| Uit Afrika vir Gloudina - 4 [boodskap #95171] |
Ma, 19 Julie 2004 09:46  |
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Wie dink jy, Gloudina, betaal vir die "gratis" elektrisiteit wat Zim van
SA kry?
Zim battling the impossible
Harare - Pensioners buy a single egg when they shop. School numbers are
falling because parents can't afford to feed their children, let alone
educate them.
One desperate man who couldn't make ends meet chose to pay with his life.
Runaway prices are changing, perhaps for generations, the way people
live and die in Zimbabwe, a once relatively prosperous nation now
ravaged by the world's highest inflation rate.
Economists and international donors say mismanagement by President
Robert Mugabe's authoritarian regime - especially economic disruption
related to his controversial policy of seizing white-owned farms - is
behind an annual inflation rate now close to 400%.
The government points the finger elsewhere, at culprits including
falling commodity prices.
What's beyond dispute is that the human cost continues to rise.
Zimbabwe once boasted one of the best education systems in Africa.
But enrolment is down 30% since 2000, according to the United Nations
Children's Fund, because parents are struggling just to feed their
children, increasing numbers of whom are forced to work, beg or turn to
prostitution.
'Zero, zero, one diet'
Mildred Chizema, a secretary, said she and her two children live on what
she calls the "zero, zero, one diet" - no breakfast, no lunch, just one
evening meal. She dreads staying home on weekends.
She earns the equivalent of about R445 a month. The consumer council of
Zimbabwe estimates an average family of four needs at least double that
to provide for an adequate diet, basic shelter, clothing and food.
Salaries and pensions are being left behind by galloping prices.
Zimbabwe's official inflation rate was 394.6% in June. That's down from
a peak of 600% earlier this year, but remains the highest in the world,
with Turkey a distant second at 60%, said Harare economist John Robertson.
Crippled Zimbabwe's agricultural sector
The economy began to falter in the late 1990s and has teetered near
collapse since 2000, when political violence and often-violent farm
seizures disrupted agriculture and tourism.
The land seizures, coupled with erratic rains, have crippled Zimbabwe's
agricultural sector, which once accounted for a third of its
foreign-currency earnings. Unemployment is estimated at 70%.
The government blames declines in commodity prices, corruption in the
private sector and negative reporting by the international media, which,
it says, has led to the destruction of tourism.
But analysts predict things will get worse unless the government can
reduce spending and reassure spooked investors.
Bride price, a custom in traditional African marriages, has soared to
millions of Zimbabwe dollars in cash and gifts.
A driver with a Harare legal firm paid Zim$1 000 to his bride's parents
soon after independence from Britain in 1980 - a considerable sum then.
"She gets angry when I say today she is worth only four slices of
bread," he said.
Edited by Iaine Harper
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| Re: Uit Afrika vir Gloudina [boodskap #95195 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95171] |
Ma, 19 Julie 2004 13:27  |
Riaan
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Plato
Gloudina glo net wat sy wil glo, ek voorspel dat die enigste ding wat jy van
haar gaan hoor rakende dit wat jy hier geplaas het is 'n gekerm omdat dit in
engels is.
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| Re: Uit Afrika vir Gloudina [boodskap #95199 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95171] |
Ma, 19 Julie 2004 13:41 |
Max
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Doen dit dan...
Max____________________________
"@rogers.com"
> Ja. Jy is reg. Hierdie mense soos Frikkie Potgieter en
> "Plato" wat sit en Engels pos op 'n AFRIKAANSE
> nuusgroep moet net eenvoudig geignoreer word.
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| Re: Uit Afrika vir Gloudina [boodskap #95200 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95195] |
Ma, 19 Julie 2004 13:45 |
bouer
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"Riaan" skryf
> Gloudina glo net wat sy wil glo, ek voorspel dat die enigste ding wat jy van
> haar gaan hoor rakende dit wat jy hier geplaas het is 'n gekerm omdat dit in
> engels is.
Ja. Jy is reg. Hierdie mense soos Frikkie Potgieter en
"Plato" wat sit en Engels pos op 'n AFRIKAANSE
nuusgroep moet net eenvoudig geignoreer word. Kan
hulle nie ten minste dieselfde nuus in artikels uit
Afrikaanse koerante op 'n AFRIKAANSE nuusgroep
pos nie? Of kry hulle nie genoeg van daardie soort
snert in Afrikaanse koerante nie? Ek gaan eenvoudig
net nie meer die artikels lees wat uit Engelse koerante
op hierdie Afrikaanse nuusgroep gepos word nie.
Gloudina
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| Re: Uit Afrika vir Gloudina [boodskap #95203 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95171] |
Ma, 19 Julie 2004 14:22 |
Ferdi Greyling
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Hoekom noem jy jouself Plato? Weet jy wie hy was?
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:38:39 +0200, Plato wrote:
> SA soldiers blamed of sex abuse
>
> Johanneswburg - The defence ministry says it has no knowledge of a
> United Nations report detailing sexual attacks on minors by South
> African soldiers stationed in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC).
>
> There have been allegations of 50 cases of sexual attacks on minors
> carried out by Monuc, the United Nations mission to the DRC, in Bunia in
> the north-east of the country over the past year.
>
> Defence ministry spokesperson Sam Mkwanazi said on Monday he could not
> comment on the allegations as the ministry had not seen the report.
>
> "We are still trying to find the report. If there is someone who can
> point to where we can get it that would help. We are busy trying to get
> in touch with the United Nations now... we can't comment until we see
> the report," he said.
>
> "They are talking about Bunia and we (South Africa) have never had
> troops in Bunia," he added.
>
> Integrity questioned
>
> The Democratic Alliance questioned whether the defence ministry had been
> totally unaware about the allegations.
>
> "If they were not aware, why had they not been made aware by the
> commanders of South African troops on the ground?" asked DA defence
> spokesperson Rafeek Shah.
>
> Shah said the allegations brought South Africa's integrity into question.
>
> "By becoming involved in this sort of criminal activity, if indeed the
> allegations are correct, the troop's entire role and reason for being in
> the DRC are undermined."
>
> He said the guilty parties should be dealt with swiftly so that the
> reputation of South African troops in the DRC was not further tarnished.
>
> The DA would table questions in parliament on the issue.
>
> Male interpreter molested
>
> The Star newspaper reported on Monday that a South African colonel in
> Goma allegedly sexually molested his young male interpreter.
> Investigations by the UN found that he had requested male interpreters
> under the age of 18 since the start of his mission.
>
> He was repatriated to South Africa, but there was no indication that he
> was investigated or prosecuted on his return.
>
> The UN probe follows an investigation by The Independent in London, and
> a cable sent last month from the Monuc office in Kinshasa to the UN
> headquarters in New York detailing sexual abuses against minors.
>
> A second cable was sent, recording a further four allegations and adding
> that special attention must be paid to the behaviour of South African
> Monuc troops in Kindu, Moroccan Monuc troops in Kinsangani and Monuc
> troops from Uruguay, Pakistan and Nepal.
>
> Edited by Elmarie Jack
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| Re: Uit Afrika vir Gloudina [boodskap #95204 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95200] |
Ma, 19 Julie 2004 14:29 |
PietR
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En die antie is al hoeveel keer vertel dat hierdie ng nie uitsluitlik vir
Afrikaans bedoel was nie! Die antie het ook nie ore nie!
"@rogers.com" wrote in message
news:YfQKc.13082$u_X.431@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.co m...
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> "Riaan" skryf
>
>> Gloudina glo net wat sy wil glo, ek voorspel dat die enigste ding wat jy
> van
>> haar gaan hoor rakende dit wat jy hier geplaas het is 'n gekerm omdat
dit
> in
>> engels is.
>
> Ja. Jy is reg. Hierdie mense soos Frikkie Potgieter en
> "Plato" wat sit en Engels pos op 'n AFRIKAANSE
> nuusgroep moet net eenvoudig geignoreer word. Kan
> hulle nie ten minste dieselfde nuus in artikels uit
> Afrikaanse koerante op 'n AFRIKAANSE nuusgroep
> pos nie? Of kry hulle nie genoeg van daardie soort
> snert in Afrikaanse koerante nie? Ek gaan eenvoudig
> net nie meer die artikels lees wat uit Engelse koerante
> op hierdie Afrikaanse nuusgroep gepos word nie.
>
> Gloudina
>
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| Re: Uit Afrika vir Gloudina [boodskap #95209 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95203] |
Ma, 19 Julie 2004 14:59 |
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'n Denker! Met baie opinies wat Gloudina sal laat ril!
Filosoof wat geleer het onder die leiding van Socrates. Hy het onder
andere Aristotle filosofie help bestudeer. Hy was ook die vader van die
Akademie in Athene. Groot gees.
Ek gebruik sy naam met respek en glad nie omdat ek dink ek is enigsins
in sy liga nie.
Groete
Plato
Ferdi Greyling wrote:
> Hoekom noem jy jouself Plato? Weet jy wie hy was?
>
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:38:39 +0200, Plato wrote:
>
>
>> SA soldiers blamed of sex abuse
>> Johanneswburg - The defence ministry says it has no knowledge of a
>> United Nations report detailing sexual attacks on minors by South
>> African soldiers stationed in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC).
>> There have been allegations of 50 cases of sexual attacks on minors
>> carried out by Monuc, the United Nations mission to the DRC, in Bunia in
>> the north-east of the country over the past year.
>> Defence ministry spokesperson Sam Mkwanazi said on Monday he could not
>> comment on the allegations as the ministry had not seen the report.
>> "We are still trying to find the report. If there is someone who can
>> point to where we can get it that would help. We are busy trying to get
>> in touch with the United Nations now... we can't comment until we see
>> the report," he said.
>> "They are talking about Bunia and we (South Africa) have never had
>> troops in Bunia," he added.
>> Integrity questioned
>> The Democratic Alliance questioned whether the defence ministry had been
>> totally unaware about the allegations.
>> "If they were not aware, why had they not been made aware by the
>> commanders of South African troops on the ground?" asked DA defence
>> spokesperson Rafeek Shah.
>> Shah said the allegations brought South Africa's integrity into question.
>> "By becoming involved in this sort of criminal activity, if indeed the
>> allegations are correct, the troop's entire role and reason for being in
>> the DRC are undermined."
>> He said the guilty parties should be dealt with swiftly so that the
>> reputation of South African troops in the DRC was not further tarnished.
>> The DA would table questions in parliament on the issue.
>> Male interpreter molested
>> The Star newspaper reported on Monday that a South African colonel in
>> Goma allegedly sexually molested his young male interpreter.
>> Investigations by the UN found that he had requested male interpreters
>> under the age of 18 since the start of his mission.
>> He was repatriated to South Africa, but there was no indication that he
>> was investigated or prosecuted on his return.
>> The UN probe follows an investigation by The Independent in London, and
>> a cable sent last month from the Monuc office in Kinshasa to the UN
>> headquarters in New York detailing sexual abuses against minors.
>> A second cable was sent, recording a further four allegations and adding
>> that special attention must be paid to the behaviour of South African
>> Monuc troops in Kindu, Moroccan Monuc troops in Kinsangani and Monuc
>> troops from Uruguay, Pakistan and Nepal.
>> Edited by Elmarie Jack
>
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| Plato [boodskap #95212 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95209] |
Ma, 19 Julie 2004 15:17 |
Waaierstertmuis
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Plato skryf:
> Filosoof wat geleer het onder die leiding van Socrates. Hy het onder
> andere Aristotle filosofie help bestudeer.
>
> Ek gebruik sy naam met respek en glad nie omdat ek dink ek is enigsins
> in sy liga nie.
Hmmmmm...ja wel....ek herhaal dan maar wat ek amper 'n jaar gelede ook
vir jou gesê het:
"To do is to be." -- Plato
"To be is to do." -- Aristotle
"Do be do be do." -- Sinatra
Jy klink vir my eerder na 'n Sinatra as 'n Plato.
:-)
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| Re: Plato [boodskap #95218 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95212] |
Ma, 19 Julie 2004 16:00 |
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Goeie een...
Do be do be do be doooooo ooo ooo ooo....
;o)
Katryn wrote:
> Plato skryf:
>
>
>> Filosoof wat geleer het onder die leiding van Socrates. Hy het onder
>> andere Aristotle filosofie help bestudeer.
>> Ek gebruik sy naam met respek en glad nie omdat ek dink ek is enigsins
>> in sy liga nie.
>
>
> Hmmmmm...ja wel....ek herhaal dan maar wat ek amper 'n jaar gelede ook
> vir jou gesê het:
>
> "To do is to be." -- Plato
> "To be is to do." -- Aristotle
> "Do be do be do." -- Sinatra
>
> Jy klink vir my eerder na 'n Sinatra as 'n Plato.
> :-)
>
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| Re: Plato [boodskap #95223 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95218] |
Ma, 19 Julie 2004 16:17 |
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Plato skryf:
> Goeie een...
>
> Do be do be do be doooooo ooo ooo ooo....
So, gaan jy nou jou naam verander na Scooby Doo?
;-)))))
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| Re: Plato [boodskap #95227 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95223] |
Ma, 19 Julie 2004 16:32 |
Anoth
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Nee maar ek kan dit sing...
Scoooooby dooooby dooooby doooooooo....
;o)
Katryn wrote:
> Plato skryf:
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>> Goeie een...
>> Do be do be do be doooooo ooo ooo ooo....
>
>
> So, gaan jy nou jou naam verander na Scooby Doo?
> ;-)))))
>
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| Re: Uit Afrika vir Gloudina [boodskap #95259 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95209] |
Di, 20 Julie 2004 09:56 |
Ferdi Greyling
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:59:46 +0200, Plato wrote:
> 'n Denker! Met baie opinies wat Gloudina sal laat ril!
>
> Filosoof wat geleer het onder die leiding van Socrates. Hy het onder
> andere Aristotle filosofie help bestudeer. Hy was ook die vader van die
> Akademie in Athene. Groot gees.
>
> Ek gebruik sy naam met respek en glad nie omdat ek dink ek is enigsins
> in sy liga nie.
Dis slim van jou.
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| Re: Uit Afrika vir Gloudina [boodskap #95264 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95259] |
Di, 20 Julie 2004 10:33 |
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Goeie dag Ferdi
Jou antagonisme is interessant... Nou wat probeer jy hier begin Ferdi?
Om te sê ek is slim om myself nie te ag in Plato se liga nie insinueer
dat jy dit kan bevestig. Om dit te kan bevestig moet jy op een of ander
manier my kan vergelyk met Plato. Die feit dat die man dood is en jy my
nog nie in 'n regte filosofiese konfrontasie gesien het nie is maar twee
redes hoekom ek dink jy is onbevoeg om repliek te lewer op die bepaalde
skrewe van my. Ek voel gevlei dat jy dink ek is so eerlik maar het jy al
van iets soos eerrowing gehoor? Dit is toevallig iets wat mens aan
jouself kan doen en baie mense doen dit as iemand hulle komplimenteer.
Hulle sal iets sê soos, "ag dis niks nie" of "nee wat dit was nie moeite
nie".
Ek was eerlik toe ek gesê het ek ag my nie in Plato se liga nie, maar
ten tye van jou skrewe kon jy onmoontlik nie seker gewees het nie. As jy
nie in my liga of 'n hoër een val nie is jou opmerking lagwekkend. Maar
as ek moet maak of ek nie die snedigheid gesien het nie sal ek die
volgende te sê hê:
"Dankie, maar dit was nie moeite nie!"
Groete
Plato
Ferdi Greyling wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:59:46 +0200, Plato wrote:
>
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