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Danielle wrote:
> Laat ek net dit vra - dink jy ET het 'n pretzel ge-eet voor hy van sy
> perd afgeval het?
Nee.
En ek dink nie hy het van sy perd afgeval nie.
Sy perd het hom afgegooi. Sy perd was al lankal
dik vir hom en het sy kans gevat. Sy perd wou
ook sy deeltjie bydra tot die totstandkoming van
'n nuwe Suid-Afrika. Perdry is nie vir sissies nie.
Die Ruiter in die Nag
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| Sommer net... [boodskap #55683 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #55681] |
Vr., 18 Januarie 2002 02:50 |
Waaierstertmuis
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Wat dink julle is die grootste oorsaak of rede dat mense van mekaar
skinder? Nie net sommer gewone en algemene daaglikse "skinder" nie,
maar werklike maligne/kwaadwillige skinder en agteraf rugstekery wat
bedoel is om iemand anders se karakter aan te val en skade te
berokken? Dit gebeur tog daagliks in alle fasette van die samelewing
- maar watse tipe persoon is dit wat haarself/homself veroorloof tot
sulke dade?
Die afgelope ruk wonder ek baie hieroor. Ek dink nie die ouens wat op
hierdie nuusgroep deelneem is betrokke by sulke dinge nie. Aarde, ons
is te besig om in die OPENBAAR met mekaar te baklei en stry! :-)
Maar ek sou tog graag wou hoor as iemand dalk idees/opinies hieroor
het.
Volgens die Baha'i is rugstekers (backbiters) mense wat hulle eie
verantwoordelikhede vir hulle probleme/vrese wil afskuif op iemand
anders. Speaking badly of another person gives a temporary
psychological boost to the speaker, who feels him/herself to be
superior in some way to the one being spoken of. This is quite a
relief if one's self esteem is low (at least temporarily).
"...Backbiting quencheth the light of the heart, and extinguisheth the
life of the soul."
(Baha'u'llah: The Kitab-i-Iqan, p. 193)
And an awareness that one is not only injuring him/herself spiritually
but also the people listening to the backbiting and destroying the
unity of the friends:
"...If any soul speak ill of an absent one, the only result will
clearly be this: he will dampen the zeal of the friends and tend to
make them indifferent. For backbiting is divisive, it is the leading
cause among the friends of a disposition to withdraw. ."
(Abdu'l-Baha: Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha,
pp. 230-31)
It's interesting that the reason for backbiting in the first place was
to bolster low self-esteem, but it was only a temporary high followed
by a deeper low than before. Once we stop backbiting, a sort of self
esteem descends on the soul which is stable and profound from obeying
this essential law of God. Others come to trust, respect and love us
more as they sense that we can see their positive spiritual qualities,
and this also results in feelings of self-worth. Our lives are in
harmony with the spirit of the Faith. Also, when we can see our own
shortcomings and weaknesses, and don't dwell on the weaknesses of
others, it results in true humility (not humilitation) and feelings of
oneness with the rest of humankind. We can get off the seesaw of
feeling superior or inferior to others, and can look others squarely
in the eye as equals.
Wat sê die bybel:
http://www.1stock.org/Documents/Bible_Studies/Gossip.htm#5-R EASONS%20THAT%20PEOPLE%20GOSSIP
REASONS THAT PEOPLE GOSSIP
1) Pride
2) Bitterness, hostility, anger, resentment; thus, find someone to
vent their inner feelings on
3) Low self-esteem; desire to pull others around them down to their
level
4) Purposeful attempt to destroy or malign someone, motivated by
jealousy
5) Influence of peers; joining the crowd for acceptance
CONSEQUENCES OF GOSSIP
1) The one who is spoken against can receive:
hurt or pain,
embarrassment,
damage to their character
or reputation;
it is destructive
and causes division.
2) The one who gossips reveals the true nature of their heart. As it
is written:
Mt 12:34-O GENERATION OF VIPERS, HOW CAN YE, BEING EVIL, SPEAK
GOOD THINGS? FOR OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAKETH
(the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heartÂrevealing that sin
is in control).
The apostle Paul warns, Gal 6:7,8-BE NOT DECEIVED; GOD IS NOT
MOCKED: FOR WHATSOEVER A MAN SOWETH, THAT SHALL HE ALSO REAP. FOR HE
THAT SOWETH TO HIS FLESH SHALL OF THE FLESH REAP CORRUPTION; BUT HE
THAT SOWETH TO THE SPIRIT SHALL OF THE SPIRIT REAP LIFE EVERLASTING
(we may reap more than what we have sownÂlike a boomerangÂit comes
back to us).
It is written, Pv 19:9-A FALSE WITNESS SHALL NOT BE UNPUNISHED,
AND HE THAT SPEAKETH LIES SHALL PERISH.
Pv 12:18-THERE IS THAT SPEAKETH LIKE THE PIERCINGS OF A SWORD: BUT
THE TONGUE OF THE WISE IS HEALTH (reckless words pierce like a sword
[NIV], which drives godly people away).
Pv 12:22-LYING LIPS ARE ABOMINATION TO THE LORD: BUT THEY THAT
DEAL TRULY ARE HIS DELIGHT.
3) The third party (or the person hearing the gossip) can become
confused and influenced in the wrong manner. They may repeat the error
and get caught up in it.
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| Re: Sommer net... [boodskap #55686 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #55683] |
Vr., 18 Januarie 2002 04:23 |
Annette
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Sal nie weet nie Danielle - het my nog nooit juis gesteur aan sulke mense
nie.
Dis mos hulle probleem;))
Annette
Danielle skryf in boodskap news:931f4ukoke2hn1cspmt8dse3mujo8hgusr@4ax.com...
> Wat dink julle is die grootste oorsaak of rede dat mense van mekaar
> skinder? Nie net sommer gewone en algemene daaglikse "skinder" nie,
> maar werklike maligne/kwaadwillige skinder en agteraf rugstekery wat
> bedoel is om iemand anders se karakter aan te val en skade te
> berokken? Dit gebeur tog daagliks in alle fasette van die samelewing
> - maar watse tipe persoon is dit wat haarself/homself veroorloof tot
> sulke dade?
>
> Die afgelope ruk wonder ek baie hieroor. Ek dink nie die ouens wat op
> hierdie nuusgroep deelneem is betrokke by sulke dinge nie. Aarde, ons
> is te besig om in die OPENBAAR met mekaar te baklei en stry! :-)
> Maar ek sou tog graag wou hoor as iemand dalk idees/opinies hieroor
> het.
>
> Volgens die Baha'i is rugstekers (backbiters) mense wat hulle eie
> verantwoordelikhede vir hulle probleme/vrese wil afskuif op iemand
> anders. Speaking badly of another person gives a temporary
> psychological boost to the speaker, who feels him/herself to be
> superior in some way to the one being spoken of. This is quite a
> relief if one's self esteem is low (at least temporarily).
>
> "...Backbiting quencheth the light of the heart, and extinguisheth the
> life of the soul."
> (Baha'u'llah: The Kitab-i-Iqan, p. 193)
>
> And an awareness that one is not only injuring him/herself spiritually
> but also the people listening to the backbiting and destroying the
> unity of the friends:
>
> "...If any soul speak ill of an absent one, the only result will
> clearly be this: he will dampen the zeal of the friends and tend to
> make them indifferent. For backbiting is divisive, it is the leading
> cause among the friends of a disposition to withdraw. ."
> (Abdu'l-Baha: Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha,
> pp. 230-31)
>
> It's interesting that the reason for backbiting in the first place was
> to bolster low self-esteem, but it was only a temporary high followed
> by a deeper low than before. Once we stop backbiting, a sort of self
> esteem descends on the soul which is stable and profound from obeying
> this essential law of God. Others come to trust, respect and love us
> more as they sense that we can see their positive spiritual qualities,
> and this also results in feelings of self-worth. Our lives are in
> harmony with the spirit of the Faith. Also, when we can see our own
> shortcomings and weaknesses, and don't dwell on the weaknesses of
> others, it results in true humility (not humilitation) and feelings of
> oneness with the rest of humankind. We can get off the seesaw of
> feeling superior or inferior to others, and can look others squarely
> in the eye as equals.
>
>
> Wat sê die bybel:
>
http://www.1stock.org/Documents/Bible_Studies/Gossip.htm#5-R EASONS%20THAT%20
PEOPLE%20GOSSIP
>
> REASONS THAT PEOPLE GOSSIP
>
> 1) Pride
> 2) Bitterness, hostility, anger, resentment; thus, find someone to
> vent their inner feelings on
> 3) Low self-esteem; desire to pull others around them down to their
> level
> 4) Purposeful attempt to destroy or malign someone, motivated by
> jealousy
> 5) Influence of peers; joining the crowd for acceptance
>
> CONSEQUENCES OF GOSSIP
>
> 1) The one who is spoken against can receive:
> hurt or pain,
> embarrassment,
> damage to their character
> or reputation;
> it is destructive
> and causes division.
> 2) The one who gossips reveals the true nature of their heart. As it
> is written:
> Mt 12:34-O GENERATION OF VIPERS, HOW CAN YE, BEING EVIL, SPEAK
> GOOD THINGS? FOR OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAKETH
> (the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart-revealing that sin
> is in control).
>
> The apostle Paul warns, Gal 6:7,8-BE NOT DECEIVED; GOD IS NOT
> MOCKED: FOR WHATSOEVER A MAN SOWETH, THAT SHALL HE ALSO REAP. FOR HE
> THAT SOWETH TO HIS FLESH SHALL OF THE FLESH REAP CORRUPTION; BUT HE
> THAT SOWETH TO THE SPIRIT SHALL OF THE SPIRIT REAP LIFE EVERLASTING
> (we may reap more than what we have sown-like a boomerang-it comes
> back to us).
>
> It is written, Pv 19:9-A FALSE WITNESS SHALL NOT BE UNPUNISHED,
> AND HE THAT SPEAKETH LIES SHALL PERISH.
>
> Pv 12:18-THERE IS THAT SPEAKETH LIKE THE PIERCINGS OF A SWORD: BUT
> THE TONGUE OF THE WISE IS HEALTH (reckless words pierce like a sword
> [NIV], which drives godly people away).
>
> Pv 12:22-LYING LIPS ARE ABOMINATION TO THE LORD: BUT THEY THAT
> DEAL TRULY ARE HIS DELIGHT.
> 3) The third party (or the person hearing the gossip) can become
> confused and influenced in the wrong manner. They may repeat the error
> and get caught up in it.
>
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| Re: Sommer net... [boodskap #55719 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #55683] |
Vr., 18 Januarie 2002 08:45 |
Sakkie[4]
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Nou wat nou Danielle, jy vra 'n vraag en dan gee jy sommer terselfdertyd al
die antwoorde:-))))) wat moet ek nou sê behalwe:
uh......hmmmmm.....aaah!....wraggies, die ouens het 'n goeie punt beet.
"Danielle" skryf in boodskap news:931f4ukoke2hn1cspmt8dse3mujo8hgusr@4ax.com...
> Wat dink julle is die grootste oorsaak of rede dat mense van mekaar
> skinder? Nie net sommer gewone en algemene daaglikse "skinder" nie,
> maar werklike maligne/kwaadwillige skinder en agteraf rugstekery wat
> bedoel is om iemand anders se karakter aan te val en skade te
> berokken? Dit gebeur tog daagliks in alle fasette van die samelewing
> - maar watse tipe persoon is dit wat haarself/homself veroorloof tot
> sulke dade?
>
> Die afgelope ruk wonder ek baie hieroor. Ek dink nie die ouens wat op
> hierdie nuusgroep deelneem is betrokke by sulke dinge nie. Aarde, ons
> is te besig om in die OPENBAAR met mekaar te baklei en stry! :-)
> Maar ek sou tog graag wou hoor as iemand dalk idees/opinies hieroor
> het.
>
> Volgens die Baha'i is rugstekers (backbiters) mense wat hulle eie
> verantwoordelikhede vir hulle probleme/vrese wil afskuif op iemand
> anders. Speaking badly of another person gives a temporary
> psychological boost to the speaker, who feels him/herself to be
> superior in some way to the one being spoken of. This is quite a
> relief if one's self esteem is low (at least temporarily).
>
> "...Backbiting quencheth the light of the heart, and extinguisheth the
> life of the soul."
> (Baha'u'llah: The Kitab-i-Iqan, p. 193)
>
> And an awareness that one is not only injuring him/herself spiritually
> but also the people listening to the backbiting and destroying the
> unity of the friends:
>
> "...If any soul speak ill of an absent one, the only result will
> clearly be this: he will dampen the zeal of the friends and tend to
> make them indifferent. For backbiting is divisive, it is the leading
> cause among the friends of a disposition to withdraw. ."
> (Abdu'l-Baha: Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha,
> pp. 230-31)
>
> It's interesting that the reason for backbiting in the first place was
> to bolster low self-esteem, but it was only a temporary high followed
> by a deeper low than before. Once we stop backbiting, a sort of self
> esteem descends on the soul which is stable and profound from obeying
> this essential law of God. Others come to trust, respect and love us
> more as they sense that we can see their positive spiritual qualities,
> and this also results in feelings of self-worth. Our lives are in
> harmony with the spirit of the Faith. Also, when we can see our own
> shortcomings and weaknesses, and don't dwell on the weaknesses of
> others, it results in true humility (not humilitation) and feelings of
> oneness with the rest of humankind. We can get off the seesaw of
> feeling superior or inferior to others, and can look others squarely
> in the eye as equals.
>
>
> Wat sê die bybel:
>
http://www.1stock.org/Documents/Bible_Studies/Gossip.htm#5-R EASONS%20THAT%20
PEOPLE%20GOSSIP
>
> REASONS THAT PEOPLE GOSSIP
>
> 1) Pride
> 2) Bitterness, hostility, anger, resentment; thus, find someone to
> vent their inner feelings on
> 3) Low self-esteem; desire to pull others around them down to their
> level
> 4) Purposeful attempt to destroy or malign someone, motivated by
> jealousy
> 5) Influence of peers; joining the crowd for acceptance
>
> CONSEQUENCES OF GOSSIP
>
> 1) The one who is spoken against can receive:
> hurt or pain,
> embarrassment,
> damage to their character
> or reputation;
> it is destructive
> and causes division.
> 2) The one who gossips reveals the true nature of their heart. As it
> is written:
> Mt 12:34-O GENERATION OF VIPERS, HOW CAN YE, BEING EVIL, SPEAK
> GOOD THINGS? FOR OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAKETH
> (the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart-revealing that sin
> is in control).
>
> The apostle Paul warns, Gal 6:7,8-BE NOT DECEIVED; GOD IS NOT
> MOCKED: FOR WHATSOEVER A MAN SOWETH, THAT SHALL HE ALSO REAP. FOR HE
> THAT SOWETH TO HIS FLESH SHALL OF THE FLESH REAP CORRUPTION; BUT HE
> THAT SOWETH TO THE SPIRIT SHALL OF THE SPIRIT REAP LIFE EVERLASTING
> (we may reap more than what we have sown-like a boomerang-it comes
> back to us).
>
> It is written, Pv 19:9-A FALSE WITNESS SHALL NOT BE UNPUNISHED,
> AND HE THAT SPEAKETH LIES SHALL PERISH.
>
> Pv 12:18-THERE IS THAT SPEAKETH LIKE THE PIERCINGS OF A SWORD: BUT
> THE TONGUE OF THE WISE IS HEALTH (reckless words pierce like a sword
> [NIV], which drives godly people away).
>
> Pv 12:22-LYING LIPS ARE ABOMINATION TO THE LORD: BUT THEY THAT
> DEAL TRULY ARE HIS DELIGHT.
> 3) The third party (or the person hearing the gossip) can become
> confused and influenced in the wrong manner. They may repeat the error
> and get caught up in it.
>
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| Re: Sommer net... [boodskap #55743 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #55691] |
Vr., 18 Januarie 2002 18:09 |
Waaierstertmuis
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:15:20 +0200, Threeships 'did you see that?? '
Mcduck wrote:
>> Wat dink julle is die grootste oorsaak of rede dat mense van mekaar
>> skinder?
>
> apartheid natuurlik. mense in veraf lande doen dit nie.
Nee, moenie jy ook nou begin nie. :-)
Maar ek sal graag in daai veraf land wil gaan woon...
> ek dink as iemand by jou, of jy by iemand, begin om `n ander te
> beskinder is dit `n poging om erkenning te kry vir hoe jy voel. as ek
> voel dat koos is sus of so dan begin ek by jou skinder in die hoop dat
> jy dit sal beaam. en dis redelik maklik want die oomblik wat jy
> deelneem aan die gesprek beaam jy dit, tensy jy pertinent die teendeel
> staaf. nou sal ek nie so skuldig voel omdat ek so dink nie.
Baie dankie dat jy jou gedagtes gedeel het. Ek stem nogal saam met
jou. Veral jou verwysing na "skuldig" voel is vir my interessant.
Die rol van die Internet en gespreksgroepe is ook interessant - in
die opsig dat ek dink mense se persoonlikhede in die werklike lewe
word baie mooi gespieël hier. Meer miskien nog as wat mens besef -
want hier is nie liggaamstaal en ander fisiese dinge wat ons gebruik
in ons alledaagse lewe om met mense te komminikeer nie. Jy kan nie
altyd die glimlag op die skrywer se gesig sien nie - mense soos ek wat
swak skrywers is, moet maar gebruik maak van baie smileys om te wys
dat ek nie ernstig of kwaad is nie - andere skryf goed genoeg om nie
van hierdie goetertjies gebruik te maak nie. Nogsteeds - ek dink nie
ons kan rerig verdoesel wie of wat ons is in die werklike lewe nie.
Daarom dan begin "skinder" dalk 'n manier word om jouself in die
pecking order te hou - selfs ten koste van ander deelnemers - of
eerder VERAL ten koste van ander deelnemers?
>> - maar watse tipe persoon is dit wat haarself/homself veroorloof tot
>> sulke dade?
>
> dis `n natuurlike ding van ons spesie om aanvaarding en erkenning te
> soek.
Ek dink ook so.
> so almal voel soms om dit te doen, om te toets of die om my ook
> so voel. dis net as jou persoonlikheid goed ontwikkel is dat jy jou
> sal weerhou daarvan maar ek dink almal vang hulleself dat jy jouself
> moet keer net voor jy wou begin. wat is dan nou lekkerder as jy dink
> iemand is `n poeppol en iemand beaam dit vir jou.
Hmmm....ja, jy het 'n goeie punt hier beet. :-) Ek dink ons almal
skinder op een of ander stadium van ander - en soms word dit selfs
aangemoedig (om te skinder), want blykbaar is dit gesond vir die
psige. Maar ek dink tog dat daar skinder en SKINDER is! :-))
> dis nou beskeie opinie en julle is geregtig daarop.
Niks verkeerd met JOU selfbeeld nie!! :-)) Bly om te hoor dat jy voel
ons is geregtig daarop. :-))
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| Re: Sommer net... [boodskap #55851 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #55743] |
Ma., 21 Januarie 2002 07:45 |
Threeships 'did you s
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:09:33 -0500, Danielle
sent the following message to space station Earth:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:15:20 +0200, Threeships 'did you see that?? '
> Mcduck wrote:
>
>>> Wat dink julle is die grootste oorsaak of rede dat mense van mekaar
>>> skinder?
>> apartheid natuurlik. mense in veraf lande doen dit nie.
>
> Nee, moenie jy ook nou begin nie. :-)
> Maar ek sal graag in daai veraf land wil gaan woon...
>
moet my nie verkeerd verstaan nie, ek het dit net teen die andere wat
ver bly maar insist om die wat local bly met die grootste klippe te
bestook.
> Die rol van die Internet en gespreksgroepe is ook interessant - in
> die opsig dat ek dink mense se persoonlikhede in die werklike lewe
> word baie mooi gespieël hier. Meer miskien nog as wat mens besef -
in sommige opsigte ja, veral as die gesprek so `n bietjie hittig word
kom die ware kleure na vore. as jy jouself kan weerhou daarvan om
dinge persoonlik op te vat of om iemand se karakter te slag dan dink
ek nogal jy kan mense laat dink van jou wat jy wil he hulle moet dink.
> want hier is nie liggaamstaal en ander fisiese dinge wat ons gebruik
> in ons alledaagse lewe om met mense te komminikeer nie. Jy kan nie
> altyd die glimlag op die skrywer se gesig sien nie - mense soos ek wat
> swak skrywers is, moet maar gebruik maak van baie smileys om te wys
> dat ek nie ernstig of kwaad is nie - andere skryf goed genoeg om nie
> van hierdie goetertjies gebruik te maak nie. Nogsteeds - ek dink nie
> ons kan rerig verdoesel wie of wat ons is in die werklike lewe nie.
> Daarom dan begin "skinder" dalk 'n manier word om jouself in die
> pecking order te hou - selfs ten koste van ander deelnemers - of
> eerder VERAL ten koste van ander deelnemers?
ek dink dit is die beauty van die net, jy kan dit vir of teen jou laat
werk. jy kan inligting deel wat jy wil deel anders as in die werklike
lewe waar iemand dinge oor jou kan uitkrap as hy lank genoeg aan jou
karring. meeste mense met wie ek kommunikeer weet meer van my as ek
van hulle (agv my website) maar dit is dinge wat ek nie omgee dat
hulle weet nie. so die vraag bly, skinder ek? wanneer is dit skinder
en wanneer is dit inligting uitruil? ek dink as jy nie sal wil he dat
dit wat jy gese het oor `n persoon by hulle moet uitkom nie, is dit
skinder. as ek reg is dan ja ek het al geskinder maar ek is nie `n
gewoonte skindernaar (nuwe woord) nie.
>> dis nou beskeie opinie en julle is geregtig daarop.
>
> Niks verkeerd met JOU selfbeeld nie!! :-)) Bly om te hoor dat jy voel
> ons is geregtig daarop. :-))
>
dis nou een ding wat ek nie kan wegsteek nie.
Threeships 'did you see that?' McDuck
www.mothership.co.za
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