Blykbaar met al die storms die afgelope winter het die riviere te sterk
afgekom, en waterblommetjies is bietjie skaars die seisoen.
Ek gaan vanaand Velddrif skakel om te hoor of daar vir ons is - enigiemand
hier wat ook wil hê as ek kan kry?
Annette
'n Mens is bestem om net eenmaal te sterf, en daarna kom die oordeel.
So is Christus ook net een maal geoffer om die sondes van baie weg te neem.
As Hy die tweede keer verskyn, kom Hy nie inverband met sonde nie,
maar om verlossing te bring vir die wat hom verwag.
From: Henry
Subject: Re: Afghan-American speaks
Date: Thursday, September 27, 2001 6:03 PM
haniba...@webtv.net (Anibal) wrote in message
news:...
> Afghan-American speaks
>
> Group: alt.discuss.clubs.public.issues.misc.proud americans Date: Thu,
> Sep 20, 2001, 10:49am (EDT-3) From: WebG...@webtv.net (Goldilocks)
> This was posted in another group, there are some opinions here that I
> think are worth reading and thinking about.
> -
> -
> -
> An Afgani-American writes
>
> I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the
> Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would
> mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this
> atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What
> else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether
> we "have the belly to do what must be done." And I thought about the
> issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and
> even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's
> going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it all
> looks from where I'm standing. I speak as one who hates the Taliban and
> Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were
> responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be
> done about those monsters. But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not
> Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban
> are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin
> Laden is a political criminal with a plan.
> When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden,
> think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the
> Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan
> people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims
> of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there,
> take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs
> holed up in their country.
> Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The
> answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A
> few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000
> disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food.
> There are millions of widows.
> And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The
> soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the
> Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not
> overthrown the Taliban.
> We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone
> Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already.
> Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses?
> Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their
> hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from
> medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that. New
> bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least
> get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban
> eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide.
> Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't
> move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul
> and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who
> did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause
> with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been raping
> all this time.
> So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with
> true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there
> with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what
> needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill
> as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about
> killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's
> actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some
> Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin
> Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any
> troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let
> us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will
> other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're
> flirting with a World war between Islam and the West. And guess what:
> that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he
> did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there. He
> really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but
> he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's
> got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those lands,
> that's a billion people with nothing left to lose; that's even better
> from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west
> would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years
> and millions would die, not just theirs but ours.
> Who has the belly for that?
> Bin Laden does. Anyone else?
> Tamim Ansary
Seemss to me this guy knows what the deal looks now.
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Na Uys, Lucas Maree kom nou ook Johannes Kerkorrel Europa toe.
Hy kom nie in Nederland nie, maar in Vlaanderen.
Hoera nou kan ek eindelik my gunstelings Afrikaanse sanger gaan hoor en
sien, in lewende lijve.
25 oktober gaan ons Mechelen toe en bly daar 1 nag, dit gee my die
moontlikheid om die soet blou Kerorrel musiek met die Belgiese biertjies te
kombineer.
Dit moet selfs vir 'n rooiwyndrinker lekker klink :-))
Wat jy nie gemeld het nie, is dat Alec Irwin baaaaaaie besig gaan wees - sy
reisgenote is glo 3 dames - Mev. Mbeki, Dr Zuma en ons versigtige minister
van gesondheid Msemang:)))
Annette
> Saturday afternoon on a trade mission aimed at building contacts
> and ventures with the country, developed during the initial visit
> in April.
>
> The trade mission to Japan is part of the first state visit of
> President Thabo Mbeki between October 1-3.
>
> The objective of the visit is also to strengthen bilateral relations
> and to increase high-level dialogue over a wide range of issues.
>
> Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) spokesman Edwin Smith said
> while participating in bilateral meetings and discussions during the
> Visit, Erwin will also speak at an investment seminar on the
> automotive and component sector in Tokyo hosted by Trade and
> Investment South Africa (TISA), DTI's trade and investment
> promotion agency.
>
> TISA is also hosting an investment seminar on clinical trails in
> Osaka as part of the trade mission.
>
> Erwin will be accompanied by senior government officials and they
> will hold meetings with potential business partners and investors.
>
> Meanwhile President Thabo Mbeki and First Lady Zanele Mbeki depart
> on Sunday for Japan.
>
> They will be accompanied by Foreign Affairs Minister Nkosazana Dlamini
> Zuma, Health Minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, Environmental Affairs
> and Tourism Minister Valli Moosa, Arts, Culture, Science and Technology
> Ben Ngubane and Agriculture and Land Affairs Minister Thoko Didiza.
>
> Sapa
>
> Source:
> http://www.bday.co.za/bday/content/direct/1,3523,937486-6078 -0,00.html
Sakkie - is al die Coetzee's, Coetsee's en Kotze's familie?
Het jy oom Jan Coetzee van Bloemfontein - perdeteler- in jou databasis?
Ek kan jou in aanraking met sy dogter bring.
Annette
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