Die geweld is lelik, die geweld is naar,
Op die nussgroep praat ons met mekaar.
Ons beskuldig,
Ons beledig,
Ons soek selfs oorsake
en vind baie krake
Die vlugteling tannie suig,
En die "upstart" joernalis sukkel,
Hier en daar is positiewe nuus
Hier en daar sê een "Ekskuus" ...
Maar -
Die geweld bly lelik, ja, die geweld bly naar,
En op die nuusgroep praat ons net met mekaar...
Net vir die wat nie by die M&G webblad kan uitkom nie - hier is die artikel
O ja Ferdi - jy wou name gehad het...
Communists want peace talks with ANC
The SA Communist Party has called for urgent talks with the ANC leadership
to resolve the fast deteriorating relations between the two parties.
HOWARD BARRELL reports
THE South African Communist Party leadership has called for a special
meeting this week with Deputy President Thabo Mbeki and other top
African National Congress officials to try to resolve the crisis in relations
between the two organisations.
The SACP wants the talks to take place before an ANC national executive
committee meeting scheduled for this weekend. It has written a letter to this
effect to the ANC. The party was still waiting for the ANC's response last
Thursday,according to Jeremy Cronin, SACP deputy general secretary.
The ANC denied last Thursday having received any letter from the SACP about
a meeting and said that consequently no such talks were planned.
In speeches to the SACP congress last month, President Nelson Mandela and
Mbeki issued unprecedented public rebukes to the party, the ANC's oldest
ally, for its attacks on government economic policy and for implying in
documents that some ANC leaders are obstacles to social transformation.
Any further deterioration in relations between the two parties could lead to
serious disruption within both parties, as well as at the top levels of
government.
Membership of the two parties overlaps considerably. Five Cabinet ministers,
two deputy ministers and about 80 MPs are members of both the ANC and
SACP. The SACP has about 20 000 paid-up members and another 60 000
members on its books, many of whom also belong to the ANC.
Shortly after Mandela's and Mbeki's reprimands, the SACP leadership and ANC
national working committee decided separately it was desirable in principle
that they meet to sort out their difficulties. A month later, the SACP has
grown impatient to set a date for such talks.
The SACP wants the meeting to bring together its five top officials and the
ANC's most important leaders, according to Cronin. The SACP envisages its
delegation comprising general secretary Blade Nzimande; chair Charles
Nqakula; deputy chair Geraldine Fraser-Moleketi, who is also minister of
welfare; Cronin; and Thaba Mufamadi, treasurer. The SACP hopes the ANC
delegation would include Mbeki, ANC president; Jacob Zuma, deputy president;
secretary general Kgalema Motlanthe; deputy secretary general Thenjiwe
Mthintso; and treasurer general Mendi Msimang. Mthintso is also a prominent
SACP member, who served on its politburo, the party's top executive organ,
until last weekend.
Other SACP officials said they thought there could be some tense moments at a
meeting. "But we will stand our ground," said one.
The SACP now wants to restabilise its alliance with the ANC, and there is no
suggestion of the party withdrawing from it, two other officials told the
Mail & Guardian.
"We will not roll on to our backs. Nor will we be looking for a fight. We
want to strengthen the tripartite alliance and help lead a healthy debate
inside it," said one.
Changes in the composition of the SACP's politburo last weekend could further
complicate ANC/SACP relations before a meeting. Some observers have
interpreted the ousting from the politburo of Essop Pahad, deputy minister in
the Office of the Deputy President, and Mbhazima Shilowa, general secretary of
the Congress of South African Trade Unions, as a slight to Mbeki.
Pahad is seen by many as Mbeki's "Mr Fixit", and Shilowa as a key Mbeki ally
in the deputy president's sometimes awkward relations with parts of the trade
union movement.
But SACP officials insisted that closeness to Mbeki had nothing to do with
the fact that the central committee members voted the two men off the
politburo. The sources pointed out that Minister of Safety and Security
Sydney Mufamadi, a close Mbeki ally, had been voted back on to the politburo.
They said Pahad's exclusion resulted from his sometimes "confrontational" and
"intolerant" manner, which had soured his relations with a number of party
members. In the case of Shilowa, many party members felt he was not devoting
enough time to his SACP duties.
The rising stars of the new politburo appear to be Phillip Dexter, a young ANC
MP and former trade unionist, and Mbuya Ngwanda, general secretary of the
National Union of Metalworkers of South Africa. Both new members, they are
seen by some party members as future intellectual leading lights.
Other new members of the politburo include Yunus Carrim, an ANC MP;
Ncumiso Kondlo, an ANC MP from the Eastern Cape; Nomaindia Mfeketo, a
Cape Town municipal leader and regional ANC official; and Dipuo Mvelase, a
former Umkhonto weSizwe guerrilla who is now a security official in
Johannesburg.
Members who kept their politburo positions include Deputy Minister of Defence
Ronnie Kasrils and Gwede Mantash, general secretary of the National Union of
Mineworkers. Nzimande, Nqakula, Fraser-Moleketi, Cronin and Thaba Mufamadi
retain their politburo membership on account of their elected positions
in the party hierarchy. -- Electronic Mail&Guardian, August 11, 1998.
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Jy is gestraf met die bloed van die hoer uit Sodom.
Jou intelegensie grens aan die van 'n bosaap wat maroelas kou - al wat jy
geerf het uit my land is my taal - wat jy duidelik goed kan praat-maar meer
as dit kan niemand jou ag nie.
Wat maak jy in Kanada as jou gevoelens vir SA so oorweldigend is. Jy is
bang, maar grootbek. Agterbaks en tipies verraaier materiaal.
Jou mentaliteit laat jou in die steek en jou gewoontes is gekultifeer in
Soweto.
Hoekom keer jy nie terug en kom span jouself voor die osse in nie . . . .?
Ag, natuurlik, jy sit en giggel vir daardie mense wat nie op buitelandse
paspoorte kan verhuis nie. Jy is yl en weeksinnig, afgewater en moeg.
Die son wat op jou vel skyn en die sneeu wat jou grasperk wit vef behoort
aan 'n land waarvan jy nooit deel sal wees nie. Waar mense altyd agter jou
rug sal se:"White South African immigrant piece of hypocritical shit."
Ek het dit vandag nogal heel interessant gevind om die artikel van die
Mail&Guardian van die 11e te lees oor die verskille en konflik tussen die ANC
en die SAKP oor die ANC se finansiële beleid (en GEAR). Ek het in my antwoord
op Ferdi se stellings/vrae wat oor my vrae gegaan het insake die moontlike
probleme wat die SAKP en COSATO gedeeltes van die Alliansie kan veroorsaak
vir die ANC (dit was nou 'n lomp sin), genoem van die ongelukkigheid van die
Arbeidsfaksie met GEAR. Volg die onderstaande om meer te lees hieroor.
Nou kom die vraag weer op - Is dit net voor-'94-vrese wat maak dat ons dink
dat die SAKP-gedeelte van die Alliansie moontlik kan probleme voorspel vir
die land se ekonomie?
Kom aan Ferdi - ek wag nog vir jou repliek op my bekommernisse soos uitgedruk.
-Gideon-
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Ek sit nou al die heel aand en lees al jou pinups hier en op ander
nuusgroepe.
Ek sal graag wil weet hoe oud jy is, maar soos jou geskidenis hier bewys
lief jy wegkruipertjie speel.
Kom vertel my die volgende:
1) hoe oud is jy?
2) hoe lank bly jy nou in Kanada?
3) hoekom KANADA?
4) waar in SA is jy gebore?
5) hoe lank het jy daar vertoef?
6) hoekom het jy vertrek?
7) hoekom het jou moeder jou nie doodgele as 'n baba nie?
MY TEQUILA-MEISIE (jonkmans-oomblikke nr. 96416)
(in 'n oomblik van alkohol-geinduseerde inspirasie)
jy dwing 'n keelgat in my af
jy het alkohol en jy het mag
ek verwikkel nou stadig, dubbelvisie,
en loer met blink oe na jou - my cantina tequila meisie
en ek wonder hoe jy jouself verwerdig
om groot mans se klein tips te vat en te smile
en ek wil shoo graag he jy moet wiet
every time they touch your ass, they touch mine, my sweet..
Ja, wat is die swart ruiter, sonder 'n swart moottor
die great getaway was net 'n rumour
want my meisie werk net tot halftwee
voor sy off-duty klappe en bitchy comebacks begin gee
En ek wonder in hoofpynoggende oor jou
jou gladde vel swart hare en oe, meer kan ek nie onthou
En ek wens jy kon my na waarde skat
daar waar ek op stilte-stoel jou uitcheck
en vir myself vat
Ytyntlik kom jy nader...
my hemelse gebed, vervat in geld se ongenade
en ek smeek en ek soebat jou sonder 'n woord
om ook 'n tequila tong in my hart af te stort
en ek wil so graag he jy moet weet
every time they touch you, they touch me, my sweet
(Kopiereg 28/5/98 - Werner Vermaak)
--
Truth is always strange; stranger than fiction (Lord Byron)
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