| Xolela Mangcu oor Mbeki en SA [boodskap #115034] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 12:18  |
Ferdi
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Going over the cliff with eyes wide open
Xolela Mangcu
IT's a mess. A big mess. Look around you .
We have the highest levels of inequality in the world; we have the
highest incidence of HIV/AIDS in the world; we have half of our
population living in poverty and unemployment; our youths roam the
streets with no hope in hell; our public hospitals have been turned
into morgues; our public schools are falling apart; we go to sleep
with our eyes half open; the Senegalese president calls President
Thabo Mbeki's project  the New Partnership for Africa's Development Â
nothing but Âintellectual swindleÂ; and our national commissioner of
police is suspected of being a mafia don. We cannot say we are
governed by the best and the brightest.
And then there is the nauseating arrogance of the very people
responsible for the mess. Essop Pahad tells journalists they are out
of order, and that they can go and write that the minister in the
Presidency said so. The bantustan leader Lennox Sebe used to speak
like that. But whether Pahad likes it or not, the question of the
president's knowledge of the existence of the warrant of arrest for
Jackie Selebi will lead to questions of whether the president himself
is guilty of defeating the ends of justice. This is what Richard Nixon
faced during Watergate, and it took his successor Gerald Ford to
pardon him. Mbeki is probably acutely aware that one possible future
president, Jacob Zuma, would not be that forgiving. The arrogance
extends beyond Pahad. Selebi boldly pronounces: ÂI will never be
arrested'; and Mbeki suspends the nation's attorney-general, Vusi
Pikoli, and catches the next plane out of town.
Are we in cowboy territory, or what? In fact, I am surprised that no
one has been killed yet. Zuma's supporters have been sounding off that
they might just do that to those who do not support Msholozi. The
unfortunate Terror Lekota got a taste of that when he was booed by
Zuma's supporters. But surely he was not expecting red carpet
treatment after calling them izibhanxa (fools) recently. Even if they
don't kill anyone, they will kick butt once they get into power, going
after all those who persecuted their man.
AND that may well be Mbeki's biggest fear. It looks like Zuma's intent
is simply to take care of business  which is to kick out Mbeki in
December  and deal with his own legal problems later. Mbeki is also
probably aware that he is running out of time, which may explain his
impatience with Pikoli. We often forget that Mbeki has only 18 months
before he steps down as president after the April 2009 elections. In
fact, his demise may even be sooner.
Six months before those elections, the African National Congress (ANC)
has to compile a list of its MPs, and, by law, Mbeki would not be on
top of it. Even though I have my doubts about it, some people say that
after December, the ANC could call a special congress in which it
recalls Mbeki from the presidency of the country. After all, he is
deployed to the presidency of the country by dint of his position as
president of the ANC. Remove him from the latter and he has no right
to the former. By this logic a great deal more than the party's
presidency hangs on December.
Business Day could not have explained Mbeki's behaviour better in
yesterday's editorial: ÂWhat is happening in our body politic is
unprecedented. All but the most die-hard Mbeki supporters now believe
that the race to win election as party leader in Polokwane in December
is Jacob Zuma's to lose. The more widespread that impression grows,
the more erratic Mbeki seems to become. There is, indeed, no one
quite as dangerous as a man in a corner. I often wonder what someone
like Nelson Mandela must feel, seeing the dream for which he and his
departed comrades sacrificed so much, falling into tatters. How could
Mandela possibly feel, having committed himself to obtaining freedom
in his lifetime only to see it being whittled away by his successor in
that same lifetime? It is truly sad that no one in the ANC has the
guts to stand up against the depredations of Mbeki and the problems of
a Zuma presidency.
It is like a group of people going over a cliff with their eyes wide
open. It is just absolutely amazing. Surreal is more like it.
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| Re: Xolela Mangcu oor Mbeki en SA [boodskap #115053 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #115034] |
Mon, 08 October 2007 06:34  |
Annette
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Eintlik hoef Mbeki net 3 eenvoudige dingetjies te doen hom weer oneindig
populêr te maak onder die wat vir hom stem - Dank Manto en Mbandla af, en
onderwerp Selebi aan dieselfde tipe openbare ondersoekkommissie as wat
Ngqula gekry het.
Annette
"Ferdi" skryf in boodskap news:pgm9g3lsm94n3fmsvbda55s5ku4u51e1fm@4ax.com...
> Going over the cliff with eyes wide open
> Xolela Mangcu
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> IT's a mess. A big mess. Look around you .
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> We have the highest levels of inequality in the world; we have the
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| Re: Xolela Mangcu oor Mbeki en SA [boodskap #115058 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #115053] |
Mon, 08 October 2007 08:35 |
duif
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:34:28 +0200, "Annette" wrote:
> Eintlik hoef Mbeki net 3 eenvoudige dingetjies te doen hom weer oneindig
> populêr te maak onder die wat vir hom stem - Dank Manto en Mbandla af, en
> onderwerp Selebi aan dieselfde tipe openbare ondersoekkommissie as wat
> Ngqula gekry het.
>
> Annette
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> "Ferdi" wrote in message
> news:pgm9g3lsm94n3fmsvbda55s5ku4u51e1fm@4ax.com...
>> Going over the cliff with eyes wide open
>> Xolela Mangcu
>> IT's a mess. A big mess. Look around you .
>> We have the highest levels of inequality in the world; we have the
>
Nie dat die openbare ondersoekommissie waaraan Nqula onderwerp was
vrugte afgewerp het nie, né. Dit laat die vraag natuurlik blywend oor
hoe neutraal die lede was.
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| Re: Xolela Mangcu oor Mbeki en SA [boodskap #115059 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #115053] |
Mon, 08 October 2007 09:46 |
Torreke
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"Annette" < wrote
> Eintlik hoef Mbeki net 3 eenvoudige dingetjies te doen hom weer oneindig
> populêr te maak onder die wat vir hom stem - Dank Manto en Mbandla af, en
> onderwerp Selebi aan dieselfde tipe openbare ondersoekkommissie as wat
> Ngqula gekry het.
>
> Annette
Dit sou baie doen om sy geloofwaardigheid te herstel.
Die vraag waarmee mens nou sit is: Waarom beskerm hy Selebi?
Dit lyk nie vir my asof Mbeki iets weet wat ons nie weet nie, eerder of
Selebi iets weet wat ons nie weet nie.
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| Re: Xolela Mangcu oor Mbeki en SA [boodskap #115060 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #115058] |
Mon, 08 October 2007 09:49 |
Annette
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Daar was nie lede nie, net een regter.
En eintlik het daar baie van daardie ondersoek gekom - dit het die Shaiks en
hul eienaardige maniertjies aan almal bekend gemaak wat voorheen van hulle
doenighede totaal onbewus was.
Annette
"Dave" skryf in boodskap news:apqjg3lhnohkbukqf812uue2lt9oi6q4of@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:34:28 +0200, "Annette"
> wrote:
>
>> Eintlik hoef Mbeki net 3 eenvoudige dingetjies te doen hom weer oneindig
>> populêr te maak onder die wat vir hom stem - Dank Manto en Mbandla af, en
>> onderwerp Selebi aan dieselfde tipe openbare ondersoekkommissie as wat
>> Ngqula gekry het.
>> Annette
>> "Ferdi" wrote in message
>> news:pgm9g3lsm94n3fmsvbda55s5ku4u51e1fm@4ax.com...
>>> Going over the cliff with eyes wide open
>>> Xolela Mangcu
>
>>> IT's a mess. A big mess. Look around you .
>
>>> We have the highest levels of inequality in the world; we have the
>
> Nie dat die openbare ondersoekommissie waaraan Nqula onderwerp was
> vrugte afgewerp het nie, né. Dit laat die vraag natuurlik blywend oor
> hoe neutraal die lede was.
>
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| Re: Xolela Mangcu oor Mbeki en SA [boodskap #115069 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #115059] |
Mon, 08 October 2007 20:14 |
Annette
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Die vraag is wat Manto en Selebi weet wat maak dat Mbeki vir hulle so bang
is.
Ek het die idee hulle het hom aan die short en curlies beet.
Annette
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> "Annette" < wrote
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>> Eintlik hoef Mbeki net 3 eenvoudige dingetjies te doen hom weer oneindig
>> populêr te maak onder die wat vir hom stem - Dank Manto en Mbandla af, en
>> onderwerp Selebi aan dieselfde tipe openbare ondersoekkommissie as wat
>> Ngqula gekry het.
>> Annette
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> Dit sou baie doen om sy geloofwaardigheid te herstel.
>
> Die vraag waarmee mens nou sit is: Waarom beskerm hy Selebi?
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> Dit lyk nie vir my asof Mbeki iets weet wat ons nie weet nie, eerder of
> Selebi iets weet wat ons nie weet nie.
>
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| Re: Xolela Mangcu oor Mbeki en SA [boodskap #115093 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #115069] |
Tue, 09 October 2007 19:50 |
Koot
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Annette wrote:
> Ek het die idee hulle het hom aan die short en curlies beet.
> Annette
>> Dit lyk nie vir my asof Mbeki iets weet wat ons nie weet nie, eerder of
>> Selebi iets weet wat ons nie weet nie.
Jy wil nie Selebi aan jou vyand se kant he as jy as die ANC se
hoofindoena verkies wil word in Desember nie....
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