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| Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #88762] |
So, 04 Januarie 2004 03:14  |
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I have to agree with your assessment of the arriving boers -
filled with an air of self importance and expecting everyone to
cowtow to their demands. I have noted it very strongly here in
Australia ... they get off the plane and start wanting to bos
everyone around like they own the place. After a few weeks they
congregate as a few strong holds of afrikanerdom (yes the "DOM"
bit seems quite appropriate), like the South African Club. The
South African Club for those unfamiliar with the instritution is
where home-sick tannies and ooms go to swop potjiekos and
koeksuster recipes and reminisce about the maids and garden boys
that they left behind. It surprises me that with these
characteristics on display, that the afrikaners don't get it
that they are behaving innapropriately.
The English however are not party to such banal antics,
preferring instead to jump in and assimilate (MIX - for boers
not up on English). The benefit of this is that English speakers
are eager to embrace the ways of their adopted country and see
how they may contribute and assist in building in for the
benefit of all. This goes hand-in-hand with national pride (not
sure that is a word familiar to those living in SAfrica today).
As far as wanting to make plank a languate to learn in NZ
schools - the cheek of even asking is bizarre enough. Do the
boers really think that they are important enough to have their
language actually promoted - let alone tolerated in this first
world country. I would actually put afrikaans on the same level
as Black American ghetto (Rap) talk - sort of made up as it goes
along type - always stealing words from other language (think IT
technology here).
Bye Bye now...
Nude Raider
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| Re: Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #88774 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88762] |
So, 04 Januarie 2004 17:26  |
Andrew Taylor
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Tante, jammer vir my Engels... but the English always stick together
when they live abroad, never mixing with the local inhabitants! I have
lived all around the world over a fifteen year period and always
avoided the Brit ex-pats even though I was one myself! If you change
the names below, and the types of recipes, this could almost have been
written about the Brits! I woulkd hazard a guess that this guy has
been spurned by Afrikaners which is why he hates them so, perhaps by a
goed boer meisie who knew where her interests were and gave him his
marching orders. I really don't want to resort to English here which
is why I put this guy in my killfile ages ago.
Totsiens
Andrew
On 4 Jan 2004 03:14:10 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
(Nude Raider) wrote:
> I have to agree with your assessment of the arriving boers -
> filled with an air of self importance and expecting everyone to
> cowtow to their demands. I have noted it very strongly here in
> Australia ... they get off the plane and start wanting to bos
> everyone around like they own the place. After a few weeks they
> congregate as a few strong holds of afrikanerdom (yes the "DOM"
> bit seems quite appropriate), like the South African Club. The
> South African Club for those unfamiliar with the instritution is
> where home-sick tannies and ooms go to swop potjiekos and
> koeksuster recipes and reminisce about the maids and garden boys
> that they left behind. It surprises me that with these
> characteristics on display, that the afrikaners don't get it
> that they are behaving innapropriately.
>
> The English however are not party to such banal antics,
> preferring instead to jump in and assimilate (MIX - for boers
> not up on English). The benefit of this is that English speakers
> are eager to embrace the ways of their adopted country and see
> how they may contribute and assist in building in for the
> benefit of all. This goes hand-in-hand with national pride (not
> sure that is a word familiar to those living in SAfrica today).
>
> As far as wanting to make plank a languate to learn in NZ
> schools - the cheek of even asking is bizarre enough. Do the
> boers really think that they are important enough to have their
> language actually promoted - let alone tolerated in this first
> world country. I would actually put afrikaans on the same level
> as Black American ghetto (Rap) talk - sort of made up as it goes
> along type - always stealing words from other language (think IT
> technology here).
>
> Bye Bye now...
>
> Nude Raider
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| Re: Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #88781 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88774] |
So, 04 Januarie 2004 18:39 |
Ellie
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Andrew, dis nie net die Engelse wat so saam '' stick ' nie hoor, almal doen
dit maar, dis net maar hoe dinge is.
Selfs hier waar ek woon ken al die Suid-Afrikaners mekaar, nie dat ons nie
baie ander vriende ook het nie, maar ons woon altyd die S.Aners se troues,
begrafnisse en verjaarsdae by. Sommige hou mens minder van as ander, maar
omdat meeste van ons nie familie hier het nie, is dit nogal lekker om met
veral die ouer garde te kuier, en die Afrikaners het darem n lekker sin vir
humor, mens kan lag vir sommige uitdrukkings.
Ellie
"Andrew Taylor" skryf in boodskap news:3eigvv0545nvdk9cd7feu8cl2eirjn6r8r@4ax.com...
> Tante, jammer vir my Engels... but the English always stick together
> when they live abroad, never mixing with the local inhabitants! I have
> lived all around the world over a fifteen year period and always
> avoided the Brit ex-pats even though I was one myself! If you change
> the names below, and the types of recipes, this could almost have been
> written about the Brits! I woulkd hazard a guess that this guy has
> been spurned by Afrikaners which is why he hates them so, perhaps by a
> goed boer meisie who knew where her interests were and gave him his
> marching orders. I really don't want to resort to English here which
> is why I put this guy in my killfile ages ago.
>
> Totsiens
>
> Andrew
>
> On 4 Jan 2004 03:14:10 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
> (Nude Raider) wrote:
>
>> I have to agree with your assessment of the arriving boers -
>> filled with an air of self importance and expecting everyone to
>> cowtow to their demands. I have noted it very strongly here in
>> Australia ... they get off the plane and start wanting to bos
>> everyone around like they own the place. After a few weeks they
>> congregate as a few strong holds of afrikanerdom (yes the "DOM"
>> bit seems quite appropriate), like the South African Club. The
>> South African Club for those unfamiliar with the instritution is
>> where home-sick tannies and ooms go to swop potjiekos and
>> koeksuster recipes and reminisce about the maids and garden boys
>> that they left behind. It surprises me that with these
>> characteristics on display, that the afrikaners don't get it
>> that they are behaving innapropriately.
>>
>> The English however are not party to such banal antics,
>> preferring instead to jump in and assimilate (MIX - for boers
>> not up on English). The benefit of this is that English speakers
>> are eager to embrace the ways of their adopted country and see
>> how they may contribute and assist in building in for the
>> benefit of all. This goes hand-in-hand with national pride (not
>> sure that is a word familiar to those living in SAfrica today).
>>
>> As far as wanting to make plank a languate to learn in NZ
>> schools - the cheek of even asking is bizarre enough. Do the
>> boers really think that they are important enough to have their
>> language actually promoted - let alone tolerated in this first
>> world country. I would actually put afrikaans on the same level
>> as Black American ghetto (Rap) talk - sort of made up as it goes
>> along type - always stealing words from other language (think IT
>> technology here).
>>
>> Bye Bye now...
>>
>> Nude Raider
>
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| Re: Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #88784 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88781] |
So, 04 Januarie 2004 19:29 |
Katryn
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"Ellie" wrote:
> Andrew, dis nie net die Engelse wat so saam '' stick ' nie hoor, almal doen
> dit maar, dis net maar hoe dinge is.
Nee, definitief nie almal nie.
> Selfs hier waar ek woon ken al die Suid-Afrikaners mekaar, nie dat ons nie
Dalk is dit hoe julle in Alabama dinge doen. En dan is ek seker daar
is ook Suid Afrikaners in Birmingham wat nié deel is van julle kliek
nie?
Eintlik dink ek is dit 'n persoonlike voorkeur wat mense het, en het
dit meer met die individu te doen as iets anders.
Ek persoonlik vermy enige Suid Afrikaanse klubs en klieks soos die
pes. Ons was al 'n paar keer gekontak deur Suid Afrikaners in die
omgewing en gevra om aan te sluit by hierdie of daardie ding, en dan
antwoord my man gewoonlik in Frans. Dit is die maklikste en vinnigste
manier om van die neuseriges kliekers ontslae te raak.
But each to his/her own nè?
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| Re: Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #88785 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88784] |
So, 04 Januarie 2004 20:06 |
Katryn
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Katryn wrote:
> . Dit is die maklikste en vinnigste
> manier om van die neuserige(s) kliekers ontslae te raak.
> But each to his/her own nè?
Skuus, dit mos sonder die "s"gewees het, en al die ander foute is
omdat ek vinnig getik het. Verskonings verskonings....:-)
Wou ook net graag byvoeg dat ek darem wel Suid Afrikaanse kennisse
hier het, en ons hou baie van hulle. Maar ek dink dit is omdat hulle
eerstens dieselfde sosiale waardes as ons het, en tweedens omdat hulle
ook soos ons niks van klieks en nosy expats hou nie.
Hulle het na Amerika gekom om Amerikaners te word en nie om Suid
Afrikaners te bly wat in Amerika woon nie. Maar dan moet ek sê dat
hulle Engelse Suid Afrikaners is wat altyd vreeslik hard probeer om
Afrikaans met my te praat. Gie gie....
Interessant noudat ek daaraan dink....
Ek wonder of daar meer Afrikaanse klubs is hier in Amerika as Engelse
Suid Afrikaanse klubs. Gewoonlik meng die twee mos nie juis nie.
Ek moet rerig probeer uitvind. Dit sal interessant wees.
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| Re: Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #88814 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88785] |
Ma, 05 Januarie 2004 12:08 |
Lorinta Zonia
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Snaaks dat reg oor die wereld die mense van soortgelyke agtergronde
tog saam 'kliek' kyk maar net die jode, protugese, libanese, grieke
etc. in Suid Afrika en reg oor die wereld. Snaaks dat somminge
'frikaners so 'n verskoon dat ek Afrikaans gebore is houding het - en
dan almal wat nie daardie uitkyk deel nie as half agterlik te beskou.
Dit is nou soos die mense wat onder die spoor gebore is en toe hulle
skielik ryk geword het neer te kyk op hulle afkoms.
Gun die ou mensies hulle groepe - elkeen pas aan op sy manier. Die
stukkie oor jou sogenaamde Engelse Suid Afrikaanse vriende vertel meer
or jou as wat jy dink.
Cheers
Lou
Katryn skryf in boodskap news:...
> Katryn wrote:
>> . Dit is die maklikste en vinnigste
>> manier om van die neuserige(s) kliekers ontslae te raak.
>> But each to his/her own nè?
>
> Skuus, dit mos sonder die "s"gewees het, en al die ander foute is
> omdat ek vinnig getik het. Verskonings verskonings....:-)
> Wou ook net graag byvoeg dat ek darem wel Suid Afrikaanse kennisse
> hier het, en ons hou baie van hulle. Maar ek dink dit is omdat hulle
> eerstens dieselfde sosiale waardes as ons het, en tweedens omdat hulle
> ook soos ons niks van klieks en nosy expats hou nie.
> Hulle het na Amerika gekom om Amerikaners te word en nie om Suid
> Afrikaners te bly wat in Amerika woon nie. Maar dan moet ek sê dat
> hulle Engelse Suid Afrikaners is wat altyd vreeslik hard probeer om
> Afrikaans met my te praat. Gie gie....
> Interessant noudat ek daaraan dink....
> Ek wonder of daar meer Afrikaanse klubs is hier in Amerika as Engelse
> Suid Afrikaanse klubs. Gewoonlik meng die twee mos nie juis nie.
> Ek moet rerig probeer uitvind. Dit sal interessant wees.
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| Re: Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #88820 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88814] |
Ma, 05 Januarie 2004 15:33 |
Katryn
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l...@lous.zzn.com (Lou) wrote:
> Snaaks dat reg oor die wereld die mense van soortgelyke agtergronde
> tog saam 'kliek' kyk maar net die jode, protugese, libanese, grieke
> etc. in Suid Afrika en reg oor die wereld.
Dit is 'n gegewe. Niemand stry daaroor nie.
Maar nie ALMAL doen dit nie. Ek sien geen rede waarom ek aan 'n groep
moet behoort waar ek absoluut NIKS in gemeen mee het, behalwe die feit
dat ons van dieselfde vasteland afkomstig is, en dieselfde taal praat
nie. Maar ek gun ander dit, as dit is wat hulle gelukkig maak, so be
it. Almal kan mos doen wat hulle wil. Hulle moet net nie verwag dat
ek dieselfde moet wees nie. Meer eenvoudig kan ek dit nie stel nie.
Jammer.
Nude Raider het gesê dat ALLE Afrikaans sprekendes klomp altryd saam
in klieks. Ellie het dit bevestig en dus saam met die Ozzie gestem.
Soos wat jy en ander ook doen, so dalk was hy reg hieroor. Dan wonder
mens of hy dan ook reg is oor die ander dinge wat hy gesê het?
Ek het net probeer uitwys dat as 'n Afrikaanse Afrikaner is ek nie so
nie. Maar as julle almal saamstem met die Ozzie wat julle (ons) so
probeer verneder , is dit julle probleem. Dalk is hy dan wel meer reg
as wat ek verkeerd is.
> Snaaks dat somminge
> 'frikaners so 'n verskoon dat ek Afrikaans gebore is houding het - en
> dan almal wat nie daardie uitkyk deel nie as half agterlik te beskou.
Dit is snaaks, ja. Maar to each his/her own. Wat my meer opval is
hoe maklik 'n sekere tipe Afrikaner altyd so gemaklik kan vinger wys
na ander en DINK dat die ander persoon hulle as agterlik en
minderwaardig beskou. Dit dui eintlik op 'n helse minderwaardigheids
kompleks.
Gelukkig is alle Afrikaanse Suid Afrikaners nie so nie, nè?
> Dit is nou soos die mense wat onder die spoor gebore is en toe hulle
> skielik ryk geword het neer te kyk op hulle afkoms.
As jy so sê....
> Gun die ou mensies hulle groepe - elkeen pas aan op sy manier. Die
> stukkie oor jou sogenaamde Engelse Suid Afrikaanse vriende vertel meer
> or jou as wat jy dink.
Ek dink jy lees wat JY wil lees in my woorde. Jy sal sien dat ek van
"kennisse" gepraat het. Dit is bietjie anders as "vriende" weet jy?
En wat sê dit van my?
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| Re: Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #88822 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88820] |
Ma, 05 Januarie 2004 16:24 |
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Janee jong, hierdie Afrikaners what dink hulle agterwereld stink nie, is
definitief nie mens gewoond nie.Toe die Aussies my vra," hoekom bly ek nie
in ST Lucia in die noorde van Sydney nie", se ek toe mos, " If I only want
South Africans around me then I would have stayed in South Africa, I am now
in Australia and want to live ,eat and sleep like one". Man ,ek eet nog
biltong, boerewors en pap.Maar hierdie S.A's wat hier aankom en dink dat die
Aussies hulle nou iets skuld omdat hulle hiernatoe getrek het, kan maar net
sowell terug gaan, want ons het hulle nie nodig nie. En dit meen ook hulle
geld. In my kantoor wapper die ou fierkleur waar onder ek gebore is en
waaronder my Pa vir ons vryheid geveg het in die wereld oorlog. So I will
not listen to anyone that think I am wrong ( Stubborn S.A. ) about the above
subject, rather I would recommend that they get life and mix with reality
and MANKIND. Compliments of the season to all and prosperity as well as
human kindness to each and every human.
"Katryn" skryf in boodskap news:lmvivvcbbvv9q882auv3bm77ga0sdl97in@4ax.com...
> l...@lous.zzn.com (Lou) wrote:
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>> Snaaks dat reg oor die wereld die mense van soortgelyke agtergronde
>> tog saam 'kliek' kyk maar net die jode, protugese, libanese, grieke
>> etc. in Suid Afrika en reg oor die wereld.
>
> Dit is 'n gegewe. Niemand stry daaroor nie.
> Maar nie ALMAL doen dit nie. Ek sien geen rede waarom ek aan 'n groep
> moet behoort waar ek absoluut NIKS in gemeen mee het, behalwe die feit
> dat ons van dieselfde vasteland afkomstig is, en dieselfde taal praat
> nie. Maar ek gun ander dit, as dit is wat hulle gelukkig maak, so be
> it. Almal kan mos doen wat hulle wil. Hulle moet net nie verwag dat
> ek dieselfde moet wees nie. Meer eenvoudig kan ek dit nie stel nie.
> Jammer.
> Nude Raider het gesê dat ALLE Afrikaans sprekendes klomp altryd saam
> in klieks. Ellie het dit bevestig en dus saam met die Ozzie gestem.
> Soos wat jy en ander ook doen, so dalk was hy reg hieroor. Dan wonder
> mens of hy dan ook reg is oor die ander dinge wat hy gesê het?
> Ek het net probeer uitwys dat as 'n Afrikaanse Afrikaner is ek nie so
> nie. Maar as julle almal saamstem met die Ozzie wat julle (ons) so
> probeer verneder , is dit julle probleem. Dalk is hy dan wel meer reg
> as wat ek verkeerd is.
>
>> Snaaks dat somminge
>> 'frikaners so 'n verskoon dat ek Afrikaans gebore is houding het - en
>> dan almal wat nie daardie uitkyk deel nie as half agterlik te beskou.
>
> Dit is snaaks, ja. Maar to each his/her own. Wat my meer opval is
> hoe maklik 'n sekere tipe Afrikaner altyd so gemaklik kan vinger wys
> na ander en DINK dat die ander persoon hulle as agterlik en
> minderwaardig beskou. Dit dui eintlik op 'n helse minderwaardigheids
> kompleks.
> Gelukkig is alle Afrikaanse Suid Afrikaners nie so nie, nê?
>
>> Dit is nou soos die mense wat onder die spoor gebore is en toe hulle
>> skielik ryk geword het neer te kyk op hulle afkoms.
>
> As jy so sê....
>
>> Gun die ou mensies hulle groepe - elkeen pas aan op sy manier. Die
>> stukkie oor jou sogenaamde Engelse Suid Afrikaanse vriende vertel meer
>> or jou as wat jy dink.
>
> Ek dink jy lees wat JY wil lees in my woorde. Jy sal sien dat ek van
> "kennisse" gepraat het. Dit is bietjie anders as "vriende" weet jy?
> En wat sê dit van my?
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| Re: Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #88824 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88820] |
Ma, 05 Januarie 2004 17:27 |
bouer
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"Katryn" wrote
> Nude Raider het gesê dat ALLE Afrikaans sprekendes klomp altryd saam
> in klieks. Ellie het dit bevestig en dus saam met die Ozzie gestem.
Dit is nou 'n voorspelbare verskynsel. Die Afrikaner wat
homself op die skouer klop omdat hy nie saamkoek nie.
Jy behoort aan daardie groep. Tenspyte van die feit dat
jy sê dat jy nie saamkoek nie, gee jy mens die indruk dat
jy op nuusgroepe met Afrikaners saamkoek, en persoonlik
met hulle in korrespondensie is. So hoe is jy nou anders as
hulle?
Dis heel natuurlik dat Ellie met mense oorspronklik uit SA
sosialiseer. Dit sou onnatuurlik wees as sy dit nie doen nie.
Maar ek hoop haar SA vriendetal is divers, en dat sy nie-wit
SA vriende ook het. Dit amuseer my somtyds as ek so
die klomp "ex-pats" hoor praat. Jy kan tussen die reëls lees.
Die expats is wit, en hulle sit en skinder ook oor ander wittes.
Dit is of die res van SA wat nie wit is nie, net nie bestaan nie.
Ek is altyd bly om iemand uit SA te ontmoet. Maar mens
leer oor die jare om dadelik die "simptome" te herken. En soos
ek al vantevore gesê het, dit is 'n duidelike aanduiding wat
die "simptome" gaan wees, as jy weet wanneer hulle SA
verlaat het.
Die feeks van Delphi
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| Re: Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #88828 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88824] |
Ma, 05 Januarie 2004 18:05 |
Katryn
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"@rogers.com" wrote:
> Dit is nou 'n voorspelbare verskynsel.
Hierdie reaksie van jou is natuurliik nou eers 'n uiters voorspelbare
reaksie. Ek het al gewonder wanneer iemand so dom gaan wees om
deelname aan nuusgroepe te verwar met sosiale verkeer in die werklike
lewe.
Dit is nou wel so dat daar Afrikaans sprekende mense is wat ek op die
nuusgroep en ander privaat lyste "ontmoet" het, wat ek as vriende
beskou en sal hopelik en heel waarskynlik hulle eendag in die werklike
lewe ontmoet ook. Dit is iets om na uit te sien. As dit 'n kliek is,
so be it. Dan kliek ek saam.
Om iemand te ontmoet van SA is nie dieselfde as om saam te drom en aan
te sluit by die Spirngbok klub of watookal klub en saam te drom vir
braaivleise en bier en watookal en ander Suid Afrikaners sleg sê nie,
hoor. Ek geniet OOK mense van SA af wat hier kom kuier, en het baie
nou vriendskappe met ander Suid Afrikaanse expats wat in ander state
woon. En meeste van hulle woon al meer as 'n kwarteeu hier, en jy sal
hulle ook nooit by hierdie klubs kry nie. Ek dink daar is wel Suid
Afrikaners wat daarvan hou om hierdie klubs by te woon en deel te
wees, want dan ontmoet hulle mens wat hulle nie normaalweg in hulle
eie sosiale kring sou ontmoet nie. En dit is goed. Maar om te
veralgemeen, en sê dat ALLE Suid Afrikaners doen dit, is net eenvoudig
nie reg nie!
Maar weet jy, dalk is Nude Raider werklik reg met die negatiewe dinge
wat hy gesê het oor Afrikaanses. Want jy maak sweepings statements
oor mense wat ná '94 die land verlaat het, en probeer jouself oortuig
dat jy "anders" en beter is, want julle redes om die land te verlaat
was "noble" en watookal. Die ou pre '94 clicks en die post '94
clicks. Hoe vreeslik snaaks. En wat mens gewoonlik van julle (dis
pre '94's) hoor is "maar ek is al x jaar hier"...LOL! That usually
cracks me up!
Dit is eintlik baie snaaks....
Die feeks van Athene
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| Re: Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #88834 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88762] |
Ma, 05 Januarie 2004 20:54 |
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Fok U
weet jy wat...
watch whatu say... who said nething bad aboutthe english????
jirre, i feel very offended and its unfair seeing as this is an afrikaans
forum, please why dont u critisize the afrikaners on a non-afrikaans
newsgroup?!?!? it's just fair.
"Nude Raider" skryf in boodskap news:KW030CPP37990.1765046296@anonymous.poster...
> I have to agree with your assessment of the arriving boers -
> filled with an air of self importance and expecting everyone to
> cowtow to their demands. I have noted it very strongly here in
> Australia ... they get off the plane and start wanting to bos
> everyone around like they own the place. After a few weeks they
> congregate as a few strong holds of afrikanerdom (yes the "DOM"
> bit seems quite appropriate), like the South African Club. The
> South African Club for those unfamiliar with the instritution is
> where home-sick tannies and ooms go to swop potjiekos and
> koeksuster recipes and reminisce about the maids and garden boys
> that they left behind. It surprises me that with these
> characteristics on display, that the afrikaners don't get it
> that they are behaving innapropriately.
>
> The English however are not party to such banal antics,
> preferring instead to jump in and assimilate (MIX - for boers
> not up on English). The benefit of this is that English speakers
> are eager to embrace the ways of their adopted country and see
> how they may contribute and assist in building in for the
> benefit of all. This goes hand-in-hand with national pride (not
> sure that is a word familiar to those living in SAfrica today).
>
> As far as wanting to make plank a languate to learn in NZ
> schools - the cheek of even asking is bizarre enough. Do the
> boers really think that they are important enough to have their
> language actually promoted - let alone tolerated in this first
> world country. I would actually put afrikaans on the same level
> as Black American ghetto (Rap) talk - sort of made up as it goes
> along type - always stealing words from other language (think IT
> technology here).
>
> Bye Bye now...
>
> Nude Raider
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> --
> Questo messaggio e' stato inoltrato automaticamente
> da un paio di anonymous remailer. Il mittente originale
> e' sconosciuto e non identificabile. Datevi pace.
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Di, 06 Januarie 2004 11:35 |
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The lady protests too much - al wat ek sê is maar net dat as mense
wil saam uithang op die naweke - lekker vir hulle. As jy met jou nuwe
kennise :) wat ex-SA'erns is of miskien nie, wil uithang en Ingels
praat - lekker vir jou. Mos vryheid van assosiasie - net solank jy in
ou anti se wêreld seker maak hule is nie eksklusief wit nie of
afrikaans nie. Maar jy mag maar skuins langs jou neus afloer na die
platvloerse afrikaners wat naweke bier drink en vleis braai en praat
oor die ou dae (jammer as ek meer les in jou woorde as wat jy eintlik
wil sê :} ). Maar hulle kan ook maar diesefde met jou doen.
En die apie wat die thread begin het soek net geselskap.
Katryn skryf in boodskap news:...
> l...@lous.zzn.com (Lou) wrote:
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>> Snaaks dat reg oor die wereld die mense van soortgelyke agtergronde
>> tog saam 'kliek' kyk maar net die jode, protugese, libanese, grieke
>> etc. in Suid Afrika en reg oor die wereld.
>
> Dit is 'n gegewe. Niemand stry daaroor nie.
> Maar nie ALMAL doen dit nie. Ek sien geen rede waarom ek aan 'n groep
> moet behoort waar ek absoluut NIKS in gemeen mee het, behalwe die feit
> dat ons van dieselfde vasteland afkomstig is, en dieselfde taal praat
> nie. Maar ek gun ander dit, as dit is wat hulle gelukkig maak, so be
> it. Almal kan mos doen wat hulle wil. Hulle moet net nie verwag dat
> ek dieselfde moet wees nie. Meer eenvoudig kan ek dit nie stel nie.
> Jammer.
> Nude Raider het gesê dat ALLE Afrikaans sprekendes klomp altryd saam
> in klieks. Ellie het dit bevestig en dus saam met die Ozzie gestem.
> Soos wat jy en ander ook doen, so dalk was hy reg hieroor. Dan wonder
> mens of hy dan ook reg is oor die ander dinge wat hy gesê het?
> Ek het net probeer uitwys dat as 'n Afrikaanse Afrikaner is ek nie so
> nie. Maar as julle almal saamstem met die Ozzie wat julle (ons) so
> probeer verneder , is dit julle probleem. Dalk is hy dan wel meer reg
> as wat ek verkeerd is.
>
>> Snaaks dat somminge
>> 'frikaners so 'n verskoon dat ek Afrikaans gebore is houding het - en
>> dan almal wat nie daardie uitkyk deel nie as half agterlik te beskou.
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> Dit is snaaks, ja. Maar to each his/her own. Wat my meer opval is
> hoe maklik 'n sekere tipe Afrikaner altyd so gemaklik kan vinger wys
> na ander en DINK dat die ander persoon hulle as agterlik en
> minderwaardig beskou. Dit dui eintlik op 'n helse minderwaardigheids
> kompleks.
> Gelukkig is alle Afrikaanse Suid Afrikaners nie so nie, nè?
>
>> Dit is nou soos die mense wat onder die spoor gebore is en toe hulle
>> skielik ryk geword het neer te kyk op hulle afkoms.
>
> As jy so sê....
>
>> Gun die ou mensies hulle groepe - elkeen pas aan op sy manier. Die
>> stukkie oor jou sogenaamde Engelse Suid Afrikaanse vriende vertel meer
>> or jou as wat jy dink.
>
> Ek dink jy lees wat JY wil lees in my woorde. Jy sal sien dat ek van
> "kennisse" gepraat het. Dit is bietjie anders as "vriende" weet jy?
> En wat sê dit van my?
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| Just to Qualify [boodskap #88860 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88820] |
Di, 06 Januarie 2004 13:29 |
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The Afrikaners as a whole appear to have the inherrent
arrogance, however as with all things, there will certainly be
exceptions to this rule. There is nothing whatsover wrong with
mixing with people of similar interest (which could also happen
to be SAfricans), but the problem lies in the Afrikaners who
want to perpetuate the dominance of others through the
establishment of Broederbond" type groups in foreign countries.
Many of then arrive and just sit at home and moan about how bad
the place is, but steadfastly refuse to assimilate into any
aspects of their new culture. This is not good for anyone
associated with South Africans (and we are indeed limped
together, with Zimbabweans also), so when this happens, people
are rightly pissed off.
My strong belief is that if you move to another country - FIT IN
or GO HOME. This applies to English and Afrikaans people alike.
Nude Raider
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Di, 06 Januarie 2004 13:44 |
Max
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Kan jy 'n voorbeeld gee van so 'n groep?
Ek is self nie een van die SA klub tipe nie, maar ek ervaar hulle alleen
maar as 'n klomp mense wat graag SA produkte koop, SA kunstenaars wil
ondersteun, ens.
Ek het nog nooit die SA klubs gesien as een of ander Broederbond beweging
wat hulle nuwe tuiste wil omv�rwerp nie. Ervaar julle dit so down under? Dit
klink vir my soos 'n poep teen 'n donderstorm. 'n Handjie vol SA�ers (wat in
elk geval nooit regtig saam sal staan nie) teen 'n hele land...
Met jou laaste opmerking stem ek heeltemal saam. Daar is veel te veel SA�ers
wat sit en kla oor die land waarin hulle sit. Dis gewoonlik dieselfde
outjies wat in SA ook gesê het dat die wêreld hulle iets skuld.
Max____________________________
"Nude Raider"
> The Afrikaners as a whole appear to have the inherrent
> arrogance, however as with all things, there will certainly be
> exceptions to this rule. There is nothing whatsover wrong with
> mixing with people of similar interest (which could also happen
> to be SAfricans), but the problem lies in the Afrikaners who
> want to perpetuate the dominance of others through the
> establishment of Broederbond" type groups in foreign countries.
> Many of then arrive and just sit at home and moan about how bad
> the place is, but steadfastly refuse to assimilate into any
> aspects of their new culture. This is not good for anyone
> associated with South Africans (and we are indeed limped
> together, with Zimbabweans also), so when this happens, people
> are rightly pissed off.
>
> My strong belief is that if you move to another country - FIT IN
> or GO HOME. This applies to English and Afrikaans people alike.
>
> Nude Raider
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| Re: Just to Qualify [boodskap #88867 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88860] |
Di, 06 Januarie 2004 14:01 |
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Seunie, ek behoort aan geen Broederbond of enige ander snobistiese of
bomplanterkliek nie - as jy hier jou mening wil lug( as jy mooi kan lees,
dan staan daar mooi en duidelik Afrikaans in die opskrif), dan doen jy dit
in Afrikaans, of stel jou gedagtes bloot op 'n ng wat jou Engelse pogings
sal waardeer.
Ek dink jy mors jou tyd om iets in Engels hier te pos.
Tyd is geld, en wie mors geld goedmoeds?
As jy Afrikaans so haat dat jy dit nie eers kan skryf nie, wat nog te sê
praat - wat soek jy hier? Is jy een van daardie armsaliges wat van
selfkastyding hou?
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Annette
"Nude Raider" skryf in boodskap news:XYSH2UW537992.3119212963@anonymous.poster...
> The Afrikaners as a whole appear to have the inherrent
> arrogance, however as with all things, there will certainly be
> exceptions to this rule. There is nothing whatsover wrong with
> mixing with people of similar interest (which could also happen
> to be SAfricans), but the problem lies in the Afrikaners who
> want to perpetuate the dominance of others through the
> establishment of Broederbond" type groups in foreign countries.
> Many of then arrive and just sit at home and moan about how bad
> the place is, but steadfastly refuse to assimilate into any
> aspects of their new culture. This is not good for anyone
> associated with South Africans (and we are indeed limped
> together, with Zimbabweans also), so when this happens, people
> are rightly pissed off.
>
> My strong belief is that if you move to another country - FIT IN
> or GO HOME. This applies to English and Afrikaans people alike.
>
> Nude Raider
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Di, 06 Januarie 2004 14:13 |
Max
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Is jou nuwejaarsvoorneme om kwaai te wees Annette?
Max____________________________
"Annette"
> Seunie, ek behoort aan geen Broederbond of enige ander snobistiese of
> bomplanterkliek nie - as jy hier jou mening wil lug( as jy mooi kan lees,
> dan staan daar mooi en duidelik Afrikaans in die opskrif), dan doen jy dit
> in Afrikaans, of stel jou gedagtes bloot op 'n ng wat jou Engelse pogings
> sal waardeer.
> Ek dink jy mors jou tyd om iets in Engels hier te pos.
> Tyd is geld, en wie mors geld goedmoeds?
> As jy Afrikaans so haat dat jy dit nie eers kan skryf nie, wat nog te sê
> praat - wat soek jy hier? Is jy een van daardie armsaliges wat van
> selfkastyding hou?
>
> --
> Annette
> "Nude Raider" wrote in message
> news:XYSH2UW537992.3119212963@anonymous.poster...
>> The Afrikaners as a whole appear to have the inherrent
>> arrogance, however as with all things, there will certainly be
>> exceptions to this rule. There is nothing whatsover wrong with
>> mixing with people of similar interest (which could also happen
>> to be SAfricans), but the problem lies in the Afrikaners who
>> want to perpetuate the dominance of others through the
>> establishment of Broederbond" type groups in foreign countries.
>> Many of then arrive and just sit at home and moan about how bad
>> the place is, but steadfastly refuse to assimilate into any
>> aspects of their new culture. This is not good for anyone
>> associated with South Africans (and we are indeed limped
>> together, with Zimbabweans also), so when this happens, people
>> are rightly pissed off.
>>
>> My strong belief is that if you move to another country - FIT IN
>> or GO HOME. This applies to English and Afrikaans people alike.
>>
>> Nude Raider
>>
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| Re: Just to Qualify [boodskap #88870 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88867] |
Di, 06 Januarie 2004 17:00 |
Sterrenkijker
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:01:03 +0200, "Annette" wrote:
> Seunie, ek behoort aan geen Broederbond of enige ander snobistiese of
> bomplanterkliek nie - as jy hier jou mening wil lug( as jy mooi kan lees,
> dan staan daar mooi en duidelik Afrikaans in die opskrif), dan doen jy dit
> in Afrikaans, of stel jou gedagtes bloot op 'n ng wat jou Engelse pogings
> sal waardeer.
> Ek dink jy mors jou tyd om iets in Engels hier te pos.
> Tyd is geld, en wie mors geld goedmoeds?
> As jy Afrikaans so haat dat jy dit nie eers kan skryf nie, wat nog te sê
> praat - wat soek jy hier? Is jy een van daardie armsaliges wat van
> selfkastyding hou?
Verskoning, Annette, ek verstaan jou ongelukkigheid omtrent die
postings van Nude Raider, maar eintlik dink ek hy doen niks onjuis
nie. Herlees asseblief hierdie handves van die nuusgroep. Daarin sal
jy sien dat ook Engeltalige tekste hier toegelaat word. En daar staan
ook:"Alle artikels wat gepos word behoort (hoe verwyder ook al) op een
of ander wyse met suidelike Afrika, Afrikaans of Afrikaanssprekendes
verband te hou." Nude Raider mag dus sy mening sê oor
Afrikaanssprekendes in die buiteland en hy mag dit doen in Engels.
Ek het ook gesien dat Nude Raider oorspronklik gevra het of hy hier in
Engels mag skryf. Dis daarom moeilik om te sê hy het sommer met die
deur in die huis geval. Ek dink hy voldoen aan die vereistes om hier
'n artikel te kan skryf. Sien asseblief die handves hieronder. Daarin
is 'n deel in Afrikaans as vertaling van die handves opgeneem.
Ek bemoei my nie met die diskussie tussen jou en Nude Raider want ek
kan self niks sê oor die gedrag van Afrikaners wat gemigreer het na
ander lande. Miskien kan 'n mens slegs sê vir Nude Raider dat,
ooreenkomstig met die handves, "beledigings, "flames" of onnodige
kritiek van 'n groep of persoon ten sterkste ontmoedig word. Ek sien
Nude Raider het kritiek op party Afrikaners... Ek kan egter self nie
sê of hy daarin reg is nie. Ek probeer slegs om te help.
Baie groete uit Vlaandere,
Norbert
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
[ English version; See below for the translation in Afrikaans. ]
This is a request for discussion (RFD) of the creation of the USENET
newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans. It contains suggested
group name, one-line description, status and charter.
This article is crossposted to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
soc.culture.south-africa, soc.culture.belgium,
soc.culture.netherlands,
nlnet.taal, za.misc, and za.net.misc. It's also sent to the mailing
lists
afri...@unseen.aztec.co.za and lowla...@u.washington.edu
The discussion will take place in the 'NEWS.GROUPS' newsgroup. All
follow-up posts should be posted to that group. Initial suggestions
for the group, status and charter are given below. These suggestion
are subject to change and review as soon as further opinions are
provided. Anyone interested in this proposal is encouraged to
participate in the discussion.
The discussion will continue for 21 days from the date this RFD
becomes official. If there is agreement, a Call for Votes (CFV) will
be announced.
GROUP NAME:
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soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
ONE-LINE DESCRIPTION:
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the Afrikaans language and all of its speakers, including those in
Namibia
STATUS
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Unmoderated
BACKGROUND:
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Due to South Africa's and Namibia's recent past, Afrikaans speakers
have been isolated from most of the rest of the world in many
different ways. One way was the cultural boycotts by numerous
governments. In particular, the boycotts by the Dutch and Belgian
governments reduced the number of cultural and lingual exchanges
between Afrikaans speakers and the Dutch speaking people. Now new
multi-cultural governments are in place in South Africa and Namibia,
and it has become time to renew these and other ties.
For this purpose, as a start, a soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
newsgroup would be a perfect platform.
South Africa has its own za.* newsgroup hierarchy, in which the
articles are predominantly written in English. A za.culture.afrikaans
newsgroup could be an alternative for a
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup, for those who want to
hold discussions in Afrikaans. But, the za.* newsgroup are less well
known outside South-Africa, and in some cases less accessible
than the USENET news-groups, therefore this proposal has been issued.
Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will have a partial overlap with
soc.culture.south-africa in discussions about southern Africa.
The soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup is intended not so
much as a substitute but more as an addition to this newsgroup, and
serves also as a place on the internet for Afrikaans speakers from
Namibia. The Afrikaans mailinglist is already a big succes, and we
expect to reach even more people with a USENET newsgroup. It is our
intention to make a gateway between the Afrikaans mailinglist and the
proposed group.
PROPOSED CHARTER:
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Afrikaans is a language spoken largely in southern Africa
(predominantly South Africa, Namibia and to a lesser extent Zimbabwe),
although small communities of Afrikaans-speaking people are found in
other parts of the world. Afrikaans evolved in southern Africa from
the interaction between 17th-century Dutch, African languages,
Portuguese, Malay and other influences. Although it is a uniquely
African language, it is nonetheless classed as a member of the
Germanic languages, and is similar to the Dutch language, which is
predominantly spoken in the Netherlands and a large part of Belgium.
There is a substantial body of Afrikaans literature, and it is used
extensively in the written and electronic media. There are a number of
tertiary educational institutions in South Africa in which Afrikaans
is the medium of instruction.
In this proposed charter, the term 'Afrikaans speakers' will be taken
to include all people who speak Afrikaans, regardless of race, colour,
creed or national origin, whether they consider themselves to be
'Afrikaners' or not. This includes both mother-tongue speakers and
others, including those who speak 'alternative' Afrikaans.
The proposed newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans is intended
as a platform for all information about speakers of the Afrikaans
language all information and discussion about speakers of the
Afrikaans language and the language itself. This means all discussions
about social, cultural, political, economical, historical,
geographical and other issues that are, in one way or the other,
related to Afrikaans speakers, Afrikaans or the southern
African region are welcome in this newsgroup.
Also, it is hoped that soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be a
meaningful means for contact between Afrikaans speakers at home and
abroad, and between the Afrikaans speakers, including those who speak
'alternative' Afrikaans, and and all other persons interested in the
Afrikaans language.
RULES:
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Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be an unmoderated newsgroup,
so anyone will be able to post to this newsgroup. Being free to post
should also mean being responsible for what you post. All articles
posted should have 'something' to do with southern Africa, Afrikaans
or Afrikaans-speaking people, however remotely. Insults, "flames" or
unnecessary criticism of a group or a person is strongly discouraged.
Please read the netiquette rules in news.announce.newusers before
posting your first article to any newsgroup, and try to stick to them
whenever posting articles.
LANGUAGES:
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Primarily, postings in Afrikaans (also in 'alternative' Afrikaans),
Dutch and English can be expected. However, postings in any other
language are also welcome to facilitate the exchange of information
with the largest possible audience.
DISCUSSION PLACE:
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The discussion will take place in news.groups, a Usenet news group.
All comments regarding this proposal should be posted in news.groups
(note the Followup-To line at the beginning of your message).
DISCUSSION PERIOD:
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The discussion period will last for 21 days, starting from the moment
this RFD becomes official. If there is agreement, a Call for Votes
(CFV) will be announced, which will last for another 21 to 31 days.
THIS RFD IS INITIATED BY:
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Robert Wagenaar st90...@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl
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VERSOEK VIR BESPREKING: SOC.CULTURE.SOUTH-AFRICA.AFRIKAANS
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(In hierdie dokument dui die " -karakter voor 'n letter 'n deelteken
aan (bv. "e), en die ^ -karakter voor 'n letter dui sirkumfleks aan
(bv. ^e)).
VERSOEK VIR BESPREKING
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Hierdie is 'n Versoek vir Bespreking (VVB) (oftewel "Request for
Discussion" - RFD) vir die skepping van die USENET Nuusgroep
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans. Dit bevat 'n voorgestelde
groepnaam, enkelre"el beskrywing, status en handves.
Hierdie artikel sal ook aan news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
soc.culture.african, soc.culture.belgium, soc.culture.netherlands,
nlnet.taal, za.misc en za.net.misc gepos word. Hierdie artikel sal ook
gestuur word aan die poslyste afri...@unseen.aztec.co.za en
lowla...@u.washington.edu.
Die bespreking sal in die NEWS.GROUPS nuusgroep plaasvind. Alle
opvolgbesprekings hoort na hierdie groep gepos te word. Aanvanklike
voorstelle vir die groep, status en handves word hieronder
uiteengesit. Hierdie voorstelle is onderworpe aan veranderings en
hersiening sodra verdere opinies ingewin word. Enige persoon wat in
hierdie voorstel belangstel word aangemoedig om aan die bespreking
deel te neem.
Die bespreking sal vir 21 dae vanaf die datum van die amptelike
plasing van hierdie RFD voortduur. Indien akkoord bereik word, sal
daar dan 'n Oproep tot Stemme aangekondig word.
GROEP NAAM
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soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
ENKELRE"EL BESKRYWING
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die Afrikaanse taal en alle Afrikaanssprekendes, ook die in Namibi"e
STATUS
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Ongemodereer
AGTERGROND
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Afrikaanssprekendes was, vanwe"e Suid-Afrika en Namibi"e se onlangse
verlede, op verskeie maniere van die res van die wereld ge"isoleer.
Een so 'n wyse was die kulturele boikotte deur verskeie regerings.
Die boikotte van die Nederlandse en Belgiese regerings in besonder,
het die kultuur- en taaluitruiling tussen Afrikaanssprekendes en
Nederlands-spekendes aan bande gel^e. Nou is nuwe regerings
inSuid-Afrika en Namibi"e aan bewind, en het dit tyd geword om
hierdie, en ander bande, te hernu. Vir hierdie doel sal die
soc.culture.afrikaans nuusgroep as 'n ideale afspringplek
dien.
Suid-Afrika het sy eie za. nuusgroep hierargie. Hier word artikels
grootliks in Engels geskryf. 'n Za.culture.afrikaans nuusgroep kan as
alternatief vir 'n soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans dien vir diegene
wat besprekings in Afrikaans wil hou. Hierdie voorstel word egter
gemaak, aangesien die za.nuusgroepe minder bekend is buite
Suid-Afrika, en is in baie gevalle minder toeganklik as die USENET
nuusgroepe.
Daar sal 'n gedeeltelike oorvleueling wees tussen
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans en soc.culture.south-africa in
besprekings rakende suidelike Afrika. Die bedoeling van die
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans nuusgroep is nie
soseer om as 'n plaasvervanger vir hierdie groep te dien, maar
aanvullen daartoe, ook as een plaas op internet vir die
afrikaanssprekendes in Namibi"e.
Die Afrikaanse poslys is al 'n groot sukses, en ons denk met 'n USENET
nuusgroep nog meer mense te bereik. Ons het die plan om 'n "gateway"
te maak tussen die Afrikaanse poslys en
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans.
VOORGESTELDE HANDVES
--------------------
Afrikaans is 'n taal wat grootliks in suidelike Afrika gepraat word
(hoofsaaklik in Suid-Afrika, Namibie en tot 'n mindere mate Zimbabwe),
alhoewel klein Afrikaanssprekende gemeenskappe elders ter wereld
voorkom. Afrikaans het in suidelike Afrika ontstaan as gevolg van die
wisselwerking tussen 17de-eeuse Nederlands, Afrika-tale, Portugees,
Maleis en ander invloede. Alhoewel dit 'n taal eie aan Afrika is,
word dit nogtans beskou as 'n lid van die Dietse taalgroep, en is
soortgelyk aan die Nederlandse/Vlaamse taal wat in Nederland en groot
dele van Belgi"e gepraat word. Daar is 'n omvangryke Afrikaanse
letterkunde, en die taal word wyd in die gedrukte en elektroniese
media gebruik. Daar is 'n aantal inrigtings vir tersi^ere onderrig
waar Afrikaans die voertaal is.
In hierdie voorgestelde handves, sluit die term 'Afrikaanssprekendes'
alle mense wat Afrikaans besig in, ongeag van ras, kleur, geloof of
nasionale oorsprong, en is nie beperk tot diegene wat hulself as
'Afrikaners' beskou nie. Dit sluit moedertaalsprekers en andere in,
ook die sprekers van die sogenaamde 'alternatiewe' Afrikaans.
Die bedoeling is dat die voorgestelde nuusgroep
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans sal dien as 'n gepreksforum vir
alle inligting aangaande suidelike Afrika, Afrikaanssprekendes en die
Afrikaanse taal. Dit beteken dat alle besprekings rakende sosiale,
kulturele, politieke, ekonomiese, geskiedkundige, geografiese en ander
sake wat op een of ander wyse verband hou met Afrikaanssprekendes,
Afrikaans of suidelike Afrika, verwelkom sal word in hierdie
nuusgroep.
Dit word verder begeer dat soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans 'n
betekenisvolle middel van skakeling tussen Afrikaanssprekendes tuis en
in die buiteland sal wees, en tussen Afrikaanssprekendes en ander
mense dwarsoor die wereld.
RE"ELS
-----
Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans sal 'n ongemodereerde nuusgroep
wees, dus sal dit enige persoon vry staan om na hierdie nuusgroep te
pos. Vryheid om te pos beteken egter ook om verantwoordelikheid te
aanvaar vir wat u pos.
Alle artikels wat gepos word behoort (hoe verwyder ookal) op een of
ander wyse met suidelike Afrika, Afrikaans of Afrikaanssprekendes
verband te hou. Beledigings, "flames" of onnodige kritiek van 'n
groep of persoon word ten sterkste ontmoedig. Lees asseblief die
"netiquette" re"els in news.announce.newusers voordat u u eerste
artikel aan enige nuusgroep pos, en behou u te alle tye by hierdie
re"els wanneer u artikels pos.
TALE
----
Artikels sal hoofsaaklik in Afrikaans (ook 'alternatiewe' Afrikaans),
Nederlands en Engels wees.
Artikels in ander tale word ook verwelkom om sodoende die uitruiling
van inligting met die wydste gehoor moontlik te bewerkstellig.
BESPREKINGSPLEK
---------------
Die besprekings sal in news.groups, 'n USENET nuusgroep, plaasvind.
Alle kommentaar rakende hierdie voorstel moet na news.groups gepos
word (neem kennis van die Followup-To re"el).
BESPREKINGSPERIODE
------------------
Die besprekingsperiode sal vir 21 dae lank duur, wat met die amtelike
verskyning van hierdie RFD 'n aanvang sal neem. Indien akkoord bereik
word, sal 'n Oproep om Stemme (oftewel "Call For Votes" - CFV)
aangekondig word, wat vir 'n tydperk van 21 to 31 dae sal duur.
HIERDIE VVB GE"INISIEER DEUR:
-----------------------------
Robert Wagenaar st90...@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl
From rh...@kitimar.seti-inst.edu Mon Aug 28 17:45:20 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Robert Haas
Newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.belgium,soc. culture.netherlands,soc.culture.south-africa,nlnet.taal
Subject: CFV: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
Followup-To: poster
Date: 28 Aug 1995 21:45:17 -0000
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soc.culture.belgium:18697 soc.culture.netherlands:48291
soc.culture.south-africa:7676 nlnet.taal:5075
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans The Afrikaans language and its
speakers.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Sep 1995.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Robert Haas .
For questions about the proposed group contact
Robert Wagenaar .
RATIONALE:
The following charter and rationale were written by the proponent of
the group.
Afrikaans is a language spoken largely in southern Africa
(predominantly South Africa, Namibia and to a lesser extent Zimbabwe,
Botswana, Swaziland and Lesotho), although small communities of
Afrikaans-speaking people are found in other parts of the world.
Afrikaans evolved in southern Africa from the interaction between
17th-century Dutch, African languages, Portuguese, Malay and other
influences. Although it is a uniquely African language, it is
nonetheless classed as a member of the Germanic languages, and is
similar to the Dutch language, which is predominantly spoken in the
Netherlands and a large part of Belgium. There is a substantial body
of Afrikaans literature, and it is used extensively in the written and
electronic media. There are a number of tertiary educational
institutions in South Africa in which Afrikaans is the medium of
instruction. Between 10 and 12 million people use it everyday as their
first or second language.
South Africa has its own za.* newsgroup hierarchy, in which the
articles are predominantly written in English. A za.culture.afrikaans
newsgroup could be an alternative for a
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup, for those who want to
hold discussions in Afrikaans. But, the za.* newsgroup are less well
known outside South-Africa, and in some cases less accessible than the
USENET news-groups, therefore this proposal has been issued.
Another reason is the interest in Afrikaans that Dutch speakers from
the Netherlands and Belgium have expressed.
Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will have a partial overlap with
soc.culture.south-africa in discussions about southern Africa. The
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup is intended not so much
as a substitute but more as an addition to this newsgroup, and serves
also as a place on the internet for Afrikaans speakers from Namibia.
The Afrikaans mailinglist is already a big success, and we expect to
reach even more people with a USENET newsgroup. It is our intention to
make a gateway between the Afrikaans mailinglist and the proposed
group.
CHARTER: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
In this proposed charter, the term 'Afrikaans speakers' will be taken
to include all people who speak Afrikaans, regardless of race, colour,
creed or national origin, whether they consider themselves to be
'Afrikaners' or not. This includes both mother-tongue speakers and
others, including those who speak 'alternative' Afrikaans.
The proposed newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans is intended
as a platform for all information about speakers of the Afrikaans
language all information and discussion about speakers of the
Afrikaans language and the language itself. This means all discussions
about social, cultural, political, economical, historical,
geographical and other issues that are, in one way or the other,
related to Afrikaans speakers, Afrikaans or the southern African
region are welcome in this newsgroup.
Also, it is hoped that soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be a
meaningful means for contact between Afrikaans speakers at home and
abroad, and between the Afrikaans speakers, including those who speak
'alternative' Afrikaans, and and all other persons interested in the
Afrikaans language.
Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be an unmoderated newsgroup,
so anyone will be able to post to this newsgroup. Being free to post
should also mean being responsible for what you post. All articles
posted should have 'something' to do with southern Africa, Afrikaans
or Afrikaans-speaking people, however remotely. Insults, "flames" or
unnecessary criticism of a group or a person is strongly discouraged.
Please read the netiquette rules in news.announce.newusers before
posting your first article to any newsgroup, and try to stick to them
whenever posting articles.
Languages:
Primarily, postings in Afrikaans (also in 'alternative' Afrikaans),
Dutch and English can be expected. However, postings in any other
language are also welcome to facilitate the exchange of information
with the largest possible audience.
END CHARTER.
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: vo...@kitimar.seti-inst.edu
Replying to this message should work unless you are reading it on a
mailing
list. Do NOT follow up; posted votes are not counted. The only way
to vote
is to send email to the address listed above.
Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
I vote YES on soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
I vote NO on soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the
outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting
program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a
personal acknowledgement by mail - if you do not receive one within
several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your
vote is registered correctly.
One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses
and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results
list.
OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV
This CFV is being cross-posted to the newsgroups
news.announce.newgroups,
soc.culture.belgium, soc.culture.south-africa,
soc.culture.netherlands,
news.groups, and nlnet.taal and mailed to the mailing lists
afri...@unseen.aztec.co.za and lowla...@u.washington.edu. You may
also obtain a copy by sending a message to u...@kitimar.seti-inst.edu
with a subject of `send soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans cfv'.
These
are the ONLY official sources of this CFV; please do not repost this
CFV or the voting instructions elsewhere.
From rh...@kitimar.seti-inst.edu Tue Sep 12 17:59:37 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Robert Haas
Newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.belgium,soc. culture.netherlands,soc.culture.south-africa,nlnet.taal
Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
Followup-To: poster
Date: 12 Sep 1995 21:59:33 -0000
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Archive-Name: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7513 news.groups:167334
soc.culture.belgium:19869 soc.culture.netherlands:49930
soc.culture.south-africa:8193 nlnet.taal:5346
LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans The Afrikaans language and its
speakers.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Sep 1995.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Robert Haas .
For questions about the proposed group contact
Robert Wagenaar .
RATIONALE:
The following charter and rationale were written by the proponent of
the group.
Afrikaans is a language spoken largely in southern Africa
(predominantly South Africa, Namibia and to a lesser extent Zimbabwe,
Botswana, Swaziland and Lesotho), although small communities of
Afrikaans-speaking people are found in other parts of the world.
Afrikaans evolved in southern Africa from the interaction between
17th-century Dutch, African languages, Portuguese, Malay and other
influences. Although it is a uniquely African language, it is
nonetheless classed as a member of the Germanic languages, and is
similar to the Dutch language, which is predominantly spoken in the
Netherlands and a large part of Belgium. There is a substantial body
of Afrikaans literature, and it is used extensively in the written and
electronic media. There are a number of tertiary educational
institutions in South Africa in which Afrikaans is the medium of
instruction. Between 10 and 12 million people use it everyday as their
first or second language.
South Africa has its own za.* newsgroup hierarchy, in which the
articles are predominantly written in English. A za.culture.afrikaans
newsgroup could be an alternative for a
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup, for those who want to
hold discussions in Afrikaans. But, the za.* newsgroup are less well
known outside South-Africa, and in some cases less accessible than the
USENET news-groups, therefore this proposal has been issued.
Another reason is the interest in Afrikaans that Dutch speakers from
the Netherlands and Belgium have expressed.
Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will have a partial overlap with
soc.culture.south-africa in discussions about southern Africa. The
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup is intended not so much
as a substitute but more as an addition to this newsgroup, and serves
also as a place on the internet for Afrikaans speakers from Namibia.
The Afrikaans mailinglist is already a big success, and we expect to
reach even more people with a USENET newsgroup. It is our intention to
make a gateway between the Afrikaans mailinglist and the proposed
group.
CHARTER: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
In this proposed charter, the term 'Afrikaans speakers' will be taken
to include all people who speak Afrikaans, regardless of race, colour,
creed or national origin, whether they consider themselves to be
'Afrikaners' or not. This includes both mother-tongue speakers and
others, including those who speak 'alternative' Afrikaans.
The proposed newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans is intended
as a platform for all information about speakers of the Afrikaans
language all information and discussion about speakers of the
Afrikaans language and the language itself. This means all discussions
about social, cultural, political, economical, historical,
geographical and other issues that are, in one way or the other,
related to Afrikaans speakers, Afrikaans or the southern African
region are welcome in this newsgroup.
Also, it is hoped that soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be a
meaningful means for contact between Afrikaans speakers at home and
abroad, and between the Afrikaans speakers, including those who speak
'alternative' Afrikaans, and and all other persons interested in the
Afrikaans language.
Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be an unmoderated newsgroup,
so anyone will be able to post to this newsgroup. Being free to post
should also mean being responsible for what you post. All articles
posted should have 'something' to do with southern Africa, Afrikaans
or Afrikaans-speaking people, however remotely. Insults, "flames" or
unnecessary criticism of a group or a person is strongly discouraged.
Please read the netiquette rules in news.announce.newusers before
posting your first article to any newsgroup, and try to stick to them
whenever posting articles.
Languages:
Primarily, postings in Afrikaans (also in 'alternative' Afrikaans),
Dutch and English can be expected. However, postings in any other
language are also welcome to facilitate the exchange of information
with the largest possible audience.
END CHARTER.
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: vo...@kitimar.seti-inst.edu
Replying to this message should work unless you are reading it on a
mailing list. Do NOT follow up; posted votes are not counted. The
only way to vote is to send email to the address listed above.
Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
I vote YES on soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
I vote NO on soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the
outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting
program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a
personal acknowledgement by mail - if you do not receive one within
several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your
vote is registered correctly.
One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses
and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results
list.
OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV
This CFV is being cross-posted to the newsgroups
news.announce.newgroups,
soc.culture.belgium, soc.culture.south-africa,
soc.culture.netherlands,
news.groups, and nlnet.taal and mailed to the mailing lists
afri...@unseen.aztec.co.za and lowla...@u.washington.edu. You may
also obtain a copy by sending a message to u...@kitimar.seti-inst.edu
with a subject of `get soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans cfv'. These
are the ONLY official sources of this CFV; please do not repost this
CFV or the voting instructions elsewhere.
From rh...@kitimar.seti-inst.edu Tue Sep 26 18:19:14 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Robert Haas
Newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.belgium,soc. culture.netherlands,soc.culture.south-africa,nlnet.taal
Subject: RESULT: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans passes 272:19
Supersedes:
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 26 Sep 1995 22:19:11 -0000
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Lines: 408
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Approved: newgroup...@uunet.uu.net
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References:
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Archive-Name: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7612 news.groups:168614
soc.culture.belgium:20606 soc.culture.netherlands:51571
soc.culture.south-africa:8592 nlnet.taal:5587
RESULT
unmoderated group soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans passes 272:19
There were 272 YES votes and 19 NO votes, for a total of 291 valid
votes.
There were 2 abstains.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES
and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than
NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.
Votes closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Sep 1995.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Robert Haas .
For questions about the proposed group contact
Robert Wagenaar .
RATIONALE: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
The following charter and rationale were written by the proponent of
the group.
Afrikaans is a language spoken largely in southern Africa
(predominantly South Africa, Namibia and to a lesser extent Zimbabwe,
Botswana, Swaziland and Lesotho), although small communities of
Afrikaans-speaking people are found in other parts of the world.
Afrikaans evolved in southern Africa from the interaction between
17th-century Dutch, African languages, Portuguese, Malay and other
influences. Although it is a uniquely African language, it is
nonetheless classed as a member of the Germanic languages, and is
similar to the Dutch language, which is predominantly spoken in the
Netherlands and a large part of Belgium. There is a substantial body
of Afrikaans literature, and it is used extensively in the written and
electronic media. There are a number of tertiary educational
institutions in South Africa in which Afrikaans is the medium of
instruction. Between 10 and 12 million people use it everyday as their
first or second language.
South Africa has its own za.* newsgroup hierarchy, in which the
articles are predominantly written in English. A za.culture.afrikaans
newsgroup could be an alternative for a
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup, for those who want to
hold discussions in Afrikaans. But, the za.* newsgroup are less well
known outside South-Africa, and in some cases less accessible than the
USENET news-groups, therefore this proposal has been issued.
Another reason is the interest in Afrikaans that Dutch speakers from
the Netherlands and Belgium have expressed.
Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will have a partial overlap with
soc.culture.south-africa in discussions about southern Africa. The
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup is intended not so much
as a substitute but more as an addition to this newsgroup, and serves
also as a place on the internet for Afrikaans speakers from Namibia.
The Afrikaans mailinglist is already a big success, and we expect to
reach even more people with a USENET newsgroup. It is our intention to
make a gateway between the Afrikaans mailinglist and the proposed
group.
CHARTER: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
In this proposed charter, the term 'Afrikaans speakers' will be taken
to include all people who speak Afrikaans, regardless of race, colour,
creed or national origin, whether they consider themselves to be
'Afrikaners' or not. This includes both mother-tongue speakers and
others, including those who speak 'alternative' Afrikaans.
The proposed newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans is intended
as a platform for all information about speakers of the Afrikaans
language all information and discussion about speakers of the
Afrikaans language and the language itself. This means all discussions
about social, cultural, political, economical, historical,
geographical and other issues that are, in one way or the other,
related to Afrikaans speakers, Afrikaans or the southern African
region are welcome in this newsgroup.
Also, it is hoped that soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be a
meaningful means for contact between Afrikaans speakers at home and
abroad, and between the Afrikaans speakers, including those who speak
'alternative' Afrikaans, and and all other persons interested in the
Afrikaans language.
Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be an unmoderated newsgroup,
so anyone will be able to post to this newsgroup. Being free to post
should also mean being responsible for what you post. All articles
posted should have 'something' to do with southern Africa, Afrikaans
or Afrikaans-speaking people, however remotely. Insults, "flames" or
unnecessary criticism of a group or a person is strongly discouraged.
Please read the netiquette rules in news.announce.newusers before
posting your first article to any newsgroup, and try to stick to them
whenever posting articles.
Languages:
Primarily, postings in Afrikaans (also in 'alternative' Afrikaans),
Dutch and English can be expected. However, postings in any other
language are also welcome to facilitate the exchange of information
with the largest possible audience.
END CHARTER.
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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Erasmus
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Nicolas Linde
10054...@CompuServe.COM Angelo
Marchini
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Pretorius
940...@firga.sun.ac.za Murray L.
Steenkamp
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Plessis
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Andrew Adler
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Adrian Shaw
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Holzapfel
ajdu...@MIT.EDU Andries J. Du
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Corvers
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De Knuydt
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BOS...@alpha.unisa.ac.za
R Bosua
boud...@euronet.nl
Boudewijn_Vermeulen
BRI...@alpha.unisa.ac.za
JA Brink
BRI...@libarts.up.ac.za Mariaan Brink (Afr)
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Bruce_D...@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au Bruce
Donaldson
br...@netcom.com
Brus Wasson
br...@novell.com Bryan
Cardoza
Bug...@megaweb.com Eric
Fickessen
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Skat
CAD...@watertek.csir.co.za ADLEM, Calie
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ca...@docnet.infolink.co.za
Carla
CB...@ebs.up.ac.za
CBuys
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Cellarius
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Claassen
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conr...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Leander
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crip...@saturn.uaamath.alaska.edu
D15...@bfnnfs04.eskom.co.za
Zack Benade
daan.c...@eng.ox.ac.uk Daan
Claassen
dac...@prl.philips.nl Paulo
da Costa
dan...@iconz.co.nz
Daniel
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Yoan Bosch
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Craig Harman
h...@maties.sun.ac.za Prof HC (Christo)
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M Jacobs
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Deconinck
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Johan Bollen
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Morgenthal
J...@its.uct.ac.za Dullaart,
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john b
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Dwight Brown
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C. Lawson
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P Crouch
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| Re: Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #88880 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88824] |
Wo, 07 Januarie 2004 00:31 |
Ellie
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Is so , ek het n goeie vriendin van Durban, sy is nie wit nie, en n paar
studente wat op tennis scholarships is, wat swart is, ons kuier lekker. Ek
voel my baie tuis by swartes in Amerika ook, dis asof mens iets in gemeen
het. My vriende was nog altyd baie divers, as ek almal wat ek ken oornooi,
sal jy n mengelmoes mense he wat nie altyd alles in gemeen het nie. Alle
nasionaliteite. Die gerondwonery om die wereld doen dit aan mens, jy soek
mense wat goed met jou deel, maak nie saak waar hulle oorsprong of etniese
agtergrond is nie.
E
"@rogers.com" wrote in message
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> "Katryn" wrote
>
>> Nude Raider het gesê dat ALLE Afrikaans sprekendes klomp altryd saam
>> in klieks. Ellie het dit bevestig en dus saam met die Ozzie gestem.
>
> Dit is nou 'n voorspelbare verskynsel. Die Afrikaner wat
> homself op die skouer klop omdat hy nie saamkoek nie.
> Jy behoort aan daardie groep. Tenspyte van die feit dat
> jy sê dat jy nie saamkoek nie, gee jy mens die indruk dat
> jy op nuusgroepe met Afrikaners saamkoek, en persoonlik
> met hulle in korrespondensie is. So hoe is jy nou anders as
> hulle?
> Dis heel natuurlik dat Ellie met mense oorspronklik uit SA
> sosialiseer. Dit sou onnatuurlik wees as sy dit nie doen nie.
> Maar ek hoop haar SA vriendetal is divers, en dat sy nie-wit
> SA vriende ook het. Dit amuseer my somtyds as ek so
> die klomp "ex-pats" hoor praat. Jy kan tussen die reëls lees.
> Die expats is wit, en hulle sit en skinder ook oor ander wittes.
> Dit is of die res van SA wat nie wit is nie, net nie bestaan nie.
> Ek is altyd bly om iemand uit SA te ontmoet. Maar mens
> leer oor die jare om dadelik die "simptome" te herken. En soos
> ek al vantevore gesê het, dit is 'n duidelike aanduiding wat
> die "simptome" gaan wees, as jy weet wanneer hulle SA
> verlaat het.
>
> Die feeks van Delphi
>
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| Re: Embarrassing People Who Speak Afrikaans [boodskap #89016 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #88762] |
Vr, 09 Januarie 2004 15:32 |
Honest_Joe
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Nude Raider, you are a scuzz ball!
Our Afrikaner brethren have as much right to use their language as any
other people!
Because you are essentially monolingual does not mean that others need
to be.
As for stealing words from other languages, English has many Germanic,
Latin, and French words.
Please stop showing yourself to be an irritating ingrate and try to help
others before criticising.
You or some of your friends may be ashamed of being South African, but
others need not be.
As for rap, that is a subject best left to others, as I do not listen to
or care for it.
Here in Canberra, Australia, I've been mocked incessantly about my
nationality ("Japie, need I go on?) but I've got on with my life and
work and now manage most of those who did the mocking, who now call me
"baas".
So for those out there who have felt this and there are probably a few
of you out there, ignore them, praat die taal, opvoed die kinders en vasbyt!
As for you Nude Raider, get some clothes on and lock yourself in a dark
room!
BTW, how's the sheep, you sheep rooter!
Nude Raider wrote:
> I have to agree with your assessment of the arriving boers -
> filled with an air of self importance and expecting everyone to
> cowtow to their demands. I have noted it very strongly here in
> Australia ... they get off the plane and start wanting to bos
> everyone around like they own the place. After a few weeks they
> congregate as a few strong holds of afrikanerdom (yes the "DOM"
> bit seems quite appropriate), like the South African Club. The
> South African Club for those unfamiliar with the instritution is
> where home-sick tannies and ooms go to swop potjiekos and
> koeksuster recipes and reminisce about the maids and garden boys
> that they left behind. It surprises me that with these
> characteristics on display, that the afrikaners don't get it
> that they are behaving innapropriately.
>
> The English however are not party to such banal antics,
> preferring instead to jump in and assimilate (MIX - for boers
> not up on English). The benefit of this is that English speakers
> are eager to embrace the ways of their adopted country and see
> how they may contribute and assist in building in for the
> benefit of all. This goes hand-in-hand with national pride (not
> sure that is a word familiar to those living in SAfrica today).
>
> As far as wanting to make plank a languate to learn in NZ
> schools - the cheek of even asking is bizarre enough. Do the
> boers really think that they are important enough to have their
> language actually promoted - let alone tolerated in this first
> world country. I would actually put afrikaans on the same level
> as Black American ghetto (Rap) talk - sort of made up as it goes
> along type - always stealing words from other language (think IT
> technology here).
>
> Bye Bye now...
>
> Nude Raider
>
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