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| I know I said this was goodbye... [boodskap #27440] |
Di, 19 Oktober 1999 00:00  |
Adam
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... but I thought I should just let you know that my book found publishers
in both South Africa and the United States (under the title "The Emergence
of Modern South Africa") , as did others by me. It was prescribed by
several universities, both in SA and abroad, including some Afrikaans-medium
universities. It was particularly well reviewed by Stellenbosch academics,
who did not regard it as at all conventional or anti-Afrikaner. Written in
1983, it is still prescribed in some universities. It is still in print in
the U.S., and perhaps in SA (the publisher there is David Philip).
I do not blame you for making this elementary mistake, because I understand
English is not your native tongue, and I appreciate the trouble you have
taken in corresponding with me in my own native tongue.
And now I will slink away again, yellow dog and arrant fool that I am, to
the wider world and leave it to you to yap and be king of the castle in your
own shrinking backyard.
David
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Leendert van Oostrum wrote in message ...
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> Adam wrote in message ...
>> Leendert:
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>> If there is anything worse than a liar, it's a clever liar. You are
>> certainly clever, though I doubt you're intelligent.
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> There _is_ something even worse: A stupid liar - such as you.
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>> Look up the word "eristic", it's your trademark.
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> What makes you think that I need to look it up? Because, perhaps, _you_ had
> to mine it from a thesaurus?
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> And yes, I think the description fits.
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> You are always far more
>> interested in appearing to win an argument, than in getting any closer to
>> reality through debate.
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> How would you know? You refuse debate the moment you are pressured to follow
> the conventions of civilised debate.
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> "Truth", on the other hand, you would not recognise if you tripped over it.
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>> You're a pedant,
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> Yes. I get pedantic. Particularly when a silly little know-it-all swoops
> down on the news group and starts lecturing everyone, left, right and
> centre - from Gloudina up!
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>> but let's give credit where it is
>> due... you're a persistent terrier pedant, obviously with a lot of time
> on
>> your hands to yap and snap at the heels of your so-called >opponents.
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> You flatter yourself. To respond to your infantile blustering takes almost
> no time at all.
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> And yes "so-called opponent" describes your own status accurately.
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>> In the past, certain Afrikaners (especially bureaucrats and pedantic
>> academics) could impose their idea of the truth from on high, backed by the
>> power of the State. Now such people can only yap and whine and post
>> portentous judgments. Some things have improved in SA!
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> You are wrong. As always in the past, the great bulk of the yapping and
> whining still comes from outside the country. The Empire is out there,
> still.
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>> I personally think it's a massive tragedy that the Afrikaans language and
>> Afrikaner culture as a whole has such a tenuous future. People like you,
>> far from contributing to Afrikanerdom's strength and endurance, are
>> ultimately responsible for its demise. You have nothing to do with the
>> independent boere of the 19th century who were prepared to fight the
> largest
>> power in the world. You have everything to do with the little people
>> (especially but not only Afrikaners) who hid behind the power of the state
>> in the 20th century and exploited the masses, all the time claiming you
> were
>> bringing civilization to them.
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> Your own behaviour in this newsgroup closely matches the behaviour of the
> "little people" whom you describe above.
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> Indeed, your demeanour reminds me of the worst kind of colonialist
> know-it-all coming to "civilise" the Boers. Condescendingly colonising also
> this news group with your imperialist language and ideas
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> You arrant fool! (To say it in the politest way.)
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> Did you really believe that you could come and overwhelm the "dirty Boers"
> with your half baked theories, lifted from the self serving imperialist
> cogitations that comprise your so-called "standard histories"?
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> And make us grateful for being forced to converse with you in your own
> language to get a truth or two through your thick hide and into your thicker
> skull?
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> I do not suppose you have the faintest idea how savagely barbaric your
> behaviour is!
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> And, being the yellow dog that you are, you slink away yelping and hollering
> when you get kicked in the butt as you deserve!
>
>> This is goodbye, Leendert. I leave it to you to have the last word.
> You're
>> good at that.
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>
> Thanks! And no, I doubt your contributions will be greatly missed.
>
> Thanks, also, for demonstrating why I should give your book a miss if it
> ever finds a publisher.
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| Re: I know I said this was goodbye... [boodskap #27515 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #27440] |
Wo, 20 Oktober 1999 00:00  |
Leendert van Oostrum
Boodskappe: 1880
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Adam wrote in message ...
> ... but I thought I should just let you know that my book found publishers
> in both South Africa and the United States (under the title "The Emergence
> of Modern South Africa") , as did others by me.
My dear David, I did check up on your oeuvre. However, I was referring to
the forthcoming book that you came to advertise in this news group. (Hoping
to catch more Afrikaans medium institutions to prescribe it, perhaps?)
> It was prescribed by
> several universities, both in SA and abroad, including some Afrikaans-medium
> universities. It was particularly well reviewed by Stellenbosch academics,
Do you think that your gracious reviewers are aware that you have been known
to make false claims about the content of a text?
That you are, therefore, a known liar?
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