reële rentekoerse word hoog gehou om die inflasie verder af te
kry. Die hoë rentekoerse onderdruk die mense se leningsvermoë en hulle
vermoë om te koop en daardeur vraag vir produkte skep en dit help om die
Rand sterker te hou as wat dit anders sou gewees het. Dit verminder ook die
inflasiekoers.
Ons is nie 'n eerstewêreldland nie en wel nog erg bekommerd oor inflasie.
Wouter
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Wouter Plaasvark wrote:
Die eerstewêreldlande is nie meer bekommerd oor inflasie nie.
As ek reg onthou, is julle rentekoerse in SA nog taamlik
hoog in vergelyking met wat ons s'n is. Hoekom sal dit
wees?
Ons rentekoerse is die laagste wat dit nog was vir omtrent
twee dekades.
Ek wonder wanner laas die ou tannie Gloudina nou juis in SA was, en hoekom
sy uit SA weg is, hou sy dalk nie van die swart omies en tannies nie. En is
daar daar 'n ander engelse woord vir die mooi woord "aparthide" wat daar
gebruik word om na SA te verwys. Wel in daai ander oom se woorde "Ou tannies
of die meeste van hulle pis my af". - Koos Kombuis (Ou Tannies) Ek sal dit
waardeur as iemand die volle lirieke hier sal plaas. Sy gaan nou weer seker
geeerd voel dat iemand soos ek nou ook niks anders het om oor te dink nie.
Sulke dinge gebeur net as ek my brein vir 5 sekondes op iets anders laat
probeer konsentreer.
Ek het al gewonder as sy dan klink soos 'n groot apartheid vegter, hoekom
het sy nie al jare terug die struggle gejoin nie. Of wou jou ma -hulle jou
net nie toe-laat.
Groete
Fatal Exception
(Die wit man wat nou eers struggle om weer bo uit te kom.)
(For some the struggle ended in 1993, for some it started, some even got
startled so they departed. - The Fatal Exception has occurred )
Wil graag die Regering van ons Paradys, en elders op die Planeet, insluitend
Individue, Organisasies, en Regerings, wat deel neem aan die Afrika Renaissance,
en veral die ANC gelukwens vir die super sukses wat bereik is sover, asook vir
die toekoms. Veral vir die volgende: Deursettingsvermoë en vasberadenheid. Die
menige inisiatiewe geneem deur President Thabo Mbeki, Staatsdepartemente en die
Private Sektor, ten bate van miv+/vigs navorsing in ons Paradys, en elders op
die Planeet. Holistiese benadering vir die rol van die immuun stelsel, aangaande
'n geneesmiddel vir miv+/vigs. Miv+/vigs advertensie veldtog. Verskaffing van
miv+/vigs medisyne. Algemeen beskou as die beste benadering om miv+/vigs te
bestry, soos hierbo vermeld. Voordelige multi-kulturele ondersteuning
inisiatiewe. Insluitend die menige bydraes wat gelewer word aan die Afrika en
Suid Afrika Renaissance. En om die Regering van ons Paradys, en elders op die
Planeet, te ondersteun om hulle doelwitte te bereik. Vir die Persone van ons
Paradys, die Afrika Kontinent, en elders op die Planeet. En nog baie meer. By
voorbaat baie dankie. Dit word inniglik waardeer.
'n Saak wat na aan die hart raak, is om die vrede en voorspoed van die Persone
van ons Paradys, en elders op die Planeet, asemrowend te verhoog.
Behou geloof, hoop en liefde. Onthou die oomblik het aangebreek om eksponensieel
ondersteuning te verkry. Verstaan enige advies hier word gegee in die gees van
Vryheid van Keuse. Enige persoon het die reg om dit te gebruik net soos dit is,
en / of te verander na vrye wil.
Wil graag voorstel om Planetêre ontmoetings te verhoog, met Regerings
organisasies, asook ondersteunende organisasies, en die Media. Om die berekening
te verhoog van die presiese dag/datum en/of week, waar van toepassing, vir die
groen lig wat hier aangevra word te verskyn, indien enigsins moontlik. Om
verkieslik deur die daaglikse Media in gekodeerde vorm gegee te word. Om meer
effektiewe beplanning van tyd asook bydraes te verhoog op die persoonlike vlak.
By voorbaat baie dankie. Dit sal inniglik waardeer word.
Dit kan President Thabo Mbeki geweldig ondersteun. Veral wanneer President Mbeki
die Suid Afrika, en veral die Afrika Renaissance 'n kwantum sprong vorentoe
neem, omtrent Junie 2000 en/of net daarna. President Mbeki kan suksesse behaal
in die Suid Afrika Renaissance herhaal vir menige Lande wat aan die Afrika
Renaissance deelneem. En dit die sukses maak wat dit verdien om te wees. 'n
Ekonomiese bloei tydperk kan verwag word. Nadat gereedheid bereik is in die
verband deur die aanwys van 'n groen lig te lewer, soos aangevra. Ten voordeel
van alle betrokke partye.
Na die aanwys van die groen lig:
Kyk na die asemrowende resultate - bo alle verwagtinge:
Meer effektiewe ondersteuning om die suksesse van die Afrika en Suid Afrika
Renaissancis te verhoog, kan asemrowend verhoog word.
Meer effektiewe ondersteuning aan beleid reëls van die ANC kan asemrowend
verhoog word.
Meer ondersteunende verhoudinge kan asemrowend verhoog word.
Ekonomieë, en potensiële ekonomieë kan asemrowend verhoog word.
Vrede en voorspoed kan asemrowend verhoog word.
Gemeenskaplike belange kan alle partye geweldig bevoordeel.
Die Afrika en Suid Afrika Renaissance kan 'n kwantum sprong vorentoe neem.
Die Planetêre Renaissance kan 'n kwantum sprong vorentoe neem.
En 'n beter lewe kan vir almal geskep word.
Eendrag maak mag. Persone wat mekaar ondersteun, oorleef saam in 'n beter
wêreld. Hierdie is die poging om 'n pad te skep na die 22e Eeu d.m.v. grootheid,
goedheid en grasie. Love all Serve all.
Hoop dit help. Saam vir 'n beter toekoms. Een vir almal en Almal vir een. Word
'n magiese Persoon en help om 'n Paradys en Planeet te skep waar almal gelukkig
is en bevry is van pyn en leiding.
Presteer Voluit om die Verstand, Vlees en Voorspoed van die Persone van ons
Paradys, en elders op die Planeet, met Prag en Praal, Passie, asook Profytvol
Vorentoe, sodat hulle na hulle Prys, hulle Piek, kan Peil.
Ns. Indien enige sissende slange aan enigiemand hier geuiter word, is dit a.g.v.
'n blinke kol in die logika, wat reggestel sal word wanneer dit raakgesien is.
Apologie word nou al aangeteken daarvoor. Vergewe asb.
('n Bydrae aangaande miv+/vigs is ook in die pyplyn. Om gelewer te word nadat
navorsing in die verband voltooi is.)
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