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Wo, 04 Augustus 2004 03:14  |
Willem-Jan Markerink
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Didn't see anything yet on this topic here yet....is this news so fresh?
Let's see if I can find an English text too....ah yes, where would we be
without Google-News....:))
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&t ab=wn&newsclusterurl=http://www.news24.com/News24/South_ Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1567398,00.html
Now Mr. Mandela, where does that leave your holocaust-comment about Irak?
Isn't it nice, that Al-Quaida brings that holocaust back at your doorstep?
What a service, eh?
http://www.nu.nl/news.jsp?n=372382&c=25
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Zuid-Afrikanen wilden aanslagen plegen op toeristen
Uitgegeven: 3 augustus 2004 21:58
ISLAMABAD - De twee Zuid-Afrikanen die onlangs zijn gearresteerd in de
Pakistaanse stad Gujrat, wilden terroristische aanslagen plegen in
Johannesburg. Abu Bakar en Zubair Ismail, lid van het terreurnetwerk
al-Qaeda, waren van plan toeristische plekken in de Zuid-Afrikaanse stad
aan te vallen.
Dat heeft een Pakistaanse beveiligingsfunctionaris dinsdag gezegd.
Politieagenten pakten de twee vorige week op, tegelijk met de Tanzaniaan
Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani.
Ambassade
De Verenigde Staten verdenken Ghailani van betrokkenheid bij de aanslagen
op Amerikaanse ambassades in Kenia en Tanzania in 1998, waardoor ruim
tweehonderd mensen overleden.
Ghailani heeft zijn Pakistaanse ondervragers verteld dat hij van plan was
aanslagen te plegen op Pakistaanse hoogwaardigheidsbekleders en op
belangrijke doelen in de omgeving van Islamabad. Dat meldde dinsdag een
Pakistaanse veiligheidsfunctionaris.
Wraak
Daarmee zou hij wraak hebben willen nemen voor de harde aanpak door
Islamabad van al-Qaeda. Ghailani zou onder meer hebben toegegeven
zelfmoordterroristen te hebben opgeleid.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1 567398,00.html
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Jo'burg terror attacks planned
03/08/2004 16:12 - (SA)
Islamabad - Two South Africans in Pakistani custody have told
interrogators they had planned to attack tourist sites in Johannesburg, a
security official said on Tuesday.
"They had hatched a plot to carry out terrorist attacks on Johannesburg's
main tourist sites," the official, who is familiar with the interrogation,
told AFP.
The pair - Abu Bakar and Zubair Ismail - were arrested last week in the
eastern Pakistani city of Gujrat along with Tanzanian al-Qaeda operative
Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, indicted by the United States over the 1998
bombings of US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam.
Bakar, a doctor, and Ismail, described as new recruits to Osama bin
Laden's terror network, had arrived in Pakistan's second largest city of
Lahore early July, the official said on condition of anonymity.
They joined Ghailani in Gujrat, 160km southeast of Islamabad, and together
hid out in a rented house.
The house was stormed by police commandoes on July 25 and after an eight
hour shootout the pair were arrested with Ghailani, his Uzbek wife, three
other women and some Pakistani "facilitators."
Maps, foreign currency, computers, computer discs and Arabic-language
documents were found in his hideout, another security official said.
Information Minister Sheikh Rashid said the information on the computer
was "valuable" and had been passed on to Pakistan's "friends", a reference
to its close war on terrorism ally the United States.
Edited by Elmarie Jack
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Bye,
Willem-Jan Markerink
The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
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| Re: Al-Quaida plans to attack SA-tourists in J'burg? [boodskap #96073 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #96022] |
Wo, 04 Augustus 2004 14:59  |
Ferdi Greyling
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It is not news because the information has been mainly discredited in
SA.
On 4 Aug 2004 03:14:46 GMT, "Willem-Jan Markerink"
wrote:
> Didn't see anything yet on this topic here yet....is this news so fresh?
> Let's see if I can find an English text too....ah yes, where would we be
> without Google-News....:))
>
> http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&t ab=wn&newsclusterurl=http://www.news24.com/News24/South_ Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1567398,00.html
>
>
> Now Mr. Mandela, where does that leave your holocaust-comment about Irak?
> Isn't it nice, that Al-Quaida brings that holocaust back at your doorstep?
> What a service, eh?
>
>
> http://www.nu.nl/news.jsp?n=372382&c=25
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Zuid-Afrikanen wilden aanslagen plegen op toeristen
>
> Uitgegeven: 3 augustus 2004 21:58
> ISLAMABAD - De twee Zuid-Afrikanen die onlangs zijn gearresteerd in de
> Pakistaanse stad Gujrat, wilden terroristische aanslagen plegen in
> Johannesburg. Abu Bakar en Zubair Ismail, lid van het terreurnetwerk
> al-Qaeda, waren van plan toeristische plekken in de Zuid-Afrikaanse stad
> aan te vallen.
>
> Dat heeft een Pakistaanse beveiligingsfunctionaris dinsdag gezegd.
> Politieagenten pakten de twee vorige week op, tegelijk met de Tanzaniaan
> Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani.
>
> Ambassade
>
> De Verenigde Staten verdenken Ghailani van betrokkenheid bij de aanslagen
> op Amerikaanse ambassades in Kenia en Tanzania in 1998, waardoor ruim
> tweehonderd mensen overleden.
>
> Ghailani heeft zijn Pakistaanse ondervragers verteld dat hij van plan was
> aanslagen te plegen op Pakistaanse hoogwaardigheidsbekleders en op
> belangrijke doelen in de omgeving van Islamabad. Dat meldde dinsdag een
> Pakistaanse veiligheidsfunctionaris.
>
> Wraak
>
> Daarmee zou hij wraak hebben willen nemen voor de harde aanpak door
> Islamabad van al-Qaeda. Ghailani zou onder meer hebben toegegeven
> zelfmoordterroristen te hebben opgeleid.
>
>
>
> http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1 567398,00.html
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Jo'burg terror attacks planned
> 03/08/2004 16:12 - (SA)
>
> Islamabad - Two South Africans in Pakistani custody have told
> interrogators they had planned to attack tourist sites in Johannesburg, a
> security official said on Tuesday.
>
> "They had hatched a plot to carry out terrorist attacks on Johannesburg's
> main tourist sites," the official, who is familiar with the interrogation,
> told AFP.
>
> The pair - Abu Bakar and Zubair Ismail - were arrested last week in the
> eastern Pakistani city of Gujrat along with Tanzanian al-Qaeda operative
> Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, indicted by the United States over the 1998
> bombings of US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam.
>
> Bakar, a doctor, and Ismail, described as new recruits to Osama bin
> Laden's terror network, had arrived in Pakistan's second largest city of
> Lahore early July, the official said on condition of anonymity.
>
> They joined Ghailani in Gujrat, 160km southeast of Islamabad, and together
> hid out in a rented house.
>
> The house was stormed by police commandoes on July 25 and after an eight
> hour shootout the pair were arrested with Ghailani, his Uzbek wife, three
> other women and some Pakistani "facilitators."
>
> Maps, foreign currency, computers, computer discs and Arabic-language
> documents were found in his hideout, another security official said.
>
> Information Minister Sheikh Rashid said the information on the computer
> was "valuable" and had been passed on to Pakistan's "friends", a reference
> to its close war on terrorism ally the United States.
>
> Edited by Elmarie Jack
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| Re: Al-Quaida plans to attack SA-tourists in J'burg? [boodskap #96103 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #96073] |
Wo, 04 Augustus 2004 22:09 |
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Ferdi Greyling wrote:
> On 4 Aug 2004 03:14:46 GMT, "Willem-Jan Markerink"
> wrote:
>
>> Didn't see anything yet on this topic here yet....is this news so fresh?
>> Let's see if I can find an English text too....ah yes, where would we be
>> without Google-News....:))
>> http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&t ab=wn&newsclusterurl=http://www.news24.com/News24/South_ Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1567398,00.html
>> Now Mr. Mandela, where does that leave your holocaust-comment about Irak?
>> Isn't it nice, that Al-Quaida brings that holocaust back at your doorstep?
>> What a service, eh?
>> http://www.nu.nl/news.jsp?n=372382&c=25
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Zuid-Afrikanen wilden aanslagen plegen op toeristen
>> Uitgegeven: 3 augustus 2004 21:58
>> ISLAMABAD - De twee Zuid-Afrikanen die onlangs zijn gearresteerd in de
>> Pakistaanse stad Gujrat, wilden terroristische aanslagen plegen in
>> Johannesburg. Abu Bakar en Zubair Ismail, lid van het terreurnetwerk
>> al-Qaeda, waren van plan toeristische plekken in de Zuid-Afrikaanse stad
>> aan te vallen.
>> Dat heeft een Pakistaanse beveiligingsfunctionaris dinsdag gezegd.
>> Politieagenten pakten de twee vorige week op, tegelijk met de Tanzaniaan
>> Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani.
>> Ambassade
>> De Verenigde Staten verdenken Ghailani van betrokkenheid bij de aanslagen
>> op Amerikaanse ambassades in Kenia en Tanzania in 1998, waardoor ruim
>> tweehonderd mensen overleden.
>> Ghailani heeft zijn Pakistaanse ondervragers verteld dat hij van plan was
>> aanslagen te plegen op Pakistaanse hoogwaardigheidsbekleders en op
>> belangrijke doelen in de omgeving van Islamabad. Dat meldde dinsdag een
>> Pakistaanse veiligheidsfunctionaris.
>> Wraak
>> Daarmee zou hij wraak hebben willen nemen voor de harde aanpak door
>> Islamabad van al-Qaeda. Ghailani zou onder meer hebben toegegeven
>> zelfmoordterroristen te hebben opgeleid.
>> http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1 567398,00.html
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Jo'burg terror attacks planned
>> 03/08/2004 16:12 - (SA)
>> Islamabad - Two South Africans in Pakistani custody have told
>> interrogators they had planned to attack tourist sites in Johannesburg, a
>> security official said on Tuesday.
>> "They had hatched a plot to carry out terrorist attacks on Johannesburg's
>> main tourist sites," the official, who is familiar with the interrogation,
>> told AFP.
>> The pair - Abu Bakar and Zubair Ismail - were arrested last week in the
>> eastern Pakistani city of Gujrat along with Tanzanian al-Qaeda operative
>> Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, indicted by the United States over the 1998
>> bombings of US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam.
>> Bakar, a doctor, and Ismail, described as new recruits to Osama bin
>> Laden's terror network, had arrived in Pakistan's second largest city of
>> Lahore early July, the official said on condition of anonymity.
>> They joined Ghailani in Gujrat, 160km southeast of Islamabad, and together
>> hid out in a rented house.
>> The house was stormed by police commandoes on July 25 and after an eight
>> hour shootout the pair were arrested with Ghailani, his Uzbek wife, three
>> other women and some Pakistani "facilitators."
>> Maps, foreign currency, computers, computer discs and Arabic-language
>> documents were found in his hideout, another security official said.
>> Information Minister Sheikh Rashid said the information on the computer
>> was "valuable" and had been passed on to Pakistan's "friends", a reference
>> to its close war on terrorism ally the United States.
>> Edited by Elmarie Jack
>
> It is not news because the information has been mainly discredited in
> SA.
>
>
"Mainly"? All I saw was someone on TV news saying he knew the boys, they
were nice boys, and they would never do something horrible like that. Well
he would, wouldn't he? He doesn't want to think badly of them. Not exactly
an objective view, I think. So wouldn't "slightly discredited" be more like
it?
Now where do the source of the proximate facts of this incident reside? In
Pakistan, surely? Not in South Africa. So any discrediting of any merit
would then surely need to be done in Pakistan? Or if it is done in South
Africa, you'd expect to learn that everything was tortured out of them by
the Pakistani secret police, surely? So far as I'm concerned it's still
news. That sort-of discredits it at the outset ...
I know a lot of the naughtier young Muslim lads from South Africa get sent
to Pakistan for a wake-up. They also get sent there to remove scandal from
the family in South Africa. Generally the guys who take up drinking and
carousing are the ones who "go to university" in Pakistan. Sad thing is
that often when they get to Pakistan they discover the joys of cheap
opiates ...
Anyway, I'll grant the possibility that these are just disgraced sons of
embarrassed families who ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time
(perhaps trying to score heroin from the hill tribes?). But that's only a
possibility to place against the hard fact that they were hanging out with
the scum of the earth at the time of their arrest.
To the credit of TV news, they edited in the comment of the lawyer of the
so-called mercenaries Robert Mugabe is conducting his show trial on in
Zimbabwe at the moment. He noted that while the Constitutional Court has
held that the government doesn't have to protect your rights when you're
out of the country, the government is falling over itself trying to protect
these guys up in Pakistan. The discrimination is blatant. Or are
mercenaries guilty at the moment they're accused, where terrorists are not
guilty till proven guilty?
I smell a foul reek round that whole mercenary case. Mugabe badly needs an
umthakathi to distract the unwashed masses around election time next year,
and what more convenient demon than a band of mercenaries on their way to
overthrow the legitimate dictator of another African country? And lo,
shortly before those elections, a band of such mercenaries just about
deliver themselves up into his arms. Apparently on a tipoff from South
African spooks. Who presumably then would've had some dirt on them here in
South Africa, and could've arrested them here. Unless there wasn't enough
evidence to sustain a conviction in a judicial environment which demands
the normal high standard of proof in criminal cases. In which case you
wonder whether there's really any case (properly so called) against them in
Zim. Or whether they're only guilty because of the low standard of proof
their accusers have been put to in Zim.
All with the collusion of our Secret Police. It stinks, and it give me the
heebies.
--
Slow Eddy
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| Re: Al-Quaida plans to attack SA-tourists in J'burg? [boodskap #96109 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #96022] |
Do, 05 Augustus 2004 00:03 |
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On 4 Aug 2004 03:14:46 GMT, "Willem-Jan Markerink"
wrote:
> Didn't see anything yet on this topic here yet....is this news so fresh?
> Let's see if I can find an English text too....ah yes, where would we be
> without Google-News....:))
>
> http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&t ab=wn&newsclusterurl=http://www.news24.com/News24/South_ Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1567398,00.html
>
>
> Now Mr. Mandela, where does that leave your holocaust-comment about Irak?
> Isn't it nice, that Al-Quaida brings that holocaust back at your doorstep?
> What a service, eh?
>
>
> http://www.nu.nl/news.jsp?n=372382&c=25
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Zuid-Afrikanen wilden aanslagen plegen op toeristen
>
> Uitgegeven: 3 augustus 2004 21:58
> ISLAMABAD - De twee Zuid-Afrikanen die onlangs zijn gearresteerd in de
> Pakistaanse stad Gujrat, wilden terroristische aanslagen plegen in
> Johannesburg. Abu Bakar en Zubair Ismail, lid van het terreurnetwerk
> al-Qaeda, waren van plan toeristische plekken in de Zuid-Afrikaanse stad
> aan te vallen.
>
> Dat heeft een Pakistaanse beveiligingsfunctionaris dinsdag gezegd.
> Politieagenten pakten de twee vorige week op, tegelijk met de Tanzaniaan
> Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani.
>
> Ambassade
>
> De Verenigde Staten verdenken Ghailani van betrokkenheid bij de aanslagen
> op Amerikaanse ambassades in Kenia en Tanzania in 1998, waardoor ruim
> tweehonderd mensen overleden.
>
> Ghailani heeft zijn Pakistaanse ondervragers verteld dat hij van plan was
> aanslagen te plegen op Pakistaanse hoogwaardigheidsbekleders en op
> belangrijke doelen in de omgeving van Islamabad. Dat meldde dinsdag een
> Pakistaanse veiligheidsfunctionaris.
>
> Wraak
>
> Daarmee zou hij wraak hebben willen nemen voor de harde aanpak door
> Islamabad van al-Qaeda. Ghailani zou onder meer hebben toegegeven
> zelfmoordterroristen te hebben opgeleid.
>
>
>
> http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1 567398,00.html
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Jo'burg terror attacks planned
> 03/08/2004 16:12 - (SA)
>
> Islamabad - Two South Africans in Pakistani custody have told
> interrogators they had planned to attack tourist sites in Johannesburg, a
> security official said on Tuesday.
>
> "They had hatched a plot to carry out terrorist attacks on Johannesburg's
> main tourist sites," the official, who is familiar with the interrogation,
> told AFP.
>
> The pair - Abu Bakar and Zubair Ismail - were arrested last week in the
> eastern Pakistani city of Gujrat along with Tanzanian al-Qaeda operative
> Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, indicted by the United States over the 1998
> bombings of US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam.
>
> Bakar, a doctor, and Ismail, described as new recruits to Osama bin
> Laden's terror network, had arrived in Pakistan's second largest city of
> Lahore early July, the official said on condition of anonymity.
>
> They joined Ghailani in Gujrat, 160km southeast of Islamabad, and together
> hid out in a rented house.
>
> The house was stormed by police commandoes on July 25 and after an eight
> hour shootout the pair were arrested with Ghailani, his Uzbek wife, three
> other women and some Pakistani "facilitators."
>
> Maps, foreign currency, computers, computer discs and Arabic-language
> documents were found in his hideout, another security official said.
>
> Information Minister Sheikh Rashid said the information on the computer
> was "valuable" and had been passed on to Pakistan's "friends", a reference
> to its close war on terrorism ally the United States.
>
> Edited by Elmarie Jack
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Camel
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| Re: Al-Quaida plans to attack SA-tourists in J'burg? [boodskap #96187 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #96022] |
Do, 05 Augustus 2004 21:05 |
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Slow Eddy wrote in
news:upauec.0228.ln@verdun.local:
> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>
>> Slow Eddy wrote in
>> news:2vmrec.bv18.ln@verdun.local:
>>> "Mainly"? All I saw was someone on TV news saying he knew the boys,
>>> they were nice boys, and they would never do something horrible like
>>> that.
>> Reminds me of the two Dutch islamic boys, who died in Pakistan, 'for
>> unknown reason', according to their entire family and circle of
>> friends. Turned out to be the archetype terrorists-in-the-making, full
>> speed ahead for a training course....
>> 'Such nice boys don't do things like that, never!'
> I can understand it, though. What mother is going to accept that her son
> has turned into a psychotic piece of shit without first going through
> terrible struggles with herself?
Mothers dressed in black tents know fully well that their sons are turning
into pieces of shit, with no regard for females.
(there is currently an uproar in Holland about such medieval tarts
demanding woman-only swim-hours in their local town, because they regard
normal bathing suits as 'naked'....while their very sons and husbands are
the main reason why normal woman-only swim-hours are needed in the first
place)
> I suppose that somewhere further toward the perimeter of the circle you
> get people who just cast doubts for the sake of supporting "their"
> community, and separating themselves from "Dutch" society (a kind of
> voluntary apartheid quite common in this world).
>
> We tend to think that nice boys can't do horrible things. But sometimes
> the Afrikaans saying, "Stille waters, diepe grond, onder draai die
> Duiwel rond", applies.
--
Bye,
Willem-Jan Markerink
The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
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| Re: Al-Quaida plans to attack SA-tourists in J'burg? [boodskap #96191 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #96022] |
Do, 05 Augustus 2004 21:37 |
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Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
> Slow Eddy wrote in
> news:2vmrec.bv18.ln@verdun.local:
>
>> "Mainly"? All I saw was someone on TV news saying he knew the boys, they
>> were nice boys, and they would never do something horrible like that.
>
> Reminds me of the two Dutch islamic boys, who died in Pakistan, 'for
> unknown reason', according to their entire family and circle of friends.
> Turned out to be the archetype terrorists-in-the-making, full speed ahead
> for a training course....
> 'Such nice boys don't do things like that, never!'
>
I can understand it, though. What mother is going to accept that her son has
turned into a psychotic piece of shit without first going through terrible
struggles with herself?
I suppose that somewhere further toward the perimeter of the circle you get
people who just cast doubts for the sake of supporting "their" community,
and separating themselves from "Dutch" society (a kind of voluntary
apartheid quite common in this world).
We tend to think that nice boys can't do horrible things. But sometimes the
Afrikaans saying, "Stille waters, diepe grond, onder draai die Duiwel
rond", applies.
--
Slow Eddy
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| Re: Al-Quaida plans to attack SA-tourists in J'burg? [boodskap #96283 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #96022] |
Sa, 07 Augustus 2004 17:31 |
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Ferdi Greyling skryf in boodskap news:...
> On 4 Aug 2004 23:40:20 GMT, "Willem-Jan Markerink"
> wrote:
>
> > news:bdu1h09nqhajlk...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> It is not news because the information has been mainly discredited in
>>> SA.
>>
>> Yeah, they do that kind of thing down there, don't they?
>> One SA islamic group was already pretty quick to dismiss it, but without any
>> argument other than 'bombing SA would be silly'.
>> As if bombing any civilian would *not* be silly.
>> And as if tourists in Africa haven't been targetted before.>
>
> Warra warra warra
Gemeet teen normale jou normale laerskool reaksies is die omtrent op graad 2 vlak.
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| Re: Al-Quaida plans to attack SA-tourists in J'burg? [boodskap #96285 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #96283] |
Sa, 07 Augustus 2004 18:00 |
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Lou wrote:
> Ferdi Greyling skryf in boodskap news:...
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>> On 4 Aug 2004 23:40:20 GMT, "Willem-Jan Markerink"
>> wrote:
>> >> news:bdu1h09nqhajlk...@4ax.com:
>
>
>>>> It is not news because the information has been mainly discredited in
>>>> SA.
>
>>> Yeah, they do that kind of thing down there, don't they?
>>> One SA islamic group was already pretty quick to dismiss it, but without any
>>> argument other than 'bombing SA would be silly'.
>>> As if bombing any civilian would *not* be silly.
>>> And as if tourists in Africa haven't been targetted before.>
>> Warra warra warra
>
>
> Gemeet teen normale jou normale laerskool reaksies is die omtrent op graad 2 vlak.
Ja, ferdi is 'n regte poephol.
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| Re: Al-Quaida plans to attack SA-tourists in J'burg? [boodskap #96323 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #96022] |
So, 08 Augustus 2004 13:10 |
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:42:36 +0000, Slow Eddy
wrote:
>> But anyway, how do you rate people who plan to attack the SA economy
>> by whacking the Carlton Centre?
>
> Now that's interesting. You'd think that a well-informed terrorist
> organization would know that the Carlton Centre was already - for all
> practical purposes - whacked already. (A giant own goal, one could say). So
> I'd say people like that were crazy. But then that's pretty much what Al
> Quaeder is, isn't it?
So I suppose you take the Boeramg even more seriously because as the
Al Qaida thing rests on a unknown Pakistani journalist quoting an
unknown Pakistani official who is quoting fuck knows who, the Boeremag
plans are the subject of cross examination in court.
Did you see in that case that one Henk van Zyl got the job (in the
plan) to "take Bloemfontein" after recruiting 20 helpers. There he had
to take the SABC, start broadcasting, take over the Tempe army base
and after that move to Bethlehem to take over the local commando.
It does seem this is rather detail plans compared to the docter and
his buddy in Karachi.
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So, 08 Augustus 2004 14:29 |
Jordan[2]
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Ferdi Greyling wrote:
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> Did you see in that case that one Henk van Zyl got the job (in the
> plan) to "take Bloemfontein" after recruiting 20 helpers. There he had
> to take the SABC, start broadcasting, take over the Tempe army base
> and after that move to Bethlehem to take over the local commando.
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And our generaal Henk was going to "take" bloemfontein with 20 helpers?
You believed that? The court believed that?
Ferdi you are sadly the most stupid person I have ever met.
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So, 08 Augustus 2004 14:39 |
Ferdi Greyling
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Ah!!!
You are seeing the light!!!
You see, it is obviously fucking ridiculous to think they can even
begin to do it.
Now what is the difference between these right wing jokers and the two
SA'ns in Pakistan?
The right wing jokers actually had a plan. The "Al Quedi twins" in
Pakistan only had an idea - according to a Pakistani journalist who
spoke to a Pakistani official.
Even though the right wing clowns had a plan, it was and is silly to
think of it as imminent or realistic.
And you are right to find it funny. It is more humour than plan.
Now why would you take the ideas - mere thoughts - of a 30 year old
doctor from Pretoria and his 20 year old side kick who went to
Pakistan as a serious threat to the safety of South Africa?
Do you understand what I am saying?
I am saying: Look at how stupid these Boeremag dudes are and they had
a "plan" - the existence of which was proven.
Now see how far fetched the "Al Queda threat" as reported from
Pakistan is.
On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 16:29:48 +0200, Jordan wrote:
> Ferdi Greyling wrote:
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>> Did you see in that case that one Henk van Zyl got the job (in the
>> plan) to "take Bloemfontein" after recruiting 20 helpers. There he had
>> to take the SABC, start broadcasting, take over the Tempe army base
>> and after that move to Bethlehem to take over the local commando.
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> And our generaal Henk was going to "take" bloemfontein with 20 helpers?
>
> You believed that? The court believed that?
>
> Ferdi you are sadly the most stupid person I have ever met.
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So, 08 Augustus 2004 18:41 |
Slow Eddy
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Ferdi Greyling wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:42:36 +0000, Slow Eddy
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> But anyway, how do you rate people who plan to attack the SA
> economy
>>> by whacking the Carlton Centre?
>> Now that's interesting. You'd think that a well-informed terrorist
>> organization would know that the Carlton Centre was already - for all
>> practical purposes - whacked already. (A giant own goal, one could say).
>> So I'd say people like that were crazy. But then that's pretty much what
>> Al Quaeder is, isn't it?
>
> So I suppose you take the Boeramg even more seriously because as the
> Al Qaida thing rests on a unknown Pakistani journalist quoting an
> unknown Pakistani official who is quoting fuck knows who, the Boeremag
> plans are the subject of cross examination in court.
>
The Boeremag gives me grillings. That lot are very dangerous. Far more
dangerous than Al Quaeda. For the time being, we're safe because they've
got big holes in their internal security. (ie. among those poephols are men
and women willing to risk their lives for their country, and gather info on
the plans such as those exposed). The spirit of the Boeremag is not going
to vanish while the phase in which the government discriminates against
white people continues - regardless of the merits or not of that
discrimination. There are probably enough sympathisers now mobilized by
seeing the Boeremag put on trial to start it all again. And these okes are
not all stupid. So they're likely now already tightened up and better
organized. So in short, I'd guess that the likeliest next terrorist bombing
in this country will be perpetrated by Boeremag-style terrorists, rather
than Al Quaada terrorists. Who knows? It might kill me.
But the existence of the Boeremag would appear to me to be a completely
independent incident to the arrest of some South Africans in Pakistan.
There's no connection. And the merits of that arrest surely are not
amenable to the kind of "instant refutation" the SABC and government were
so quick to offer.
If what you're saying is that it's not certain whether in fact these guys
actually have been hauled in as Al Quaeda suspects, of course, then
obviously the whole story was a baseless rumour. But that's another matter
altogether. And it's not the story TV news has been pushing from the minute
the story came in. So regardless of what the ultimate result is, the TV
news response is still downright odd. And the government's reported action
is also very strange, hot on the heels of a Constitutional Court decision
that says they have no duty to look after you once you're outside this
country.
> Did you see in that case that one Henk van Zyl got the job (in the
> plan) to "take Bloemfontein" after recruiting 20 helpers. There he had
> to take the SABC, start broadcasting, take over the Tempe army base
> and after that move to Bethlehem to take over the local commando.
>
No, I missed that one. So far these operations have been as badly planned as
the invasion of Bophetikozweti way back when, but the fact that lessons
will be learnt (and not the lesson that it's best to make the best of the
situation we're now in) worries me. There's probably a lot of money
available, internationally, for right-wing terrorism, so it's not as if the
funds for this kind of thing are going to dry up all of a sudden.
> It does seem this is rather detail plans compared to the docter and
> his buddy in Karachi.
The plans mentioned on TV news certainly sounded rather vague and
undirected. However, if they were busy trying to work out some SA Al Quaeda
operation when the Pakistanis crashed in through their door, then the story
immediately launched on this side that they were good, clean boys just out
for some fun in the hills of Pakistan is false, isn't it?
Half-baked plans are only slightly less likely than clever ones. Their
half-bakedness doesn't make them non-existent and imaginary. Wouldn't it be
weird for a Pakistani journalist to know what the "Carlton Centre" was, on
the other side? I doubt if even many Kenyans know what the "Carlton Centre"
is. That building isn't exactly a famous architectural landmark like the
Petronas Towers. Test yourself: What's the biggest building in Sydney
called?
And look at the non-imaginary half-baked plans of the Boeremag. Some are so
dreamy and vague, I thought to ask ,"rook Oom boom?", when I heard what
they allegedly were.
--
Slow Eddy
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