On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:29:25 +0200, "Skokkie" wrote:
"Bodie" skryf in boodskap news:3f22ff8c.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
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> "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message
> news:fkmghvkacdciotkh09jtr8dtlfr325ldhq@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:27:44 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote:
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>>>
>>> "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message
>>> news:vokghv8rtu93vf5q4f30eo6hggars6tcpq@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:39:18 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote:
>>
>>>> >e. Loop bou jou eie huis en los myne uit, anders gaan ek
>>>> >my "1994 oordentlikheid" vergeet...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>
>>>> Waar wil jy nou meer van erkentlikheid hé,
>>>> dat die pampoen wat nou sy huis wil beskerm
>>>> een van die gekke was wat die anc ingestem het?
>>
>>>> Speedy
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jy dink tog seer sekerlik nie die Afrikaanse Teenstand Beweging gaan joune
>>> beskerm nie??
>>>
>>
>> Nee, beslis nie, maar beslis kyk ek in die spieël, en sê aan die ou
>> wat terug kyk. dat hy tevrede kan wees omdat hy geen aandeel het
>> in die huidige toestand nie.
>>
>> Speedy
>
>
> My afrikaans is nie van die beste nie, maar ek dink die volgende is van
> toepassing.
>
> Hoor, hoor!
>
> Bodie. (hopefully I got that right)
>
You are always hopeful, but as usual, missed again!
>
> "Bodie" wrote in message
> news:3f23027a.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>> "Skokkie" wrote in message
>> news:3f1d8c3f.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
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>>> "Andries Joubert" wrote in message
>>> news:7ae3062676e7b18eeb94bba0cd5c80e7@free.teranews.com...
>>>> the time is very high for all our landless brothers
>>>> and sisters to claim land from the setlars who
>>>> robbed us from our belovd african soil long ago.
>>>>
>>>> today i see a very intresting newspapar article
>>>> in the rekord of city tswane wich make me very
>>>> proud and happy to include the same article here
>>>> below. now at last we have the hope for the future
>>>> and for our childern. we want our land we want
>>>> our houses!
>>>>
>>>> uhuru africa! amandla!
>>>>
>>>> (anfortunatly it is in afrikans and not only in english
>>>> as it must have been.)
>>>>
>>>> justus for africa
>>>
>>>
>>> Landless Brother
>>>
>>> You were originally permitted to occupy your land under permission from a
>>> form of liege that is known in certain parts as AmaKhosi or Inkosi. Your
>>> forefathers never owned it themselves. The Inkosi were displaced by the
>>> colonialists and their re-establishment following the demise of colonialism
>>> is currently being phased out by the Social Democratic (some say just plain
>>> socialist) government.
>>>
>>> The economics of food production for a population of over 40 million rule
>>> out the possibility of communal production for self consumption. Large scale
>>> commercial farming is required in order to produce the food that is required
>>> for the majority of South Africans to comfortably enjoy the freedoms that
>>> were won for them at such a great cost. The quality of traditional
>>> lifestyles that remain amongst people like the AmaNchunu (SP?) is being
>>> eroded by people who feed them political nonsense that comes from beyond
>>> their frame of reference. They have always been hard working people who
>>> deserve to see change in the quality of their lifestyle but not its
>>> essential character. They no longer store grain as they have been told that
>>> it is the governments undertaking to provide this through donations from
>>> people who owe them some sort of debt.
>>>
>>> The houses that you are currently being provided are of a similar size to
>>> those that the people occupied during pre-colonial times. They were adequate
>>> then as they were out in the wide open spaces. The acres of boxes that you
>>> are now readily accepting as homes for free represent an undersupply as you
>>> should have something much larger in order to meet your needs in a modern
>>> society. They are merely houses and not homes, and they represent a
>>> developing social problem as existing neighbourhood and familiar structures
>>> are ignored and over ruled in the need to "roll out" supply. The government
>>> does not have the resources to provide you with a house that is sized
>>> according to modern requirements, something significantly larger than the
>>> pre colonial version that you propose as a model for restitution. If you are
>>> to achieve the quality of life that your liberating fathers intended for you
>>> there will have to be some sort of toil and input on your behalf and there
>>> are not enough white men for the government to dispossess in order to
>>> furnish your expectations for a free ride.
>>> According to current government policy, the land that you may be given will
>>> be subject to rates and taxes and this will mean that you effectively do not
>>> own it and if you fall behind in payments the result will be dispossession.
>>> You could opt for some sort of campaign of resistance and refuse to pay
>>> saying that it is the whites who must pay. There are not enough of them to
>>> carry you. This is a function of the demography that allows you to enjoy
>>> majority rule
>>>
>>> Get in tune with the 21st century my man, There are plenty of people in
>>> Zimbabwe who are chanting "uhuru africa! amandla!" and are trying to live
>>> on tree bark to survive. The government has not been able to meet everyone's
>>> expectations and so only those close to the ruling clique are catered for.
>>> The brothers there are unable to even think about enjoying a nice beer after
>>> work as they cost over Z$ 650.00 which is more than the officially mandated
>>> minimum monthly salary. They are available to wealthy tourists only. Their
>>> money is no longer flowing into the economy as they are being chased away
>>> because they are regarded as targets for redistribution and if they are not
>>> exploited by strange financial coercion such as entry taxes or carbon taxes
>>> they are hit by self justified empowerment and redistribution operators who
>>> rob them and / or kill them.
>>>
>>> So what is the use of being given land if you are unable to grow anything on
>>> it, and you cannot raise a family on it, and you cannot make a home on it,
>>> and you are responsible to continually pay for the use of it in the face of
>>> a lack of employment and ..............
>>>
>>> It is clear that a more responsible method of land acquisition is required,
>>> something that is more practical than the dreams set out in your messages.
>>>
>>>
>> My word, I must be getting ill.
>
> Bodie - what a real breakthrough this is for you to realise that you are
> ill. All of my words have not been in vain, some have hit home.
>
>> You post actually made sense and echo's most of what has already been
> said,
>
> So I suppose that you are going to start harping on about plagiarism again
> then
>
>
>> and no doubt will continue to be said, about the land issue in Africa.
>> It is a fact that the politically/economically naive will be the first to
>> shout for land and it stands to reason they will also be the first ones in
>> the queue with their grubby paws outstretched for food aid.
>
> This is not true at all. The degree of naivety and economic activity does
> not mitigate against the fact that they did have the land swiped from them
> in the first place and thay should have their concerns addressed. The issue
> is that they must come to the party in the modern world.
>
> "they will also be the first ones in the queue with their grubby paws
> outstretched for food aid." - please retract and revisit that statement as I
> do not believe any sane and sensible South African in the 21st Century could
> still think like that. Bodie the other stuff in the other threads has been a
> lot of fun but I really cannot bring myself to believe that you actually
> think like this in the serious world.
>
Die boek het in 1992 verskyn. Nie te lank daarna nie het 'n soort
parodie/satire daarop verskyn, geskryf vanuit die man se oogpunt. Ek het die
boek gelees en interessant, hoewel soms ietwat smaakloos en dikwels baie
eksplisiet gevind. Maar nou ek om die dood nie die titel of die skrywer
onthou nie. Ek dink die titel het 'n man se naam in gehad, en die skrywer
het 'n skuilnaam gebruik. As iemand weet waarvan ek praat - kan jy dalk
asseblief die titel en skrywer noem? Die hoofkarakter se naam was Mot, en ek
het 'n gedagte die titel het ook dalk "Mot" in gehad.
Dis net een van daardie goed wat jy probeer onthou maar toetentaal net nie
kan oproep nie.
Dankie!
Kwarantyn
Die hele storie was blykbaar geborg deur Coke.
Blykbaar was die paartie gebeeldsend op TV3 oor die naweek - ek het dit per
ongeluk gemis.
Ek het nie 'n probleem met partytjies nie.
Ek het ook nie 'n probleem met wat 'n borg wil borg nie.
Die vraag is net hoekom so 'n klomp verdienstelike hulporganisasies amper
op 'n daaglikse daaglikse basis moet toemaak, tot nadeel van die gemeenskap
waar hul hulp verleen, omdat hulle nie 'n borg kan kry nie.
Annette
Kry Saterdag toe Cross Stitch 4 - en by dit is daar 'n beertjie wat mens kan
uitwerk en in 'n raampie sit. Al die materiaal word verskaf, behalwe 'n
sker.
Dis 'n aaneending, so dit behoort sommer gou te gaan dog ek.
Dog.
Eerstens is die kleure so na aan mekaar dat ek nie mooi die verskil kan sien
tussen cream, wit en light pebble nie - ook nie tussen lilac se verskillende
skakerings en mauve se skakerings nie.
So gaan ek maar konfoes-konfoes aan - en die ou beertjie het nou ligte spots
waar skudu's moet wees en so aan. Die ergste is nou dat ek agterkom dat
hulle vir my in 2 kleure te min gare verskaf het.
Watdehel - daar bestaan mos so 'n ding soos artistieke vryheid;))
Annette
Deur Herman Gilliomee (sp?)
Dis 'n dik boek wat R300 kos, maar wat kan hy nou eintlik sê wat ons nie al
klaar weet nie? Die resensie in Rapport was ook nie juis vreeslik
rooskleurig nie, en nou is hy met 'n briefwisseling in Rapport besig met die
resensent - wat my maar bly maak ek het R300 gespaar.
Annette
.....die fet dat die polisie nou moet terug staan vir misdagigers en die dat
hulle nie vir die misdadiger te hard in die vangwa kan smyt nie....almal
moet so versigtig werk want die kak aanvanger se menseregte blyk belangriker
as die van die slagoffer. 'n Polisieman moet eers wag voor die kaffer tien
skote geskiet het of hy moet eers 'n skoot in die bors vat voor hy sy
pistool kan gryp en terug skiet...skoon klomp kak.....fok die misdadiger op
soos dit hom toekom....nou wil hulle nog vir die manne in blou pepper spray
gee om te spyt.....maar kaffir se kind sit met 'n AK 47 geweer....en as die
polisieman net die kaffir met daai spray spyt en daai kaffir is nou nog
boonop vol asma dan kak ons manne in blou weer voor die menseregte
kommisie....Skoon Kak
En daar word ek toe gisteraand verras - hierdie tweede groepie sing toe
almal goed, en die twee wat dit gaan maak is die gelukkiges.
Ek wonder net hoeveel sê die arme kinders het in die keuse wat hulle wil
sing - want verlede week het iemand iets gesing wat hy erken hy nog nooit
gehoor het nie, en hierdie week weer het van hulle liedjies gekies wat nie
hul stem heeltemal pas nie.
Sekerlik tog, as my toekoms daarvan afhang, sal ek iets sing wat ek goed ken
en wat ek weet my stem heeltemal sal pas.
Hoe op aarde kan iemand iets kies om te sing wat hy/sy weet nie heeltyd in
dieselfde toonaard gesing kan word nie.
Barry Ronge se beskrywing gister van Idols in Sunday Times was skreeusnaaks.
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