'n Arend en Leeu is beide roofdiere wat verskeur.
In die leeukuil het die Here egter hul bekke gelsuit.
Dis nie 1939, of 1984 maar heelwat later, die anglo-
boere-oorlog is ook verby...
-- Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant
message conversation.
Jean says:
More Pommie
Etienne Marais says:
wat sê jy daar ?
Jean says:
Niks nie soutie Hoe gaan dit nog?
Etienne Marais says:
wie noem jy soutie ? Dit gaan goed !
Etienne Marais says:
self ?
Jean says:
Oraait, ek is net besig om weer siek te raak...Griep
Jean says:
Etienne Marais says:
Jean says:
Is jy besig?
Jean says:
Dis more Saterdag.!!!!
Etienne Marais says:
Ja !!!
Jean says:
Wat gaan jy maak?
Etienne Marais says:
raai net wat
Jean says:
?
Etienne Marais says:
ek gaan dalk werk
Etienne Marais says:
en more aand uiteet
Jean says:
Saam met?
Etienne Marais says:
persoon met die naam Jaco Pieterse, van die kerk...
Jean says:
Uh-uh.
Etienne Marais says:
?
Etienne Marais says:
wat gaan jy maak ?
Jean says:
O, niks regtig nie. Ek dog jy gaan saam met 'n girl eet. Is die ou ook
van SA?
Etienne Marais says:
ja, daar gaan girls ook wees
Jean says:
Oh-oh
Etienne Marais says:
haha, nie uiteet nie, nog 'n kersete...
Jean says:
OK. ONs gaan bietjie na Gatecrasher toe - ook 'n klub in Brittanje.
Bietjie Rave
Etienne Marais says:
:0
Jean says:
:0 ???
Etienne Marais says:
iemand het eergisteraand ingebreek by die plek waar ek bly, baie
moeilik geslaap, donker nag jy weet, maar hulle het niks gesteel nie,
net die landlord en my baie ontstel
Etienne Marais says:
(gaping-mouth face)
Jean says:
Nee ek joke net. Bummer! Niks gesteel nie
Etienne Marais says:
hoe bedoel jy niks gesteel nie
Jean says:
Eintlik ? maar toe lees ek jou (gaping-mouth face) en moes eers uitbars
van die lag.
Etienne Marais says:
ok, gesig to gesig is baie beter
Etienne Marais says:
1-2-1 even
Etienne Marais says:
wel, niks is weg nie, maar hulle was in die huis
Jean says:
Most defnitely, kom jy X-Mas terug/
Etienne Marais says:
Etienne Marais says:
ek wil graag my familie sien
Jean says:
So?
Etienne Marais says:
ek dink nie ek sal kan nie
Jean says:
$?
Etienne Marais says:
het geld aan vriend geleen wat deur vrymesselaars probeer betrek word,
deels is, nou kan hy eers nie terugbetaal nie, $! chinge, exactly, maar
net 'n materiel manifestasie van iets anders.....
Jean says:
Hoekom leen jy geld? Aan 'n potensiele vrymesselaar
Etienne Marais says:
goei vraag
Etienne Marais says:
maar, sodoen leen hy nie van hulle nie, hy het 'n mercedes by hulle
gekoop, toe vat hulle dit terug die dag na die demone
Etienne Marais says:
uit my uit gedryf is
Etienne Marais says:
maar
Etienne Marais says:
hulle het nog steeds krag oor sy besigheid (youth hostel vir SAners)
Etienne Marais says:
en maak dit moeilik, ie banksake ens. ens.
Jean says:
daar is mos nie regtig iets soos die vrymesselaars nie is daar? Dis 'n
urban myth
Etienne Marais says:
ja, dis hoekom hulle hier in Covent Garden 'n 'PRAGTIGE' gebou het met
die son in grootste detail en pentagramme op die dak (en maan/sterre op
vloer), alles uitermatiglik kunstig en gebou uit 'hoogste kwaliteit'
boustof en messelware, en hoekom hulle 'n lidmaatskap van meer as 400
000 hier het... hulle draai alles onderstebo jy sien, nogal soos die
duiwel se werk, maar die duiwel is reeds oorwin..
Jean says:
Sounds very screwy to me.
Etienne Marais says:
jy het geen idee nie, maar mens bring dit oor jouself, kyk sommer so
reguit op in die son in jy weet, van my voorouers het dit gedoen toe
dog ek ek sal ook probeer, dan kan ek te minste verstaan wat dit behels
en oordeelkundig besluit, maar die besluit was myne en dit was die
verkeerde een...
Etienne Marais says:
toemaar, ek het nie katte geslag of enige iets boos van die aard nie,
nogtans
Etienne Marais says:
is 'n klein sonde 'n groot sonde want dis 'n rebellie teen God
Jean says:
Stem saam. Vryheid is 'n wonderlike scary ding nie waar nie?
Etienne Marais says:
scary as dit jou weg van God laat draai, soos dit het, daarom verseel
ek myself eerder met God se genade
Jean says:
Verseel teen wat?
Jean says:
Die wereld?
Etienne Marais says:
verseel teen my wilsvermoe om weer van God te kan wegdraai
Etienne Marais says:
en breek met die wereld
Jean says:
Dink jy nie mens moet deel van die wereld wees nie, mens kan nie
jouself afsluit nie.
Etienne Marais says:
presies, daarom die gemeenskap van die heiliges, The team works, maar
nie die een waaraan mense hier rond werk nie, ie krieket in SA of
hierdie neo milletere bewind hier in Engeland nie (http://www.royal-
navy.mod.uk/)
Etienne Marais says:
as jy wil, kyk bietjie die film Purely Belter (Brits, sal DALK daar
uitkom eendag) dan kyk jy wat depressie beteken as jy buite die span
staan...
Etienne Marais says:
nogal soos Daniel in die leekuil gevoel hierso, maar darem is die leeus
se bekke gesluit
Jean says:
Ek ervaar SA se gemeenskappe glad nie so nie. Is dit omdat dit anders
hier (of daar) is?
Etienne Marais says:
Dis anders hier, teengesteld in baie maniere as SA (ons is easygoing en
familiar, hulle is diskreter en familiarity dui op onvermoe om
verwerping te kan vat, ons help mekaar, hulle is self reliant, ons is
'dieslefde' oor werksberoepe en groeperings, hulle is klassisties (uit
ons oe ten minste), ons is meer rassisties maar new-age multikultureel
hulle is tot die indivdue meer Brits as nasie ens ens
Etienne Marais says:
in SA is ons ook teamplayers, spangees baie belangrik, vra Hansie, kan
jy MOONTLIK die Span verraai ten will van jou eie wilsbesluite (wat
dalk beter mag wees), kan jy die span drop, wie drop jy eintlik ????
Jean says:
Ek sien. Ek probeer om nie daaraan te dink nie en so ver moontlik op my
eie aan te gaan. Meestal het mense respek vir jou privaatheid.
Etienne Marais says:
jy is dan gelukkig, dit mag dalk net verander, ding jy die SA kan so
aanhou, wat gaan dit omdraai en HOE, weet jy hoe lyk London, dis 'n
gemors, en dit raak moeiliker want die wet oorheers die wil van die
nasie, en die nasie oorheers die Wil van God
Etienne Marais says:
bowenal, hoe en wanneer sal jy en jou pa 'n goeie verhouding he (en jy
en Mardi, kleef julle mekaar aan, of die een meer die ander) ???
Etienne Marais says:
dis die Wil van God, dat die balans en verhouding herstel word
Jean says:
Ek hou daarvan om te dink dat dit redelik gebalanseerd is. Daar is my
altyd up en downs, maar dit is die lewe...
Etienne Marais says:
dit is die lewe, maar nie Die Lewe nie
Jean says:
Etienne, ek gaan bietjie werk, sal later praat. 'K? Cheerios.
Etienne Marais says:
cheers, lekker werk, en hard werk (net tog nie so vinnig soos hierdie
mense hierso nie !)... oor en uit : ET
Jean says:
Kinship List - Ansela (N.N.) - 24 Nov 2000
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Relative Relationship
(N.N.),-17768 Spouse of sixth great grandson
BOTHA, Catharina Elizabeth-6208 Spouse of fourth great grandson
BOTHA, Catharina Elizabeth-6208 Fourth great granddaughter
BOTHA, Hester Carolina-21077 Third great granddaughter
BOTHA, Pieter Johannes-6207 Spouse of third great granddaughter
BOTHA, Rudolph Philippus-21210 Spouse of second great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Andries Johannes-17815 Fifth great grandson
BRUMMER, Anna Francina-17691 Eighth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Anna Jacoba Helena-17803 Fourth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Anna Jacoba Margaretha-17817 Fifth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Anna Magdalena-17822 Sixth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Berindina Johanna-17750 Sixth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Catharina Elizabeth-6634 Third great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Catharina Johanna Fredrika-17806 Fourth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Catherina Louisa-17755 Sixth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Cornelia Johanna-17772 Sixth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Cornelia Johanna-17816 Fifth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Diana Alida-17792 Fourth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Diederick Arnoldus Gerhardus-6632 Third great grandson
BRUMMER, Diederik Johannes Gerhardus-17804 Fourth great grandson
BRUMMER, Diederik Johannes Gerhardus-17814 Fifth great grandson
BRUMMER, Elizabeth Catharina-17802 Fourth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Elsie Aletta Henrietta-17823 Sixth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Emanuel Theodorus-17748 Seventh great grandson
BRUMMER, Helena Margaretha-6633 Third great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Hendrik Pieter-17753 Seventh great grandson
BRUMMER, Hendrina Johanna-17751 Seventh great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Hester Elizabeth-17749 Seventh great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Hester-Johanna Jacoba Petronella-17764 Eighth great
granddaughter
BRUMMER, Isabella Petronella-17767 Eighth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Jacobus Johannes-17773 Seventh great grandson
BRUMMER, Jacobus Johannes-17791 Fourth great grandson
BRUMMER, Jacobus Johannes-17812 Fifth great grandson
BRUMMER, Jacobus Johannes-17824 Sixth great grandson
BRUMMER, Jacobus Lewies-17762 Seventh great grandson
BRUMMER, Johann Wichard-6625 Spouse of second great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Johanna Catharina Sophia-17805 Fourth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Johanna Samuela-17771 Sixth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Johannes Gerhardus-6631 Third great grandson
BRUMMER, Johannes Gerhardus-17760 Seventh great grandson
BRUMMER, Johannes Gerhardus-17763 Eighth great grandson
BRUMMER, Johannes Gerhardus-17810 Fifth great grandson
BRUMMER, Johannes Gerhardus-17821 Sixth great grandson
BRUMMER, Johannes Gerhardus (Hans)-17784 Third great grandson
BRUMMER, Johannes Jacobus Wellman-17808 Fourth great grandson
BRUMMER, Martha Maria-17827 Fourth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Michiel Johan Wieghard-6635 Third great grandson
BRUMMER, Nicolaas Johannes Everhardus-17811 Fifth great grandson
BRUMMER, Petrus Benjamin-17752 Seventh great grandson
BRUMMER, Rhoda-17769 Sixth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Samuel Johannes Albertus-17813 Fifth great grandson
BRUMMER, Stephanus Johannes-17757 Seventh great grandson
BRUMMER, Susanna Christina-17807 Fourth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Violet-17759 Seventh great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Violet-17761 Eighth great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Wilhelmina Johanna-17756 Seventh great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Zacharia Margaretha-6619 Third great granddaughter
BRUMMER, Zagaria Margaretha-17790 Fourth great granddaughter
CAMPHER, Agnita-9205 Daughter
CAMPHER, Lourens-9214 Spouse
DU PLESSIS, Elsie Francina-18165 Spouse of fifth great grandson
DU PLESSIS, Geertruy Margaretha Sophia-6189 Spouse of second great
grandson
DU PLESSIS, Gesina S.F.W.-18166 Spouse of fifth great grandson
ENGELBRECHT, Aletta Geertruyda-21046 Fifth great granddaughter
ENGELBRECHT, Petrus Rasmus-21082 Spouse of fourth great granddaughter
ERASMUS, Catharina Elizabeth-21079 Fourth great granddaughter
ERASMUS, Johannes Jacobus-21078 Spouse of third great granddaughter
EYKHOFF, Maria Magdalena-9185 Spouse of grandson
GROBLER, Petronella Ingenazina-6201 Spouse of fifth great grandson
HAVENGA, Christiaan Adriaan-21045 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
HAVENGA, Nicolaas Christina-21047 Sixth great grandson
JOUBERT, Susanna Sophia Elizabeth-6205 Spouse of sixth great grandson
KLOPPERS, Aletta Margaretha Francina-19270 Spouse of sixth great
grandson
KRUGER, Anna Elsie Aletta-17820 Spouse of fifth great grandson
KRUGER, Casper Jan Hendrik-9157 Fourth great grandson
KRUGER, Casper Johannes Hendrik-18162 Fourth great grandson
KRUGER, Gerrit Johannes-19222 Fourth great grandson
KRUGER, Jannetje-Levina Catharina Francina-19218 Fifth great
granddaughter
KRUGER, Stephanus Johannes-9159 Spouse of third great granddaughter
KRUGER, Stephanus Johannes Paulus-9156 Fifth great grandson
LOUBSER, Catharina Louisa-17809 Spouse of fourth great grandson
LOUW, Anna Jacoba Margaretha-17789 Spouse of third great grandson
NIEMAND, Christella-17689 Ninth great granddaughter
NIEMAND, Pieter Jacobus-17690 Ninth great grandson
NIEMAND, Pieter Jacobus-17692 Spouse of eighth great granddaughter
OBERHOLSTER, Abraham-21103 Spouse of great granddaughter
OBERHOLSTER, Elisabeth-21174 Second great granddaughter
OBERHOLSTER, Elsje-21190 Second great granddaughter
OBERHOLSTER, Johannes-21102 Second great grandson
OBERHOLTZER, Cecilia Jacomina-21191 Second great granddaughter
OBERHOLTZER, Jacomina-21209 Second great granddaughter
OBERHOLTZER, Johanna Sophia-21208 Second great granddaughter
PELSER, Elizabeth Catharina Johanna-19221 Spouse of fourth great
grandson
POTGIETER, Frederik Jacobus-19223 Sixth great grandson
POTGIETER, Hermanus Philippus-19217 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
PREVOT, Maria-21076 Spouse of grandson
PUTTER, Anna Catharina-17694 Great granddaughter
PUTTER, Anna Christina-6206 Third great granddaughter
PUTTER, Anna Elizabeth-17701 Second great granddaughter
PUTTER, Arnoldus-17697 Great grandson
PUTTER, Catharina Elisabeth-17775 Second great granddaughter
PUTTER, Diederik Johannes-6190 Second great grandson
PUTTER, Gerrit-9172 Spouse of great granddaughter
PUTTER, Gerrit-9172 Spouse of great granddaughter
PUTTER, Gerrit-9172 Great grandson
PUTTER, Jan Lodewyk-5955 Spouse of granddaughter
PUTTER, Johanna Alida-17698 Great granddaughter
PUTTER, Johannes Diederyk-6191 Spouse of great granddaughter
PUTTER, Johannes Diederyk-6191 Great grandson
PUTTER, Johannes Gerhardus-17700 Second great grandson
PUTTER, Lodewyk Arnoldus-17779 Second great grandson
PUTTER, Margaretha Sophia-6193 Third great granddaughter
PUTTER, Maria-17695 Great granddaughter
PUTTER, Maria Jacomina-17777 Second great granddaughter
PUTTER, Maria Magdalena-9164 Second great granddaughter
PUTTER, Maria Magdalena-17702 Second great granddaughter
PUTTER, Martha Christina-17780 Second great granddaughter
PUTTER, Sophia Jacoba-17778 Second great granddaughter
PUTTER, Zacharia-17693 Great granddaughter
PUTTER, Zacharia Margaretha-6618 Second great granddaughter
ROBBERTSE, Daniel Jacobus-6194 Spouse of third great granddaughter
ROBBERTSE, Joseph Jacobus-6197 Fourth great grandson
ROBBERTSE, Joseph Jacobus-6197 Spouse of fourth great granddaughter
ROBBERTSE, Paul Magiel-6204 Sixth great grandson
ROBBERTSE, Pieter Johannes-6200 Fifth great grandson
SMITH, Christina Isabella-17766 Spouse of seventh great grandson
STEENKAMP, Casper Jan Hendrik-9163 Spouse of second great granddaughter
STEENKAMP, Sophia Margaretha-9160 Third great granddaughter
STEYN, Elsie Francina-9158 Spouse of fourth great grandson
STEYN, Elsie Francina-18163 Spouse of fourth great grandson
VAN DER SWAAN, Anna-6617 Granddaughter
VAN DER SWAAN, Gerrit-6340 Spouse of daughter
VAN WIJK, Agnita Elisabeth-17801 Great granddaughter
VAN WIJK, Anna-21104 Great granddaughter
VAN WIJK, Anna Cecilia-17835 Great granddaughter
VAN WIJK, Arie Willem-21207 Great grandson
VAN WIJK, Catharina Elizabeth-6192 Great granddaughter
VAN WIJK, Catharina Elizabeth-6192 Spouse of great grandson
VAN WIJK, Christina Magdalena-17836 Great granddaughter
VAN WIJK, Christoffel Hendrik-17838 Great grandson
VAN WIJK, Elsie-21206 Great granddaughter
VAN WIJK, Gerrit Mathijs-17819 Great grandson
VAN WIJK, Jacoba-17829 Great granddaughter
VAN WIJK, Jacomina-17828 Great granddaughter
VAN WIJK, Maria Elizabeth-21182 Great granddaughter
VAN WIJK, Maria Margaretha-17800 Great granddaughter
VAN WIJK, Martha Elisabeth-17837 Great granddaughter
VAN WIJK, Sophia-17699 Great granddaughter
VAN WIJK, Sophia-17699 Spouse of great grandson
VAN WYK, Arie-9040 Spouse of daughter
VAN WYK, Gerrit-9184 Grandson
VAN WYK, Sophia-9173 Great granddaughter
VAN WYK, Sophia-9173 Spouse of great grandson
"jgj" skryf in boodskap news:8%mT5.1702$GW5.12362@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Mel wrote in message
> Ek gebruik self FP2000 om die basiese uitleg vir my bladsye te doen, die
> "WYSIWYG" help baie.Daarna laai ek die site in Visual Interdev 6.0 en doen
> die res van die ontwerp daar.
Lucky you... I must lay my hands on a copy of that... but I will have to
"borrow" it, because I have no surplus funds for sware... :-(
> Die groot probleem kom in sodra jy bladsye ontwerp wat van 'style sheets'
> gebruik maak(soos joune) en wat Javascipt gebruik. Die DOM(Document Object
> Model) verskil tussen IE en NC. Dus, bladsye wat in FP ontwerp word maak
> slegs voorsiening vir IE se DOM, en funksioneer glad nie in NC nie.
What a bitch!! Yeah... I guess I am just lazy then... I just wish there was
1 standard... but I think also that the IE standard nets 95-98% of my
visitors... I think Netscape is dead... it was the innovator ...
> Dit is nie dat ek die web-tuiste afmaak as nikswerd nie, ek is seker dat dit
> groot aantrek kry, jy het rede om trots te wees.(so tussen al die kak
praat)
Yep.. thanks... u should go browse the forums... there are some crazy ppl
there... some of them actually LIKE me... that confirms their insanity,
right? :-)
> Ek het self in Kaapstad gebly, 'n ruk in Tamboerskloof en toe in Houtbaai.
> Ek is baie lief vir die plek en verlang soms na die goeie dae daar!
They are still waiting for you... just make the decision... :-)
Ciao sweetie :-)
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Kinship List - Eva GORINGHAICONA - 24 Nov 2000
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Relative Relationship
BOSMAN, Susanna-1639 Spouse of great grandson
BRUMMER, Willem Hermanus-15694 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
BUITENDAG, Elizabeth Catharina Jacoba-8597 Fifth great granddaughter
BUITENDAG, Frederik Willem-8608 Fourth great grandson
BUITENDAG, Gerrit-8635 Spouse of third great granddaughter
BUYS, Stephanus-8843 Spouse of second great granddaughter
BUYS, Susanna Lasya-8727 Third great granddaughter
COETSEE, Joseph Adriaan-8621 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
COETZEE, (N.N.)-6497 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
COETZEE, Johanna Susanna Lasya-8601 Sixth great granddaughter
COETZER, Frederik Willem-6011 Sixth great grandson
COETZER, Hendrina Cornelia-6012 Seventh great granddaughter
COETZER, Hendrina Cornelia-6012 Spouse of ninth great grandson
COETZER, Jacobus Erasmus-8596 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
DE KLERK, Barend Jacobus-8592 Spouse of seventh great granddaughter
DE KLERK, Frederik Willem-3842 Eighth great grandson
DE KLERK, Jacobus Johannes-14488 Eighth great grandson
DE KLERK, Johannes-14479 Spouse of seventh great granddaughter
DE KLERK, Johannes-14479 Ninth great grandson
DE KLERK, Maria Jacoba-11125 Ninth great granddaughter
DE KLERK, Susanna-3839 Ninth great granddaughter
DE KLERK, W. J.-5138 Eighth great grandson
DE KLERK, Willem Johannes-3840 Eighth great grandson
DE VRIES, Hendrik Abraham-9089 Spouse of granddaughter
DE VRIES, Izak-1640 Great grandson
DE VRIES, Maria Elisabeth-8844 Second great granddaughter
DU PLESSIS, Elsie Francina-18165 Spouse of sixth great grandson
DU PLESSIS, Gesina S.F.W.-18166 Spouse of sixth great grandson
DU PLESSIS, Marthinus-6461 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
DU PLESSIS, Susanna-6499 Spouse of fifth great grandson
DU PLOOY, Jeanetta Wilhelmina Elizabeth-8609 Spouse of fourth great
grandson
DU TOIT, Elizabeth Gertruida Johanna-6471 Spouse of sixth great grandson
FOUCHE, Anna Cecilia-6010 Spouse of sixth great grandson
GROBLER, Jacobus Johannes-8600 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
GROBLER, Maria Jacoba-8593 Seventh great granddaughter
HEINZ, Martha-6476 Spouse of sixth great grandson
KLOPPERS, Aletta Margaretha Francina-19270 Spouse of fifth great
grandson
KOOPMAN, Anna Maria-8893 Spouse of grandson
KRUGER, Casper Jan Hendrik-9157 Fifth great grandson
KRUGER, Casper Johannes Hendrik-18162 Fifth great grandson
KRUGER, Francina Hendrina Barendina-8622 Fifth great granddaughter
KRUGER, Gerrit-8726 Spouse of third great granddaughter
KRUGER, Gerrit Johannes-19222 Spouse of third great granddaughter
KRUGER, Gerrit Johannes-19222 Fifth great grandson
KRUGER, Hendrik Bernardus-8657 Fourth great grandson
KRUGER, Jannetje-Levina Catharina Francina-19218 Fourth great
granddaughter
KRUGER, Stephanus Johannes-9159 Fourth great grandson
KRUGER, Stephanus Johannes Paulus-9156 Sixth great grandson
LABUSCHAGNE, Anna Susanna Jacoba-14489 Spouse of eighth great grandson
LOW, Danie Liebenberg-6474 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
MURGATROYD, Shirley Ina-6484 Spouse of seventh great grandson
NAGEL, Johannes Theodorus-6488 Spouse of seventh great granddaughter
PELSER, Abraham Liebrecht-21236 Second great grandson
PELSER, Abraham Petrus-6475 Sixth great grandson
PELSER, Abraham Petrus-21232 Spouse of great granddaughter
PELSER, Abraham Petrus Cornelius-6454 Fourth great grandson
PELSER, Abrama Janetta-6501 Fifth great granddaughter
PELSER, Alida Barendina-6472 Sixth great granddaughter
PELSER, Alida Barendina-6473 Sixth great granddaughter
PELSER, Alida Barendina-6494 Fifth great granddaughter
PELSER, Anna-6502 Fourth great granddaughter
PELSER, Anna Maria Jacoba-21234 Second great granddaughter
PELSER, Barbara Jacomina-21240 Second great granddaughter
PELSER, Carel Johannes-21238 Second great grandson
PELSER, Casper Jan Hendrik-6453 Fourth great grandson
PELSER, Catharina Maria-6466 Sixth great granddaughter
PELSER, Elizabeth Catharina-21237 Second great granddaughter
PELSER, Elizabeth Catharina Johanna-19221 Third great granddaughter
PELSER, Elizabeth Catharina Johanna-19221 Spouse of fifth great grandson
PELSER, Engela-6503 Fourth great granddaughter
PELSER, Hendrik-6504 Fourth great grandson
PELSER, Hester Hendrina Katrina-6479 Sixth great granddaughter
PELSER, Jaatjie Sophia-6458 Fifth great granddaughter
PELSER, Jan Harm-6470 Sixth great grandson
PELSER, Janetta Hendrina Jacoba-6500 Fifth great granddaughter
PELSER, Jannetjie-6506 Fourth great granddaughter
PELSER, Levina-6505 Fourth great granddaughter
PELSER, Martha-6452 Fourth great granddaughter
PELSER, Martha Jacoba Maria-6496 Fifth great granddaughter
PELSER, Petrus Cornelius-21239 Second great grandson
PELSER, Petrus Jacobus-6498 Fifth great grandson
PELSER, Susanna Lesya-6460 Fifth great granddaughter
PELSER, Wilhelmina Lydia-6480 Sixth great granddaughter
PELSER, Willem Jacobus-6448 Third great grandson
PELSER, Willem Jacobus-6449 Second great grandson
PELSER, Willem Jacobus-6451 Fourth great grandson
PELSER, Willem Jacobus-6462 Fifth great grandson
PELTZER, Abraham-8760 Spouse of great granddaughter
PELTZER, Barbara Jacomina-8674 Second great granddaughter
POTGIETER, Frederik Jacobus-19223 Fifth great grandson
POTGIETER, Hermanus Philippus-19217 Spouse of fourth great granddaughter
REYNOLDS, Alice-6487 Seventh great granddaughter
REYNOLDS, Arthur James-6483 Seventh great grandson
REYNOLDS, Eileen-6489 Seventh great granddaughter
REYNOLDS, Sidney-6482 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
REYNOLDS, Sidney-6493 Seventh great grandson
REYNOLDS, William-6485 Seventh great grandson
SAUER, Ferdinand Nel-6481 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
SNYMAN, Meiltje Johanna Gertruida-11127 Spouse of tenth great grandson
STEENKAMP, Hendrik-6459 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
STEENKAMP, Johanna-6450 Spouse of second great grandson
STEENKAMP, Magdalena Johanna-6463 Spouse of fifth great grandson
STEENKAMP, Sophia Margaretha-9160 Spouse of fourth great grandson
STEIN, Hendrik Hermanus-6495 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
STEYN, Alida Barendina-6478 Spouse of fifth great grandson
STEYN, Alida Barendina-18276 Spouse of fifth great grandson
STEYN, Elsie Francina-9158 Spouse of fifth great grandson
STEYN, Elsie Francina-18163 Spouse of fifth great grandson
STRYDOM, Johannes Gerhardus-3829 Spouse of ninth great granddaughter
THOMAS, Arthur Leonard-6490 Spouse of seventh great granddaughter
THOMAS, Melany-6491 Eighth great granddaughter
THOMAS, Natalie-6492 Eighth great granddaughter
VAN ASWEGAN, Anna Catharina Jacomina-6447 Spouse of third great grandson
VAN DEN BERG, Catharina-6477 Spouse of sixth great grandson
VAN DER WALT, Alida Barendina-6455 Spouse of fourth great grandson
VAN DER WALT, Hendrik Bernardus-6467 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
VAN DER WALT, Johannes Jacob-11124 Spouse of ninth great granddaughter
VAN DER WALT, Tjaart-11126 Tenth great grandson
VAN MEERHOFF, Petronella-9037 Daughter
VAN MEERHOFF, Pieter-9108 Spouse
VAN ROOY, Aletta Johanna-3841 Spouse of eighth great grandson
VENTER, Johanna Francina-8658 Spouse of fourth great grandson
VILJOEN, Elisbeth Catharina Johanna-8636 Third great granddaughter
VILJOEN, Johannes Hercules-8673 Spouse of second great granddaughter
WOOLDRIDGE, Marjory Clifford-6486 Spouse of seventh great grandson
ZAAIMAN, Barend-21246 Great grandson
ZAAIMAN, Bartholomeus-21243 Great grandson
ZAAIMAN, Catharina-21244 Great granddaughter
ZAAIMAN, Christiaan-21248 Great grandson
ZAAIMAN, Cornelis-21247 Great grandson
ZAAIMAN, Daniel-9036 Spouse of daughter
ZAAIMAN, Daniel-21242 Great grandson
ZAAIMAN, Engela-8761 Great granddaughter
ZAAIMAN, Engela Catharina-21233 Great granddaughter
ZAAIMAN, Francina-21245 Great granddaughter
ZAAIMAN, Maria-9090 Granddaughter
ZAAIMAN, Petronella-21241 Great granddaughter
ZAAIMAN, Pieter-8892 Grandson
ZAAYMAN, Magdalena-21251 Granddaughter
As 'n kort voorbeel hier volg 'n verwantskap lys van 'n 'nieblanke'
vermenging is Suid Africa (en die lys is ver van volledig):
Kinship List - Angela VAN BENGALE - 24 Nov 2000
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Relative Relationship
ALBANY, Anthony Demetris-10557 Spouse of seventh great granddaughter
ALBERTYN, Hester Johanna Elizabeth-10512 Spouse of sixth great grandson
ALDERS, Jan-1986 Spouse of granddaughter
B0ESSES, Egbertha-5453 Spouse of great grandson
BADENHORST,-22385 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
BADENHORST, (N.N.)-10697 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
BARNARD, Aletta Johanna-5528 Spouse of third great grandson
BASSON, Albertus-10589 Great grandson
BASSON, Anna Catharina-8702 Great granddaughter
BASSON, Anna Maria-10600 Third great granddaughter
BASSON, Arnoldus-10719 Grandson
BASSON, Arnoldus Johannes-8820 Grandson
BASSON, Arnoldus Willemsz-5137 Spouse
BASSON, Barbara-10598 Second great granddaughter
BASSON, Catharina Wilhelmina-10588 Great granddaughter
BASSON, Catharina Wilhelmina-10614 Second great granddaughter
BASSON, Christiaan Coenraad-10601 Third great grandson
BASSON, Coenraad Hendrik-10597 Second great grandson
BASSON, Elisabeth Wilhelmina-10574 Third great granddaughter
BASSON, Elsie-10721 Daughter
BASSON, Gerrit-5620 Son
BASSON, Helena-5673 Great granddaughter
BASSON, Helena Johanna-10602 Third great granddaughter
BASSON, Helena Sophia-10611 Second great granddaughter
BASSON, Hendrik Albert-10613 Second great grandson
BASSON, Johannes-5601 Son
BASSON, Johannes-10586 Great grandson
BASSON, Johannes-10610 Second great grandson
BASSON, Johannes Hendrik Albertus-10529 Third great grandson
BASSON, Johannes Hendrik Albertus-10531 Fourth great grandson
BASSON, Maria-10502 Daughter
BASSON, Maria-10609 Second great granddaughter
BASSON, Maria Barbara-10560 Third great granddaughter
BASSON, Martha-10608 Second great granddaughter
BASSON, Martha Catharina-10591 Spouse of great grandson
BASSON, Mathijs Michael-6348 Great grandson
BASSON, Mathys Michael-10599 Third great grandson
BASSON, Matthijs Michielse-6349 Second great grandson
BASSON, Matthys Michiel-5674 Grandson
BASSON, Michiel-10722 Son
BASSON, Pierre Corneille Faculyn-10533 Fifth great grandson
BASSON, Sophia-10587 Great granddaughter
BASSON, Sophia Catharina-10612 Second great granddaughter
BASSON, Wilhelmina Alberta-10615 Second great granddaughter
BASSON, Willem-5619 Son
BASSON, Willem-10584 Great grandson
BERGH, Adriaan-5494 Sixth great grandson
BERGH, Adriaan-5520 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Adriaan Vincent-5485 Fifth great grandson
BERGH, Andries-5439 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Anna Catharina-5448 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Anna Catharina-5449 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Anna Christina-5422 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Anna Elisabeth-5424 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Anna Geertruida-5504 Fourth great granddaughter
BERGH, Anna Oloffia-5414 Great granddaughter
BERGH, Annie Catherine-5515 Fifth great granddaughter
BERGH, Anny Irene-5516 Fifth great granddaughter
BERGH, Apollonia Africana-1985 Granddaughter
BERGH, Barend Cornelis-5469 Second great grandson
BERGH, Bertha Louisa-5514 Fifth great granddaughter
BERGH, Carolus Erlandt-2146 Grandson
BERGH, Catharina Johanna-5502 Fourth great granddaughter
BERGH, Catharina Magtelda-5523 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Catharina Mynhardina Onkruydt-5486 Fifth great granddaughter
BERGH, Catharina Petronella-5454 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Charles Mynardus-5488 Fifth great grandson
BERGH, Christina-1978 Granddaughter
BERGH, Comelia Elizabeth-5430 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Comelis Mattheus-5534 Fifth great grandson
BERGH, Cornelia Maria-5421 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Cornelia Sophia-5496 Sixth great granddaughter
BERGH, Cornelia Sophia-5501 Fifth great granddaughter
BERGH, Dorothea Francina-5408 Granddaughter
BERGH, Egberta-5461 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Egberta Marthina Magtelda-1062 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Egberta Sophia Petronella-5472 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Egbertus-5470 Second great grandson
BERGH, Egbertus-5505 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Egbertus Adriaan-5508 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Engela Appollonia-5467 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Engela Maria-5478 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Gerhardus Johannes-5442 Third great grandson
BERGH, Helena Catharina-5500 Sixth great granddaughter
BERGH, Hendrik-5497 Sixth great grandson
BERGH, Hester Helena-5432 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Jacobus Christiaan-5498 Sixth great grandson
BERGH, Jan Carel-5533 Fifth great grandson
BERGH, Johan Card-5527 Third great grandson
BERGH, Johan Olof Abraham-5433 Third great grandson
BERGH, Johanna Catharina-5428 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Johanna Jacoba-5423 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Johanna Jacoba-5431 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Johanna Magdalena-5406 Granddaughter
BERGH, Johanna Margaretha-5418 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Louisa Comnelia-5479 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Maria-1981 Granddaughter
BERGH, Maria Coenradina-5450 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Maria Magdalena-5531 Fifth great granddaughter
BERGH, Martha Magdalena-5495 Sixth great granddaughter
BERGH, Marthinus Adriaan Richard-5482 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Marthinus Adrianus-5455 Second great grandson
BERGH, Marthinus Adrianus-5459 Third great grandson
BERGH, Marthinus Smuts-5509 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Martinus-5192 Grandson
BERGH, Michiel-5518 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Olof-1976 Spouse of daughter
BERGH, Olof Abraham-5415 Great grandson
BERGH, Olof Abraham-5440 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Olof Egbertus-5476 Third great grandson
BERGH, Olof Marthin-5458 Third great grandson
BERGH, Olof Marthinus-1063 Second great grandson
BERGH, Olof Marthinus-5480 Third great grandson
BERGH, Olof Marthinus-5487 Fifth great grandson
BERGH, Olof Marthinus-5489 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Olof Marthinus-5491 Fifth great grandson
BERGH, Olof Marthinus-5493 Sixth great grandson
BERGH, Olof Marthinus-5522 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Olof Marthinus-5529 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Olof Marthinus-5538 Sixth great grandson
BERGH, Olof Martin-5452 Great grandson
BERGH, Petrus-1984 Grandson
BERGH, Pieter-5477 Third great grandson
BERGH, Pieter Arend Jan-5463 Third great grandson
BERGH, Pieter Christiaan-5466 Second great grandson
BERGH, Sara Christina-5451 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Schalk Hendrik-5499 Sixth great grandson
BERGH, Simon Petrus-5409 Grandson
BERGH, Simon Petrus-5426 Second great grandson
BERGH, Simon Petrus-5438 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Simon Petrus-5447 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Sophia-5420 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Sophia Aletta-5419 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Sophia Petria-5413 Great granddaughter
BERGH, Sophia Petronella-5462 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Sophia Susanna Elisabeth-5464 Second great granddaughter
BERGH, Sophia Wilhelmina Constantia-5474 Third great granddaughter
BERGH, Vincent-5465 Second great grandson
BERGH, Willem Ferdinand-5506 Third great grandson
BERGH, Willem Ferdinand-5517 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, Willem Ferdinand-5521 Fourth great grandson
BERGH, William Ferdinand-5513 Fifth great grandson
BERGSTEDT, Marthias-1980 Spouse of granddaughter
BERRANGE, Jan Frederik-13719 Spouse of fourth great granddaughter
BESTER, Jacobus-10650 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
BEZUIDENHOUT, Katharina-10682 Spouse of sixth great grandson
BLANKENBERG, Maria Magdalena-13745 Spouse of great grandson
BOSMAN, Anna Alida Magdalena-7274 Spouse of fifth great grandson
BOSMAN, Sara Susanna-10708 Spouse of fourth great grandson
BOTHA, Maria Johanna-8650 Spouse of second great grandson
BOTTGER, Magdalena-13758 Spouse of second great grandson
BRINK, Sophia-13761 Spouse of second great grandson
BRUYNS, Jacoba Theodora-5443 Spouse of third great grandson
CADOGAN, Thomas Charles-5475 Spouse of third great granddaughter
CARNSPECK, Daniel-5407 Spouse of granddaughter
CILLIERS,-22384 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
CILLIERS, (N.N.)-10696 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
CLEMENTS, Helena-10712 Spouse of son
COETZEE,-22387 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
COETZEE, (N.N.)-10699 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
COETZEE, Anna Catharina-5427 Spouse of second great grandson
COETZER, Hendrina Cornelia-6012 Spouse of seventh great grandson
CRONJE, Andries Petrus Johannes-10534 Spouse of great granddaughter
DANNHAUSER, Maria Catharina-5539 Spouse of sixth great grandson
DE KLERK, Barend Jacobus-8592 Fifth great grandson
DE KLERK, Frederik Willem-3842 Eighth great grandson
DE KLERK, Jacobus Johannes-14488 Sixth great grandson
DE KLERK, Johannes-14479 Seventh great grandson
DE KLERK, Johannes Cornelis-8598 Spouse of fourth great granddaughter
DE KLERK, Maria Jacoba-11125 Seventh great granddaughter
DE KLERK, Susanna-3839 Seventh great granddaughter
DE KLERK, W. J.-5138 Eighth great grandson
DE KLERK, Willem Johannes-3840 Sixth great grandson
DE KONING, (N.N.)-3377 Spouse
DE KONING, Anna-1977 Daughter
DE VILLIERS, Elizabeth Helena-21509 Third great granddaughter
DE VILLIERS, Pierre-10637 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
DE VILLIERS, Pieter-5672 Spouse of great granddaughter
DE VILLIERS, Pieter-21507 Second great grandson
DE WAAL, Catharina Cornelia-5456 Spouse of second great grandson
DE WET, Anna Helena-13689 Great granddaughter
DE WET, Anna Helena-13690 Great granddaughter
DE WET, Anna Maria-10553 Seventh great granddaughter
DE WET, Antoinetta Alida-13711 Fourth great granddaughter
DE WET, Barry Terance-10550 Eighth great grandson
DE WET, Catharina Aletta Reiniera-13732 Fifth great granddaughter
DE WET, Catharina Christina-13747 Second great granddaughter
DE WET, Catharina Jacoba-13751 Second great granddaughter
DE WET, Catharina Reiniera-13710 Fourth great granddaughter
DE WET, Christiaan-10552 Seventh great grandson
DE WET, Christiaan Michael-13718 Spouse of fourth great granddaughter
DE WET, Christina Helena-13687 Second great granddaughter
DE WET, Christina Jacoba-13748 Second great granddaughter
DE WET, Clemens Matthiessen-13704 Fourth great grandson
DE WET, Clemens Matthiessen-13724 Fifth great grandson
DE WET, Dawn Linda-10548 Eighth great granddaughter
DE WET, Elisabeth Jacoba-13703 Fourth great granddaughter
DE WET, Elisabeth Maria-13713 Fourth great granddaughter
DE WET, Elizabeth Maria-13721 Fifth great granddaughter
DE WET, Frederik Russouw-13725 Fifth great grandson
DE WET, Frederik Wilhelm-13753 Second great grandson
DE WET, Frederik Willem-13736 Third great grandson
DE WET, Geertruida Anna-13740 Fifth great granddaughter
DE WET, Helena Geertruida-13742 Fifth great granddaughter
DE WET, Hendrik Johannes-13697 Third great grandson
DE WET, Hendrik Justinus-13702 Fourth great grandson
DE WET, Hendrik Justinus-13755 Second great grandson
DE WET, Jacoba Christina-13691 Great granddaughter
DE WET, Jacobus-1979 Spouse of granddaughter
DE WET, Jacobus Johannes-13746 Second great grandson
DE WET, Jacobus Matthias-13688 Second great grandson
DE WET, Jacobus Petrus-13699 Third great grandson
DE WET, Jacobus Petrus-13707 Fourth great grandson
DE WET, Jacobus Petrus-13720 Fifth great grandson
DE WET, Jacobus Petrus-13729 Fifth great grandson
DE WET, Jacobus Petrus-13741 Fifth great grandson
DE WET, Johanna Christina-10554 Seventh great granddaughter
DE WET, Johanna Christina-13743 Fifth great granddaughter
DE WET, Johanna Hillegonda-13752 Second great granddaughter
DE WET, Johanna Susanna-13712 Fourth great granddaughter
DE WET, Johannes-13693 Third great grandson
DE WET, Johannes Andreas-13708 Fourth great grandson
DE WET, Johannes Carolus-13705 Fourth great grandson
DE WET, Johannes Carolus-13733 Fifth great grandson
DE WET, Johannes Carolus-13744 Great grandson
DE WET, Johannes Christiaan-10546 Seventh great grandson
DE WET, Johannes Matthias-13749 Second great grandson
DE WET, Margaretha Catharina Jacoba-13709 Fourth great granddaughter
DE WET, Margaretha Elisabeth-13730 Fifth great granddaughter
DE WET, Margaretha Elizabeth-13727 Fifth great granddaughter
DE WET, Margaretha Jacoba-13726 Fourth great granddaughter
DE WET, Maria Barbara Van Amstel-13722 Fifth great granddaughter
DE WET, Maria Barbara Van Amstel-13728 Fifth great granddaughter
DE WET, Maria Barbara Van Amstel-13739 Fifth great granddaughter
DE WET, Maria Clemintina-13701 Fourth great granddaughter
DE WET, Maria Elisabeth-13738 Fifth great granddaughter
DE WET, Maria Magdalena-13754 Second great granddaughter
DE WET, Maria Margaretha-13695 Fourth great granddaughter
DE WET, Olaf-13685 Great grandson
DE WET, Olaf Godlieb-13750 Second great grandson
DE WET, Olof Godlieb-13706 Fourth great grandson
DE WET, Petrus Jacobus-13734 Third great grandson
DE WET, Petrus Michiel Tesselaar-13723 Fifth great grandson
DE WET, Pierre Jacques-10551 Seventh great grandson
DE WET, Pieter Jacobus-10544 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
DE WET, Robin Corrie-10549 Eighth great grandson
DE WET, Roelof Abraham-13731 Fifth great grandson
DIPPENAAR, Maria Magdalena-10603 Spouse of third great grandson
DIXON, Esme Joan-10555 Spouse of seventh great grandson
DREYER, Engela-10515 Spouse of seventh great grandson
DU TOIT, Andreas Adriaan-10621 Spouse of second great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Anna Christina-10581 Fourth great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Anna Susanna Abrahamina-10566 Fourth great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Daniel Johannes-10575 Fourth great grandson
DU TOIT, Daniel Mathys-10564 Fourth great grandson
DU TOIT, Elisabeth Christina Francina-10563 Fourth great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Elisabeth Christina Francina-10576 Fourth great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Helena Johanna-10567 Fourth great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Helena Johanna Abrahamina-10579 Fourth great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Hester Elizabeth-21508 Spouse of second great grandson
DU TOIT, Hilletje Anna Geertruida-10572 Fourth great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Hilletje Geertruida-10571 Fourth great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Johanna Catharina Wilhelmina-10573 Fourth great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Johannes Hilbertus-10570 Fourth great grandson
DU TOIT, Johannes Petrus-10558 Spouse of third great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Johannes Petrus-10569 Fourth great grandson
DU TOIT, Maria Barbara-10578 Fourth great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Maria Helena-10565 Fourth great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Matthys Michielse-10577 Fourth great grandson
DU TOIT, Matthys Michilse-10568 Fourth great grandson
DU TOIT, Stephanus Francois-10559 Spouse of third great granddaughter
DU TOIT, Susanna Hendrika-10580 Fourth great granddaughter
ERASMUS, Hendrik-10679 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
FALK, Otto Wilhelm-5468 Spouse of second great granddaughter
FEIJT, Maria-6347 Spouse of great grandson
FRANCIS, Henry John-5503 Spouse of fourth great granddaughter
FREISLICH, Gerhardus Johannes-5429 Spouse of third great granddaughter
GOUS, Anna-Maria Fredrika Faculyn-10532 Spouse of fourth great grandson
GRAND, George Francois-5473 Spouse of third great granddaughter
GROBLER, Maria Jacoba-8593 Spouse of fifth great grandson
GROENEWALD, Johanna Margaretha-5416 Spouse of great grandson
HAASBROEK, Elizabeth Katharina-10680 Spouse of sixth great grandson
HAASBROEK, Petronella-10653 Spouse of sixth great grandson
HATTINGH, Anna Catharina-8618 Third great granddaughter
HATTINGH, Christiaan-8701 Spouse of great granddaughter
HATTINGH, Johannes Hendrik-8649 Second great grandson
HERMAN, Christiaan Lourens-13714 Spouse of fourth great granddaughter
HICKMAN, Edward Hoste-10678 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
HOFMEIJER, Magdalena Elisabeth-13737 Spouse of third great grandson
HORAK, Adriana Dorothea-13694 Spouse of third great grandson
JANZEN, Adrina Eligonda-10623 Spouse of second great grandson
KLEYN, Anna Magdalena-10640 Spouse of fifth great grandson
KLEYN, Jacoba-10642 Spouse of fifth great grandson
KOOPMAN, Albert-1982 Spouse of granddaughter
KOOPMANS, Johan Christoffel-13696 Spouse of fourth great granddaughter
KORSTEN, Petronella Johanna Christina-7273 Spouse of fourth great
grandson
KOTZE, Aletta Margaretha Johanna-10606 Spouse of third great grandson
LABUSCHAGNE, Anna Susanna Jacoba-14489 Spouse of sixth great grandson
LATEGAN, Johannes-10662 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
LE FABRE, Elisabeth Jacoba-13762 Spouse of second great grandson
LE FABRE, Jacobus Alexander-13757 Spouse of second great granddaughter
LE SUEUR, Jacobus Johannes-13760 Spouse of second great granddaughter
LE SUEUR, Johanna Sara Catharina-13735 Spouse of third great grandson
LE SUEUR, Petrus Lodewicus-13759 Spouse of second great granddaughter
LEIJ, Nicolas-13692 Spouse of great granddaughter
LEY, Catharina-5189 Spouse of grandson
LIEBENBERG, Elisabeth Christina-6350 Spouse of second great grandson
LINDENBERG, Sophia Maria Wilhelmina-5481 Spouse of third great grandson
LINGEVELDER, Geertruida Johanna-13698 Spouse of third great grandson
LOMBARD, Elsje-10530 Spouse of third great grandson
LOUBSER, Johannes Albertus-10596 Spouse of great granddaughter
LOUBSER, Nicolaas-10593 Spouse of great granddaughter
LOUW, Adriaan Hermanus-14720 Spouse of third great granddaughter
LOUW, Andries Jacobus-10620 Spouse of second great granddaughter
LOUW, Catharina-10616 Spouse of second great grandson
LOUW, Johannes-10618 Spouse of second great granddaughter
M0NTEATH, Rosina Anna Dorothea-5483 Spouse of fourth great grandson
MAASDORP, Christiaan-10503 Spouse of daughter
MALHERBE,-22386 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
MALHERBE, (N.N.)-10698 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
MALHERBE, Anna Johanna-10645 Spouse of fifth great grandson
MARAIS, Catharina Mynhardina Onkruydt-5484 Spouse of fourth great
grandson
MATHIAS, Carol-10556 Spouse of seventh great grandson
MIJBURGH, Martha-5675 Spouse of grandson
MILLAR, Israel-10664 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
MOSTERT, Cornelia-5417 Spouse of great grandson
MYNHARDT, Andries-10651 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
NIEUWOUDT, Margaretha-10535 Spouse of third great grandson
OLIVIER, Catharina-8821 Spouse of grandson
OOSTHUIZEN,-22388 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
OOSTHUIZEN, (N.N.)-10700 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
PEARS, Louisa Harriet-5510 Spouse of fourth great grandson
PIENAAR, Abel Jacobus-10706 Fourth great grandson
PIENAAR, Adene-10675 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Alida-10691 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Anna Magdalena-10666 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Benjamin Daniel-10690 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Benjamin Daniel Gerhardus-10635 Fifth great grandson
PIENAAR, Daughter-10632 Fifth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Daughter-10655 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Dewettina Delarina-10674 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Elizabeth-10693 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Elizabeth Maria Christina-10702 Fourth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Elizabeth Maria Jacoba-10634 Fifth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Emmerentia Alberta-10658 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Enzak-10695 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Evodea-10657 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Ferdinandies-10676 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Francina Maria Petronella-10633 Fifth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Francois Daniel-10687 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Geertruida Woutrina-10692 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Gerhard Gabriel-10672 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Helena Elizabeth Francina-10705 Fourth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Helena Johanna-10656 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Helena Johanna Sovia-10629 Fifth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Helena Sophia-10694 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Jacobus Johannes-7271 Fifth great grandson
PIENAAR, Jacobus Johannes-10686 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Johan Christiaan-10626 Fifth great grandson
PIENAAR, Johan Daniel-10689 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Johan Gerhard Gabriel-10652 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Johanna Adolphina Engela-10685 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Johanna Maria-10648 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Johannes Jacobus-10669 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Johannes Petrus Kleyn-10670 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Judith Catharina Elizabeth-10654 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Korsten Frederik-10661 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Laura-10660 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Louis Jacobus-10704 Fourth great grandson
PIENAAR, Maria Magdalena-10688 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Maria Magdalena Jacomina-10630 Fifth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Mathys Magielse-10627 Fifth great grandson
PIENAAR, Matilda-10668 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Matthys Michiel-10703 Fourth great grandson
PIENAAR, Petronella-10684 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Petronella Johanna C.-10545 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Petronella Johanna C.-10667 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Petronella Johanna Christina-10646 Sixth great granddaughter
PIENAAR, Pierre De Villier-10673 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Pieter Francois Gideon-10631 Fifth great grandson
PIENAAR, Pieter Francois Gideon-22302 Spouse of third great
granddaughter
PIENAAR, Pieter Jacobus Johannes-7272 Fourth great grandson
PIENAAR, Pieter Jacobus Johannes-10683 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Pieter Pierre Francois-10647 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Rocco Daniel-10671 Sixth great grandson
PIENAAR, Son-10659 Sixth great grandson
PIETERSE, Anna Catharina Fillippina-10641 Spouse of fifth great grandson
PRETORIUS, J. J.-10707 Spouse of fourth great grandson
REDLINGHUIS, Emmerentia Alberta Elizabeth-10643 Spouse of fifth great
grandson
REEDERS, Hendrik-5532 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
ROCHER, Pierre-10677 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
ROSSOUW, Daniel Johannes-10536 Third great grandson
ROSSOUW, Gerrit-10538 Fourth great grandson
ROSSOUW, Gideon-10537 Fourth great grandson
ROSSOUW, Gideon-10617 Spouse of second great granddaughter
ROSSOUW, Margaretha Johanna-10521 Third great granddaughter
ROSSOUW, Martha-10539 Fourth great granddaughter
ROUSSEAU, Adolf Siegfried-10638 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
ROUSSEAU, Johanna Adolphina Engela-10636 Spouse of fifth great grandson
ROUX, Pieter-1055 Spouse of third great granddaughter
RUST, Anna Hilletje-10604 Spouse of third great grandson
RUST, Hilletje Geertruida-10619 Spouse of second great grandson
SCHOEMAN, Daniel Wilhelm-8617 Spouse of third great granddaughter
SCHOEMAN, Martha Margaretha-8599 Fourth great granddaughter
SEGERS, Maria-13686 Spouse of great grandson
SHACKELL, Cornelia Mary Anne Wilhelmina-5441 Spouse of fourth great
grandson
SMIT, (N.N.)-10701 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
SMUTS, Anna Catharina-5507 Spouse of third great grandson
SMUTS, Johanna Elizabeth-5530 Spouse of fourth great grandson
SMUTS, Margaretha Jacoba-13763 Spouse of second great grandson
SMUTS, Maria Cornelia Emerentia-5535 Spouse of fifth great grandson
SNYMAN, Meiltje Johanna Gertruida-11127 Spouse of eighth great grandson
STADLER, Geertruida Anna-13715 Spouse of fourth great grandson
STRYDOM, Johannes Gerhardus-3829 Spouse of seventh great granddaughter
TAUKEN, Sophia-5410 Spouse of grandson
TESSELAAR, Marthina Maria-13717 Spouse of fourth great grandson
TREURNICHT, Andries Petrus-10513 Sixth great grandson
TREURNICHT, Andries Petrus-10514 Seventh great grandson
TREURNICHT, Willem George-10516 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
UNGERER, Samuel Friedrich-5425 Spouse of second great granddaughter
VAN AMSTEL, Maria Barbara-13700 Spouse of third great grandson
VAN BALEN, Anna Maria-10681 Spouse of sixth great grandson
VAN DER HEYDEN, Maria Josina-13756 Spouse of second great grandson
VAN DER HOVEN, Arnoldus-10663 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
VAN DER MERWE, Charl Johannes-10520 Spouse of third great granddaughter
VAN DER MERWE, Johannes-10644 Spouse of fifth great granddaughter
VAN DER MERWE, Martha Elizabeth Jacoba-10519 Fourth great granddaughter
VAN DER POEL, Cornelia Sophia-5490 Spouse of fourth great grandson
VAN DER POLL, C. J.-5435 Spouse of third great grandson
VAN DER WALT, Johannes Jacob-11124 Spouse of seventh great granddaughter
VAN DER WALT, Tjaart-11126 Eighth great grandson
VAN DER WATT, Helena-10665 Spouse of sixth great grandson
VAN DER WESTHUIZEN, Margaretha Catharina-5519 Spouse of fourth great
grandson
VAN HOUTEN, Ann Kathren-10547 Spouse of seventh great grandson
VAN RHEEDE, Adriana Sophia-5471 Spouse of second great grandson
VAN ROOY, Aletta Johanna-3841 Spouse of sixth great grandson
VAN SITTERT, C. C.-5436 Spouse of third great grandson
VAN STADEN, Theunis-10649 Spouse of sixth great granddaughter
VAN WYK, Geertruida Jacoba-5492 Spouse of fifth great grandson
VAN ZYL, Josias-10540 Spouse of fourth great granddaughter
VISSER, Johannes-1983 Spouse of granddaughter
VISSER, Zacharia Jansz-2482 Spouse of son
VLOK, Anna Christina-10605 Spouse of third great grandson
VLOTMAN, M. J.-5434 Spouse of third great grandson
VOGES, J. E.-5437 Spouse of third great grandson
VON LINDENBAUM, Johann-5524 Spouse of second great granddaughter
VON WILLIGH, Arend Simeon-10518 Spouse of fourth great granddaughter
VON WILLIGH, Margaretha Johanna-10517 Fifth great granddaughter
WALTERS, Catharina Helena-10592 Spouse of great grandson
WALTERS, Samuel-10595 Spouse of great granddaughter
WALTERS, Sibella Maria-10622 Spouse of second great grandson
WIESER, Johanna Carolina-1064 Spouse of second great grandson
WITSE, Hendrik-10594 Spouse of great granddaughter
WYCKERT, Anna Geertruyda-5460 Spouse of third great grandson
ZEEDERBERG, Catharina Aletta-13716 Spouse of fourth great grandson
Baie mense volg hulle families na. Baie kan dit baie ver navolg. Sommer
tot by die 'Englse oorlog' (sic). A paar bietjie verder en tot sover as
die Groot Trek. Meeste doen net deur die manlike geslag na te volg en
ignoreer die vroulike geslag.
Die groot trek begin seker 170 jaar na Jan van Riebeeck aan wal gestap
het. Baie wat op die nuusgroep pos kan nie eers onthou wat gedurende het
in die tweede wereld oorlog nie en, dit was maar 50 jaar gelede. Baie
was toe nog nie eers gebore nie. So, wat het in die eerste 150 jaar van
die Blanke se bestaan in SA gebeur? Baie. Ek is amper geneig om te sê
moerse baie. Entlik 'n kakhuis vol. Maar, ek mag nie vloek nie so ek
gaan sê 3 keer meer as wat gebeur het vanaf die tweede werelds oorlog.
Vir die genealoog word hulle tydperke opgedeel in generasies og geslagte
per 100 jaar. Hoe groot is 'n generasie? So 20-25 jaar. Party trou vroeg
(tot selfs so vroeg as 13) ander trou oud (van 30 boontoe). Party trou
een keer en ander trou (tot soveel as 5 maal). Party het geen nageslag
en ander het tot 25 kinders (met meer as een vrou). Party het net
kinders binne die huwelik en ander? Party is skaam vir gebeure wat nie
deur die kerk toeskryf word nie en hou dinge stil. Ander sien dit weer
as sake wat gebeur het en niks wat hulle daaraan kan doen nie. Maar, 'n
geslag word gemeet van kind se geboorte tot wanneer hy/sy 'n kind
voortbring. Dit gebeur so elke 20 tot 25 jaar.
Vir elke geslag is twee ouers nodig (al is dit 'n proefbuis baba). So,
terugwerkend is daar 'n manlike sowel as vroulike element nodig om 'n
geslag te beskryf. Omdat die volgende geslag nou uit twee persone
bestaan (die ouers) het hulle elk twee ouers. So, hoeveel persone daar
nodig om 15 geslagte na te vors? Daar is 'n wetenskaplike formule maar
dit is maklik om te sê 32,578. Dit is nou direk voorgeslagte en neem nie
ander kinders en hulle getroudes in gedrang nie.
Is 15 geslagte nou te baie? Wel, Jan van Riebeeck stap aan wal en, soos
ek die mens ken, voor 6 April het die eerste gemeenskap tussen man en vr
ou hier gebeur. Inteendeel is van Jan se kinders hier gebore. Dit is nou
so 348 jaar gelede. As 'n geslag 20 jaar sou wees dan het ons 17,4
geslagte. Indien 'n geslag 25 jaar is het ons 13,9 geslagte. So, 15
geslagte is heelmoontlik te min. Of, dit kan reg wees as ons aanvaar dat
niemand hulle familie kan navors tot by die die eerste aankomelinge by
die kaap nie. Die meeste kan hulle families na vors tot in SA, so 12
geslagte.Selfs dan moet daar dan 4095 name van direk voorgeslagte wees.
Kom ons aanvaar dat elke familie so 6 kinders gehad het. Dan behoort jy
'n databasis te hê van niks minder as 12,288 direkte familie verband
persoone nie. En by die 15de geslag 97,548. Wat nou van die persone wat
hul van ingetrou het en die se kinders? Ek sou sê jy moet jou databasis
ten minste vermeenigvuldig met 7 om die ook in ag te neem. Wat nou nog
van elke persoon van die 'spouse' se voorsade. Om al jou familie
verbande na te vors moet jy niks minder as 5 tot 10 miljoen name op jou
databasis hê nie. Elkeen waar jy bewyse van kan lewer van waar die
inligting van bekom is. Iets wat die algemene amateur navorser nooit kan
bybring nie. Kom ons gebruik 'n syfer van een Rand wat gespandeer word
vir elke naam op die databasis dan gaan die persoon tot 10 miljoen Rand
spandeer vir die vaslegging van die data (Laat ek net sê dat elke
dokument wat van die staat verkry word, R30 kos). So, om elke persoon se
gewwarborgte inligting vas te lê op 'n databasis gaan jou ten menste
R100 per persoon kos. So, 'n halwe eier is beter as 'n leë dop. 'n Paar
name is beter as niks (al kan die inligting nie bewys word nie). Maar,
oppas vir die 'missing links'
Nou, as jy my 100 persone van jou familie stuur en bewys lewer van
suiwer Afrkaaner bloed oor 13 geslagte gaan ek vir jou lag. Dit is 'n
druppel in die emmer. Daar is nog decades van navorsing wat jy sal moet
doen.
Dit is verbasend hoe genealoë tot 'n stistand kom omdat rekerds net nie
beskikbaar is nie. Tot en met 1890 was dit nie verpligtend om geboortes,
sterftes en huwelikke by die regering aan te meld nie (dis nou vir
blankes) en nieblankes tot 1994.
Geboortes kan nagevors word deur kerk doop rekords (indien die kind
gedoop word) en, daar is geen bewys van ouerskap nodig nie. Vandag word
'n kind sommer van die hospitaal geriggestreer (hulle laat nie sommer
maklik huisgeboortes tuis toe nie en, dit is om die geboorte registers
beter te kan beheer).
Huwelikke was voorheen sommer 'n plaas makietie en die dominee het maar
'n aantekening gemaak in sy rekords. Dit word maar aanvaar as die
persone mondig is (oor 21) dat hoef niemand te weet wie hulle ouers is
nie. Solank die gemeenskap instem. Huwelikke waar een van die
huweliksmaats nie 21 is nie moet by die regering toestemming vra vir 'n
spesiale lisensie.
Steftes het tot vandag toe nog 'n probleem en dis hoekom daar twee
sterfte dokumente is. Een wat ingevul word deur 'n persoon wat
teenwoordig was met die dood en, die ander deur 'n dokter. Die een van
die dokter, gee die oorsaak van die dood aan (sonder familie verwante
inligting). Die ander vra vrae soos ouers, kinders en so voorts. Maar,
enige persoon mag die dokument in vul. Al is dit nou 'n persoon in die
straat, onbekend deur die oorledenne. Dit hoef nie deur die familie
ingevul word nie. Baie keer word daar maar net geraai of die velde word
oopgelos. Verder kan inligting by begrafplase verkry word (ook baie keer
ook nie korrek nie). Dan word daar maar geraai en bespiegel. Vrouens se
nooens vanne is ook nie altyd uitgspel nie.
In SA het die Raad vir Geestes Wetenskap/Navorsing darem 'n redelikke
databasis wat deur decades se navorsing opgebou is. Die inligting is nie
redelik beskikbaar vir die publiek nie maar, dokumente wat opgstel is
uit navorsing van die inligting kan darem nagevors word. Dus, inligting
wat deur profesore Hoge, Palma, van der Bijl, Malherbe, en andere
opgebou is, word redelik baie gebruik as die 'Bybel' vir genealoë oor
die wereld. Verder moet mens maar self die argiewe in Kaapstad en
Nederland en, die kerk argiewe raadpleeg. Die Mormoon kerk by Salt Lake
City het ook begin om alle persoon inligting in die wereld op microfilm
by hulle familie navorsing sentrums beskikbaar te stel. Daar is
probleme: te min fondse, mense wat inligting weerhou (soos kerke wat
voel die inligting is sensetief want dit mag bloedvermenging en
buiteegtelikke inlifting bevat), inligting nie beskikbaar gestel word
nie (soos SA se census inligting),
So, hoe seker is enigeen dat die inligting van sy familieboom korrek is?
Mense wat belang sou stel in 'n kans om 'n addisionele inkomste te kan
verdien of dit hul voltydse beroep te maak kan my kontak sodat ek meer
inligting kan deurgee en moontlik kontak kan maak met sulke
belangstellendes.
Hierdie is nie 'n foefie nie maar die hoeveelheid geld wat jy gaan verdien
hang van jouself af.
Dit lyk of hierdie mel en gloudina mekaar se alterego's is - dalk
seker nog dieselfde persoon wat uitl;ating soek vir sy / haar
frustrasies met haar eie siening.
Toe ek klein was het ek iets wragtig stupid gedoen, daar aan
die Natalse kus waar ek groot geword het, so op die grasperke
by Ballito baai se kus saam met al die sonaanbidders by die
strand gelê en allerhande plesierighede nagestreef, gedink dis
wat die lewe behels, naamlik om dit te geniet, toe ook lekker
waffers reguit in die son ingekyk, want soos alle dinge wat jou
nie dood maak nie, maak jou mos net sterker. My Pa se waar-
skuwing dat dit gevaarlik is en baie sleg vir jou oë was vaag
in my agterkop en ook by die skool het hulle ons vertel hoe
erg dit vir jou kan wees veral later aan in die lewe. Nou sit ek
hier in Londinium en (anders is dit was in Suid-Afrika) is dit
moeilik om nie soms in die son in te kyk nie, dit kom tog so
laag oor die horison op en beweeg stadig na waar dit nie 'n
gevaar vir die oë is nie en bly ook maar net vir 'n kort rukkie
daarso.
Anders as in SA waar ons so mooi beskermd groot word, kan
mens hier self belsuite neem en 'n veel groter mate van ver-
standigheid word geverg in Die Stad om te oorleef, een ding
is ook verseker, dat eieweisheid en eiewilligheid veel meer
gevaarlik is en daarom (o.a.) hierdie sterk spangees mentaliteit wat
meer as een Suid-Afrikanertjie al onkant gevang het, en toggie
al die kameras (wat nie altyd veel help nie) en polisiëring en
e-mail wat gemoniteer word en verondersteldlike sensitiewe
inligting wat mens nie kan aanstuur nie, laat ons Suid-Afrikaanse
gees van vryheid en begrip dat alles wat ons doen NIE so
uitermatiglik belangrik is nie waardeer, net jammer hoe ek los
geraak het in hierdie atmosfeer en soos 'n vis gesuip en rook het,
en gesukkel het om ledigheid,plesier en verantwoordelikheid
uit te balanseer en om nie eers die rassistiese manier van dink en
doen te noem nie, hoe maklik die woord "k@ffer" in sy neerhalende
manier gebruik word en dan ontken dat dit wel die geval was nie,
dis tog inderdaad hoe ek veel meer skade as denkbaar verrig het.
Wel, dis nou maar kaas, te veel lig verblind die oë en ek moet
nou elke paar maande 'n sterker bril koop, nogtans kan ek sien
wat belangrik is, naamlik om nie jou oë toe te hê en te ontken
wat aan die gang is nie, en nie soveel te sien dat jy daardeur
verblind word en sodoende op die Lewe uit te mis nie. Wat baie
verseker is, is dat ek 'n sondaar is en dat net God my kan en sal
red, dat my sondes reeds versoen is aan die kruis en dat Jesus
opgestaan het.
Weet enigiemand van 'n goeie busdiens waarvan ek kan gebruik maak? Dis nou
behalwe Greyhound.....Ek wil Februarie maand my ma en susters bietjie af vat
see toe en ons moet die karre hier los virrie mans. Enige idees, wat dalk
makliker gaan werk as 'n bus (moet net nie vir my sê ek moet trein ry nie,
dis nie meer veilig nie). Ek wou vlieg, maar moeder objekteer, sy's te bang
om met die rent-a-car in Durban in te vaar, en ek het nog nie 5 jaar lank my
lisensie nie, of is nog nie 25 jaar oud nie. (Alles kriteria vir kar huur).
As enigiemand my kan vertel van 'n lekker vakansiehuisie langs die see -
verkieslik tog in Margate of die omgewing, want moeder wil nie Ballito toe
gaan nie, sal ek dit ook waardeer. Dalk weet julle van 'n site waar ek al
hierdie inligting kan kry. Ek was by http://www.margate.co.za maar ek kan
nie kop of gat uitmaak van wat daar aangaan nie.
Ek weet dis bietjie baie gevra, maar dit sal die eerste keer wees dat ek 'n
vakansie reël, en ek weet nie eindelik waar om te begin nie.
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