Dit sal my beter laat voel as ek dit hier kan noem:
Ebony and Ivory - M Jackson en P McCartney
Wichita Lineman - Glen Campbell
Skarumba - mooi blonde meisie
Jy is my liefling - Min Shaw
En dan enige van die Janet Jackson-agtige toonlose, herhalende liedjies wat
ek nie van mekaar kan onderskei nie, dus gelys as een lied.
(tijd) - Premier Guy Verhofstadt en de Zuid-Afrikaanse president, Thabo
Mbeki, zijn vast van plan de politieke en militaire samenwerking te
versterken. Gisterenavond is ter afsluiting van het tweedaagse bezoek
van Mbeki een interventieverklaring ondertekend om een gemengde
commissie op te richten. Vlaanderen wil op haar beurt de economische
relaties met Zuid-Afrika aanhalen.
Na een drukke agenda te hebben afgewerkt, met een opvallend lang
onderhoud bij koning Albert II, bood premier Guy Verhofstadt de
Zuid-Afrikaanse president, Thabo Mbeki, gisteravond een officieel diner
aan op het Egmontpaleis. Daar ondertekenden de federale minister van
Buitenlandse Zaken, Karel De Gucht (VLD), en zijn Zuid-Afrikaanse
collega, Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, een intentieverklaring om een gemengde
commissie op ministerieel niveau op te richten. In de gezamenlijke
verklaring staat dat België en Zuid-Afrika gezamenlijke standpunten
willen uitwerken over 'global governance', defensie, veiligheidszaken
en ook in het Congo-dossier en heel de regio van de Grote Meren. Er zal
worden onderzocht of een trilaterale samenwerking tussen Zuid-Afrika,
België en Congo in elkaar kan worden gebokst.
De intentie om een gemengde commissie op te richten past in het
voornemen om voortaan op regelmatige en gestructureerde basis politiek
en militair te overleggen. Dat overleg zou niet alleen gaan over
Centraal-Afrika, maar ook over multilaterale en wereldwijde
aangelegenheden. Zo hebben Zuid-Afrika en België wederzijds interesse
in een zitje in de VN-Veiligheidsraad.
Ook de Vlaamse regering liet in een onderhoud met president Mbeki
verstaan de samenwerking voort te willen zetten en te versterken. Ging
het tot dusver uitsluitend over ontwikkelingssamenwerking, dan is het
de bedoeling dat Vlaanderen ook meer economisch gaat samenwerken.
Vlaanderen en Zuid-Afrika hebben daarom twee intentieverklaringen
ondertekend, met name over een samenwerking in de wereld van de KMO's
en in de diamantsector. Mbeki hoopt op Vlaamse steun voor de
Zuid-Afrikaanse informele economie.
Op 24 november komt de Zuid-Afrikaanse minister van Buitenlandse Zaken,
Dlamini Zuma, terug naar ons land, om met de Vlaamse minister van
Buitenlandse Zaken, Geert Bourgeois (N-VA), de krijtlijnen uit te
tekenen voor de samenwerking. Het is de bedoeling de samenwerking meer
toe te spitsen op een beperkt aantal sectoren. Het budget zou rond 5
miljoen euro per jaar blijven draaien. Het wordt volgende week ook
uitkijken of Vlaanderen, samen met Zuid-Afrika, zich wil engageren in
het Congo-dossier, wat tot dusver niet het geval is.
Ek kom nou net uit 'n vergadering waar die een man ten aanskoue van die hele
tafel gesit en snot eet het. Niemand het eintlik iets daaroor gesê of gedoen
nie...
Hy't nie alleen snot geëet nie, maar ook in sy hare gekrap en, wat ookal hy
daar gevind het, ook in sy mond gedruk.
Dis vir geen span lekker om te verloor nie, maar om darem só te verloor dat
jy na 'n gemiddelde spannetjie lyk, dis erg. Wat die lyding natuurlik veel
erger maak is dat die promosiemanne die vleis begin verkoop het nog voor die
bees geslag was en hierdie sommer die 'Grand Slam-toer' genoem het. Nou's
dit die Grênd Boggerop-toer!! Toe gaan Jake White ook nog en sê vir die
Ierse media dat hy net plek sou vind vir 3 Iere in sy Bokspan! En hulle
looi die Bokke! Die Iere se partytjie na die wedstryd was seker een groot
gelag gewees.....sowat van naam krater maak het ons lanklaas beleef.
Plus natuurlik die feit dat die Bokke soos paloekas gespeel het. Ja,
die skeidsregter het 'n fout gemaak met die toekenning van daardie drie,
maar het John Smith enigsins as kaptein geprotesteer? Die voorspelers het
nie as 'n eenheid saamgespeel nie en het in die agterlyn rongehang en is ons
terug in stampkar-rugby..................selfs 'die wêreld se beste senters'
soos Ferdi hulle noem, Barry en De Villiers, het geen deurdringingsvermoë
nie, maar hulle maak soos 'n bobbejaan met 'n karkoer wat hy van sy pêl
gesteel het......druk die bal onder die blad, loer oor die skouer en daar
gaat hy - en probeer om 'n gat deur die ou voor hom te hardloop. En
Schalkie. Hy, die beste! die wonderlikste! deur die media gedoop en oral
toekennings gegee....HY kry twee geelkaarte in twee wedstryde na mekaar.
En White reken hy's eitlik onskuldig....net entoesiasties? Nou wil hulle
hom glo meer 'onsigbaar' maak sodat hy kan aangaan om buite die reëls te
speel? Dis eenvoudig verstommend!
Met Christine Potgieter het ek heelwat jare weekliks en somtyds
daagliks besigheidsbelange gedeel. Want André se spreekamer
was langs my kantoor.
Nou is Christine vermoor. En die laaste wat ek van haar man gehoor
het, het dit sleg gegaan met hom.
Vrydag het hul seun in die hof op Carletonville verskyn. Aangekla van
daarvan. Hulp van bosslapers gebruik.
Iemand het gesê dat dwelms dalk 'n rol gespeel het. Daar moes tog
beplanning geweeshet, plan beraming en tyd moes betrokke gewees het.
Dat hy op 'n trip kon gewees het maak nie sin nie. Dit was egter iets
wat slegs as 'n moontlikheid geopper was.
Deze zeer interessante documentaire is op de Nederlands
Televisie geweest.
Interview met de maakster
Grt Emmy
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BBC Four: What made you want to tell the story of the
Rivonia trial?
Pascale Lamche: It really came from Nick Fraser [Storyville
Series Editor]. He was spending a lot of time working in
South Africa and said it would be interesting to make a film
about the Rivonia trial because nobody had really looked
into that story before. People knew about Nelson Mandela and
that he was incarcerated on Robben Island for 27 years but
nobody knew in-depth how and why he'd got there. Also, this
year is the 10th anniversary of democracy in South Africa so
for it to be shown now is very important. It shows what a
multicultural movement of resistance it was.
BBC Four: That was something that surprised me. I suspect
many people don't realise how many whites were involved in
the civil rights movement in South Africa.
PL: It was a total revelation to me too. I knew it had been
a multicultural movement but not that there were so many
white militants in the higher echelons of Umkhonto we Sizwe
(MK), which was the armed, military wing of the ANC. That
kind of answers the astonishing question as to why Nelson
Mandela was able to create this "rainbow nation". To make a
peaceful transition in South Africa and to share democracy
without any bloodshed was a fantastic feat - one of the
greatest historical achievements of the 20th Century.
BBC Four: It also becomes apparent in the film how this all
played into the Cold War...
PL: Ethics were put to the wind; especially as far as
Britain and America were concerned, but others too. It was
strategically critical that South Africa remained in the
'Western' camp during the 1960s, even if they were
oppressing the majority of their population. If the Soviet
Union had been successful and this domino effect happened
throughout Africa with the burgeoning independence
movements, then South Africa would be the last bastion
against communism.
BBC Four: Which is why the government was so eager to
portray the ANC as communists...
PL: Absolutely. Winnie Mandela makes the point perfectly in
the film. She says that on the whole they were not
communists. They allied themselves with anyone who felt
injustice in their country and that happened to be the white
Communist Party. But it obviously made sense for the
opposition to scream "Red Menace" and get the backing from
other Western powers, who poured in money and expertise, to
crush the black independence movement.
BBC Four: What was the extent of CIA involvement?
BBC Four: What made you want to tell the story of the
Rivonia trial?
Pascale Lamche: It really came from Nick Fraser [Storyville
Series Editor]. He was spending a lot of time working in
South Africa and said it would be interesting to make a film
about the Rivonia trial because nobody had really looked
into that story before. People knew about Nelson Mandela and
that he was incarcerated on Robben Island for 27 years but
nobody knew in-depth how and why he'd got there. Also, this
year is the 10th anniversary of democracy in South Africa so
for it to be shown now is very important. It shows what a
multicultural movement of resistance it was.
BBC Four: That was something that surprised me. I suspect
many people don't realise how many whites were involved in
the civil rights movement in South Africa.
PL: It was a total revelation to me too. I knew it had been
a multicultural movement but not that there were so many
white militants in the higher echelons of Umkhonto we Sizwe
(MK), which was the armed, military wing of the ANC. That
kind of answers the astonishing question as to why Nelson
Mandela was able to create this "rainbow nation". To make a
peaceful transition in South Africa and to share democracy
without any bloodshed was a fantastic feat - one of the
greatest historical achievements of the 20th Century.
BBC Four: It also becomes apparent in the film how this all
played into the Cold War...
PL: Ethics were put to the wind; especially as far as
Britain and America were concerned, but others too. It was
strategically critical that South Africa remained in the
'Western' camp during the 1960s, even if they were
oppressing the majority of their population. If the Soviet
Union had been successful and this domino effect happened
throughout Africa with the burgeoning independence
movements, then South Africa would be the last bastion
against communism.
BBC Four: Which is why the government was so eager to
portray the ANC as communists...
PL: Absolutely. Winnie Mandela makes the point perfectly in
the film. She says that on the whole they were not
communists. They allied themselves with anyone who felt
injustice in their country and that happened to be the white
Communist Party. But it obviously made sense for the
opposition to scream "Red Menace" and get the backing from
other Western powers, who poured in money and expertise, to
crush the black independence movement.
BBC Four: What was the extent of CIA involvement?
PL: That is what's astonishing. Gerard Ludi, the former
secret service intelligence officer who infiltrated the
Communist Party at that time, explains quite clearly in the
film that it was the CIA that handed over Mandela to the
South African special branch and secret services. What he
says is a complete scoop and hasn't been told before,
although some people have worked out that there was CIA
involvement. When the 90-day detention law came into effect
they arrested an Indian guy in Durban who was actually a CIA
operative. A huge row erupted with the CIA over this guy.
The South African police refused to release him and in the
end the CIA had to make a bargain: they traded their
information, which led to Nelson Mandela's arrest, for their
CIA operative. It really is astonishing.
BBC Four: Did you sense that the interviewees felt they were
shedding light on a piece of 'lost history'?
PL: Totally. The original interviews are very long and are
going into South Africa's national archive because they are
exceptionally important pieces of history. Many of the
interviewees, the Jewish militants especially, are just
fantastic storytellers. Not only do they have a capacity to
analyse, but many of them spent more than 20 years in jail,
so they had plenty of time to pore over the details of all
this. By the time we had finished the interview with Dennis
Goldberg I could have made a very bold statement to Nick
Fraser and said, this film needs to be just one man talking
against black and that's it - he was so powerfully
evocative. I knew I wouldn't do that but I think Dennis
Goldberg could probably tour through South Africa just
giving this extraordinary monologue.
What this story also shows is that they were a bunch of
bungling intellectuals. They didn't really know how to do
this. The fact that they kept hundreds of incriminating
documents is ludicrous. I'm sure that no other underground
guerrilla movement, in basically a police state, kept
documents that could send them away for eternity. But they
did because they realised they were making history and
needed to keep all this stuff.
BBC Four: Did you get any impression that anyone in the
movement thought it was an odd alliance?
PL: Not at all. It was a very symbiotic, close relationship.
Someone like Rusty Bernstein, who was a communist, was the
most rigorously aware that security lapses were being made
and the one who tried most significantly to stop it. In many
ways, if Liliesleaf Farm had remained just a headquarters
for the Communist Party, and not a place where top ANC
leaders hid, it probably would have maintained more
stringent security procedures.
The Communist Party had been banned since 1950 so by this
stage they'd already had 14 years as an underground
movement. The ANC was only banned in 1960 so it very young
in the underground movement. It was a coming together in
extreme circumstances of one group of people who had been
underground for a long time and another who hadn't. The
comradeship and sense of combined struggle is very strong in
all of them. It's not divided along any racial lines at all
and I think that's what created the roots of South Africa
today.
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