nice to see you, but I very much fear that you are mistaken on a few points:
R & BW wrote in message ...
> Thanks Nomad. I was a bit apprehensive as I know firsthand that many South
> Africans who left the homeland are regarded as traitors - this is also the
> message I get from having observed the correspondents in this newsgroup.
> I'm glad to see that there are open-minded South Africans in South Africa.
Actually, Nomad writes from a New Zealand ISP - apparently.
So, no!
Nomad's response does not count as evidence that "there are open-minded
South Africans in South Africa".
> My whole family still live there in various parts of the country so I watch
> with interest all developments there - hence my participation in this Ng.
Ta, thanks! I was wondering about that!
You swoop down on the news group - quite grandly, I might add, complaining
about the quality of the conversation to be found here. And tell us that it
reminds you of why you left.
(You left because of the quality of the conversation, did you?)
You recieve two responses - both from South African exiles, one in Canada,
and one in New Zealand (apparently).
Gloudina's response, admittedly, was just a tad on the rude side.
But then, Gloudina is not know for her manners (not for the accuracy of her
information, nor for her logic, but that's another matter. After all, she
left the country thirty years ago).
The funny thing about your participation in this NG on account of your
interest in "developments there", is this:
If dear Oom Hans (from Namibia, mind you) were to perform one of his traffic
analyses, I suspect that he would find that less than 20% of the
contributions in this newsgroup currently originate in SA.
So the conversation that you so disdainfully entered is really a cozy little
tete-a-tete between exiles, for the most part. And, of course, the odd
Dutchman now and then (bless their woodenclad socks).
> It is
> beautiful here, just like East London in SA where I lived and taught at
> high schools for a long time before job instability and safety issues
> convinced us to leave. The weather is hot and humid, the sun shines most of
> the time and outdoor living is a must. No annoying Aussie flies here like
> in the rest of the country - we have barbies (braais) and potjiekos as often
> as we like and the people here love our way of doing things. There is so
> much to see and do here and you do it in safety - although you get your
> criminals everywhere, you can go for long walks and drive around feeling
> safe and free. We buy Boerewors ( the best I've tasted even in SA) at the
> local butchery and Mrs Balls chutney in the supermarket - we can even get
> koeksisters home-delivered as Fred runs his own Springbok Foods business
> here. Life is good here
Ah! On of our other regular contributors from ooooostraaailya reports that
he recently saw a bumper sticker in a 'strine city proclaiming "Hierdie is
ons Volkstaat".
Had quite a giggle at that, I did.
For just then, one of our regular contributors from Canada (such prolific
writers, the bunch in North America - must be the cold that makes their
keyboards such a good alternative to living) opined that "die idee van 'n
Volkstaat" rests squarely on "fear and exlusiveness".
Bit of a hoot, don't you think?
Especially since, writing from "ons Volkstaat" as you do, your contributions
seem to be pervaded by fear, exclusiveness, and most of all, arrogance.
> and we enjoy our new-found freedom (from
> narrow-mindedness mainly) very much. I can honestly say we are better
> people for having come here.
In what way have you become a better person?
I mean. In view of the above, your repartee seems singularly narrow-mided to
me, my love.
> Now I suppose I'll have to duck in case someone out there wants to throw mud
> at me.
> Royleen
Nah....don't bother to duck, ducks. Looking at your footprints where you
entered the NG, they already seem quite muddy to me.
And not much mud will be coming from SA (we're in the middle of a drought
here). Snow would be melting in Canada and Europe, about now. Must be that.
Ta-ta!
(And dilate that constricted little arrogant mind just a wee bit, will you?
The mixture of Afrikaner "koppigheid" and the insular English predeliction
for parochial bigotry has never made for mental vistas of great scope.)
Oor die hofuitspraak in die saak oor die dood van Angelina, het Beeld
geskryf:
***************************
Dit gebeur te dikwels nog in Suid-Afrika dat die openbare persepsie oor 'n
saak hoegenaamd nie rym met die feite van daardie selfde saak nie.
Vandeesweek is die tragedie wat dit kan veroorsaak weer bewys.
Familielede, vriende en belangstellendes van die Zwane-gesin kon nie vrede
vind met die bevinding van die hof dat mnr. Nico Steyn geen bedoeling gehad
het om baba Angelina dood te maak nie en daarom 'n opgeskorte vonnis gekry
het. Familielede, vriende en ondersteuners van dr. Allan Boesak kon weer nie
aanvaar dat hy wél geld gesteel en bedrog gepleeg het en daarvoor tronk toe
moet gaan nie.
In albei hierdie sake is wilde persepsies geskep en emosies as gevolg
daarvan opgejaag. En dit is gedoen lank voordat die tweesnydende swaard van
die gereg die werklike feite oopgevlek het.
'n Woordvoerder van pres. Nelson Mandela het net ná Angelina se dood gesê
die president beskou die daad "as gevoelloos en onmenslik, een wat die
swaarste straf binne ons regstelsel verdien".
Selfs net ná die uitspraak in die Zwane-verhoor eergister het die minister
van justisie, mnr. Dullah Omar, suspisie daaroor gegooi deur te sê hy gaan
'n verslag oor die saak aanvra. Hy het ook mense aangeraai om by die
regterlike dienskommissie te kla oor "uitsprake en vonnisse wat nie
regverdig is nie".
Net so het Mandela en Omar lank voordat Boesak se saak in die hof begin het
uitsprake gemaak wat daarop dui dat hulle glo hy is onskuldig. 'n Land met
'n geskiedenis van rassekonflik soos Suid-Afrika, en waarin daar gevoelens
was dat selfs die regspleging deur 'n wit minderheid ten koste van 'n swart
meerderheid bedryf is, kan sulke uitsprake nie verwerk nie.
**********************
Ek het hierdie punt al tevore gemaak:
Luide gegil en gejil, gegrond op oningeligtheid en gemik op die skepping van
persepsies, is uiters gevaarlik vir hierdie land.
In albei hierdie sake het Mandela op sy neus gekyk, en sy optrede was nie
tot sy eer, of tot dié van die land nie.
Wanneer dit nog kom van mense soos Gloudina, wat knus en veilig met haar
persepsiemeul in die buiteland sit, en nie moet saamleef met die gevolge van
die wanpersepsies wat hulle skep en onderhou nie, moet sulke gedrag gesien
word as laakbaar in die ergste graad.
my man is 'n sjinese mandaryn
in sy flambojante jas
kom hy veroweraar binne -
bloedsteen aan sy vinger
swart romaanse
oë, danseur noble
gryp my hou my vas
vir die asemrowende
jeté en l'air
in die pas de deux
wat ons uitvoer
op die gloeiende afgaanse
tapyt van ons liefdesbed
Hoe Gaan Dit:
Ek weet nie of jy ooit jou moeder taal kan vergeet nie. Die selfde met di
Skotse hulle sal nooit die taal verloor nie of (aksent) want soos hul se dit
kom van jou moeder's melk.
Hoe lank woon jy nou in Australia, want my man het 'n oom in America (46 jaar
gelede) en meng met allerhande en het sover nog nie sy taal verloor. Dit kom
af as jy dit soo kies.
'n Kanadees besluit op 'n dag dat hy so keelvol is vir sneeu, hy gaan sy
ski's op sy kar se dak vasmaak en begin ry tot hy op 'n plek kom waar iemand
vir hom vra wat se goed het jy daar op jou kar se dak.
Maande later stop hy in Pietersburg om brandstof in te gooi en 'n ou vra vir
hom wat het jy daar op jou kar se dak. Die man was baie bly en besluit om
net daar 'n huis te koop.
Twee maande later besluit van die man se familie om te kom kyk hoe dit met
die man gaan, en begin hulle toe om die man se "spoor te volg". Toe hulle
uiteindelik in Pietersburg opdaag vind hulle die huis verlate met 'n te koop
bordjie buite die erf. Die buurman word geraadpleeg en hy sê toe vir die
mense.............Man ek weet nie waar die ou heen getrek het nie maar wat
baie einaardig was is dat hy 'n swarte op op sy kar se dak vasgemaak het.
** Ons weet mos al lankal dat die verskil tussen 'n toerus en 'n rasis slegs
twee weke is. **
> Incidentally, now that you are in Australia may I suggest that
> you turn your back on the South African club where you hang out
> so you can maintain your "Cultural Heritage"
Vertel meer hiervan?
Dit herinner my so skuinsweg aan Bees se idees oor "Eksklusiwiteit en die
Volkstaat".
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Secret Squirrel wrote:
>
> Leendert,
>
> In Australia they have a club where ex-patriat SAfricans get
> together and talk shit about life in the old SA.
>
> I was merely suggesting that Fred Else give this joint the finger
> and move forward with his transition to Australian culture.
>
> It's imperative if one wants to move on in life...
>
> He does however appear apprehensive, but perhaps he like the many
> Afrikaans speaking SAfricans that I interview as a HR
> practitioner, on a daily basis, he displays characteristics which
> detract from his suitability to many prospective employers.
>
> Squirrel
Ja sjym ou eenkoringtjie
Jy bly maar pateties rondhang op die groepie so al asof die OZianers jou
ook nie eintlik aanvaar nie? So al asof jy terugverlamg, hmmm? Praat jy
darem afrikaans met al die X-SA'ners wat wat jy 'unsuitable' find?
Weet jou Oz'ie employers van die nie Politiek Korrekte aanmerkigs wat jy
elke nou en dan op die groep kwytraak?
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