| Oor ons Volkslied ( Engels) [boodskap #101802] |
Do, 10 Maart 2005 04:22  |
Annette
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Die skrywer het nogal 'n punt beet oor volksliede by sportgeleenthede:))
Read the story online:
http://www.news24.com/News24/Columnists/Chris_Roper/0,,2-163 0-1649_1673515,0
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Nkosi Sikelel' as bad as Die Stem
Mar 09 2005 07:51:28:797AM
Chris Roper
Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika is a "revoltingly religious" propaganda tool, and
sounds like a dog's breakfast looks, says Chris Roper.
I'm not a patriotic kind of guy. I love South Africans, because I've met
them, and because, hey, I am one. I love people's ideas of what it means for
them to be South African.
But I don't love South Africa, because I've never met it. And I hate
national anthems.
For me, there's very little difference between Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika and
Die Stem.
They're both propaganda tools, designed to bind people to swearing undying
(or in some cases, dying) loyalty to an idea of a country, an idea that
changes as and when politicians need it to change.
They're both Christian nationalism put to music, although I'm perfectly
willing to concede that history has made Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika more
palatable than Die Stem.
Not much more palatable, though. It's revoltingly religious, considering
we're supposed to be a secular nation.
I'm sure it's a shining example of South African reconciliation, but
frankly, it sounds like a dog's breakfast looks.
The ANC has a link from their site (www.anc.org) to the official version of
our anthem, and a translation into English. It includes these millenarian
yearnings:
"Descend, O Spirit
Descend, O Holy Spirit
Lord bless us
Your family."
The ANC website also gives some of the words to The Internationale, the
famous workers' song. Oddly, they leave out this bit:
"No saviour from on high delivers
No trust we have in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear."
One wouldn't want to get into a conspiracy theory here. Although it IS
almost irresistible.... oh, what the hell.
My conspiracy theory is that they don't want to remind the mass of religious
voters who voted for them that their party is built on a secular platform.
And they're uncomfortable about the bit about not trusting your betters.
Of course, the more likely explanation is that the person in charge of the
site cut and pasted incorrectly. But still, let's not let common sense get
in the way of a perfectly good conspiracy theory.
Given the state of our local music industry, some people might argue that a
national anthem that sounds like one of those Hooked on Crap Music cds with
all the songs mixed into each other is perfect for this country.
But I can't help feeling sorry for Bafana Bafana before every match. We're
supposed to have a team of players with rhythm, for heaven's sake!
How are they supposed to go out and perform after going through such a
confusing musical experience? No wonder they're always falling over their
own feet.
I've never understood this fetish for playing national anthems before
sporting events, anyway.
Wouldn't it make more sense to play the advertising jingle of the shirt
sponsor? Does anyone still think that sport is a substitute for actual wars?
No, there's no substitute for the real thing.
Save the anthems for people who're actually about to die. Every time I hear
a national anthem played, I can't help thinking - "Oh oh... my nation is
about to ask me to forgive another one of its cock-ups."
I'd rather believe in the people, no matter what soundtrack they choose for
their lives.
Chris Roper thinks that I will survive should be our national anthem. What's
YOUR choice? Let Chris know.
See Chris's previous columns on his blog The World.
Disclaimer: News24 encourages freedom of speech and the expression of
diverse views. The views of columnists published on News24 are therefore
their own and do not necessarily represent the views of News24.
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| Re: Oor ons Volkslied ( Engels) [boodskap #101809 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #101802] |
Do, 10 Maart 2005 08:09  |
Pieter Rautenbach
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> The ANC has a link from their site (www.anc.org) to the official version of
> our anthem, and a translation into English. It includes these millenarian
> yearnings:
Mmm... Regtig? Gaan kyk wat is by www.anc.org... Ek dink dit moet
liewer www.anc.org.za wees. :-)
Groete
Pieter
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| Re: Oor ons Volkslied ( Engels) [boodskap #101811 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #101802] |
Do, 10 Maart 2005 09:07 |
Ferdi Greyling
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:22:52 +0200, "Annette" wrote:
> Die skrywer het nogal 'n punt beet oor volksliede by sportgeleenthede:))
Ek hou nie van volksliedere nie. In die algemeen is dit "music to make
war by".
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| Re: Oor ons Volkslied ( Engels) [boodskap #101812 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #101811] |
Do, 10 Maart 2005 09:17 |
Deneile Riffel
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Rugby Oorlog
"Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:qkvv215rqihcdoklk1cctrj5lr6h93dfn0@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:22:52 +0200, "Annette"
> wrote:
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> Die skrywer het nogal 'n punt beet oor volksliede by
> sportgeleenthede:))
> Ek hou nie van volksliedere nie. In die algemeen is dit "music to make
> war by".
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| Re: Oor ons Volkslied ( Engels) [boodskap #101817 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #101814] |
Do, 10 Maart 2005 12:52 |
Annette
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Nee man!! Ons mag miskien teen die Engelse verloor het, wat saam met die
Taljaners heel onder is, met 0 punte, in die reeks, maar ons het mos die
Waliesers gewen wat bo-aan die puntlys is:))
So daardie liedjie werk soms nie:))
--
Groetnis
Annette
"Suidwester" skryf in boodskap news:oMidnUf9_IO2qq3fRVn-gQ@is.co.za...
> Dan is dit verlooroorlog vir die Bokke!
> "Deneile" wrote in message
> news:d0p3nl$8l6$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
>> Rugby Oorlog
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| Re: Oor ons Volkslied ( Engels) [boodskap #101821 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #101815] |
Do, 10 Maart 2005 14:09 |
Deneile Riffel
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Omdat die Stormers moan die ander SA Super 12 bly verloor.........die mense
sou dink dit was die volkslied se skuld!
"Annette" skryf in boodskap news:d0pg16$r16$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> Nou vir wat speel hulle dit nie by Super 12 wedstryde nie?:)
> --
> Groetnis
> Annette
> "Deneile" wrote in message
> news:d0p3nl$8l6$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
>> Rugby Oorlog
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| Re: Oor ons Volkslied ( Engels) [boodskap #101823 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #101821] |
Do, 10 Maart 2005 14:25 |
Annette
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Nee man - dis g'n die gebrek aan die volkslied by super12 se skuld dat
hulle verloor nie. Die rede is eintlik dat die ander spanne vinniger speel,
met meer intelligensie speel, en die bal beter hanteer:))
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Groetnis
Annette
"Deneile" skryf in boodskap news:d0pkof$6qj$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> Omdat die Stormers moan die ander SA Super 12 bly verloor.........die mense
> sou dink dit was die volkslied se skuld!
>
>
> "Annette" wrote in message
> news:d0pg16$r16$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
>> Nou vir wat speel hulle dit nie by Super 12 wedstryde nie?:)
>> --
>> Groetnis
>> Annette
>> "Deneile" wrote in message
>> news:d0p3nl$8l6$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
>>> Rugby Oorlog
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| Re: Oor ons [boodskap #119031 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #101802] |
Wo, 11 Maart 2009 05:38 |
Nou....@gmail.com
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Gaap. En die relevansie, professor? Dis nie Afrikaans nie -- Voertsek!
En sleep sommer jou jammerlike engelse stert saam weg en gaan speel
met jou handskoenpop.
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| Re: Oor ons [boodskap #119038 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #119031] |
Vr, 13 Maart 2009 17:35 |
Ferdi
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Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:38:49 -0700 (PDT), Nou....@gmail.com wrote:
> Gaap. En die relevansie, professor? Dis nie Afrikaans nie -- Voertsek!
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> En sleep sommer jou jammerlike engelse stert saam weg en gaan speel
> met jou handskoenpop.
Spoken like a true barbarian
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| Re: Oor ons [boodskap #119039 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #119031] |
Vr, 13 Maart 2009 18:09 |
Ferdi
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:38:49 -0700 (PDT), Nou....@gmail.com wrote:
aap. En die relevansie, professor? Dis nie Afrikaans nie --
Voertsek!
>
> En sleep sommer jou jammerlike engelse stert saam weg en gaan speel
> met jou handskoenpop.
Laat my toe om weer te reageer. Dis so lekker.
Jy weet nie watter plesier jy my aangedoen het deur die perfekte
reaksie te toon nie!
Dis 100% uit die copy book uit!!
Dit bewys meer dinge 100% korrek as wat jy ooit saam sal kan optel!!
Baie dankie vir die reaksie!
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