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Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95677] Wo, 28 Julie 2004 15:46 na volgende boodskap
Plato  is tans af-lyn  Plato
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Ek sien AGRI SA as betroubare mense. Hulle was nog net tegemoedkomend
teenoor herstel van grondregte aan swart mense. Hulle bekommernis in die
artikel is vir my 'n groot skrik...

HKGK

Plato

Farmers balk at BEE plan
28/07/2004 16:08 - (SA)

Johannesburg - South Africa's predominantly white farm owners harshly
criticised on Wednesday a plan by the government to place more land in
the hands of black farmers.

Agri South Africa, representing 40 000 commercial farm owners and 45 000
smaller-scale farmers, said that the plan unveiled this week to put 30%
of agricultural land in black hands by 2014 set out goals that may be
hard to reach.

But another hardline group of farmers, the Transvaal Agricultural Union,
charged that South Africa was now following Zimbabwe's path, where
thousands of white-owned farms were seized and handed over to blacks.

"I am concerned that the present version will contribute toward
unattainable expectations, especially considering that we have to
respect market forces and other limiting realities," Agri South Africa
president Japie Grobler was quoted by the Sapa news agency as saying.

"We must be both realistic and innovative in our approach towards this
real challenge before us," Grobler said in an address to farmers near
Cape Town.

Agriculture Minister Thoko Didiza released guidelines on Monday for
black economic empowerment in agriculture that are to form the basis for
a new policy to be adopted in November.

Under the plan, 30% of land will be black-owned by 2014, another 20%
will be leased by black farmers by the same date and 35% of farm
businesses will be black-owned by 2008.

"This places South Africa on an identical route of sub-Saharan Africa of
which Zimbabwe is the most recent example, where the collapse of food
and fibre security has resulted in widespread unemployment and famine,"
said the TAU in a statement.

The farmers' group said the plan will "lead to the collapse of
agriculture in South Africa" by destroying property rights and the free
market system.

The chairperson of Grain South Africa, representing 6 500 farmers
growing maize, wheat, soyabean and other commodities, said the
government had failed to take its concerns into account in its plan.

"Many of the key elements of the document agreed upon by stakeholders
and role-players have been omitted, whilst many others had been
unilaterally introduced," said Grain South Africa's Bully Botma.

"This has made a mockery of the whole negotiation process," Botma said
in a statement.

Under apartheid, most of South Africa's best land was reserved for
whites and thousands of blacks were driven off their land.

But land reform launched by former president Nelson Mandela in 1995 has
seen only three percent of land acquired by the government under the
"willing-buyer, willing-seller" scheme, according to official estimates.

Edited by Mahap Msiza
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95691 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95677] Do, 29 Julie 2004 07:33 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Ek het gedog dat hierdie afkorting net in my familie bestaan het. Is jy
familie van my? Is dit 'n alombekende afkorting?

Max____________________________

"Plato"

> HKGK
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95692 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95691] Do, 29 Julie 2004 08:00 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:33:55 +0200, Max wrote:

> Ek het gedog dat hierdie afkorting net in my familie bestaan het. Is jy
> familie van my? Is dit 'n alombekende afkorting?
>
> Max____________________________
>
>
> "Plato"
>
>> HKGK

Dit is 'n alombekende afkorting. Hier by ons is 'n bestuurder met die
voorletters G.K. en hy is ook vol van die laaste K, nodeloos om te sê dit
word vir hom ook gebruik ;-)

Chris
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95694 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95677] Do, 29 Julie 2004 09:24 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Op hierdie ng het ek voorheen gesê die plaasgrondkwessie gaan vir beide Nam
en SA nog groot moeilikheid bring en as die mense nie versigtig is nie, dan
gaan Zim se storie hier herhaal word. Toe word ek vertel ek moet nie ons
stupid land vergelyk met magtige SA nie. Net soos die mense doer rondom
die einde tagtigs gestorie het dat dit nooit sal gebeur dat die ANC die land
sal oorvat nie, so dink hulle duidelik dat SA se wetstelsel te
gesofistikeerd is om so iets toe te laat. Argumenteer liewers oor wie vir
wat sal wen oor die een se pa sterker is en omdat sy ma gereeld Sondag kerk
toe gaan.
Maar prakties? Gaan praat met die boere op die grond en hoor by hulle
waarom die landbou in beide lande besig is om sy gat te sien. Bloot omdat
dit slegte besigheid is om vandag te boer. Bo en behalwe die insetkoste
wat eskaleer, is dit nog die grondkwessie ook. Weens die onsekerheid wil
die boere nie meer belggings sommermeer maak nie en vat hulle liewer die
versigtige pad. Die risiko is eenvoudig te hoog. Daar is baie makliker
maniere om geld te maak as om te boer.
Bo en behalwe die moontlikheid van grondonteienings, is daar 'n ander
stille probleem waaroor niemand eintlik praat nie. Die hervestiging van
swart bestaansboere op plase aangrensend met kommersiële boere. Die
bestaansboere kan nie werklik 'n sinvolle bestaan op die kleiner gronde maak
nie en die hoeveelheid mense wat op hulle grond bly eskaleer ook maklik.
Hoe gee hulle die mense kos? Eenvoudig. Deur te steel van die
kommersiële plase! Dit beteken die kommersiële boer moet nou skielik
elektriese heinings en sulke dinge aanskaf net om sy eiendom te beskerm en
dit kos baie geld. Weens die misdaad en die spul plaasmoorde voel hy en sy
familie nie meer veilig op hul grond nie en daarom is seker maklik oor die
60% van alle lanbougrond op die een of ander vorm in die mark en sal hulle
verkoop as hulle net 'n billike prys kan kry.
Wie ly? Ooglopend die boer, maar dis eintlik die gemeenskap as geheel
want die landbou is die ruggraat van enige gesonde ekonomie.

"Plato" skryf in boodskap news:Xb2dnV79RK78V5rcRVn-sA@is.co.za...
> Ek sien AGRI SA as betroubare mense. Hulle was nog net tegemoedkomend
> teenoor herstel van grondregte aan swart mense. Hulle bekommernis in die
> artikel is vir my 'n groot skrik...
>
> HKGK
>
> Plato
>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95703 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95677] Do, 29 Julie 2004 10:17 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:46:57 +0200, Plato wrote:

> Ek sien AGRI SA as betroubare mense. Hulle was nog net tegemoedkomend
> teenoor herstel van grondregte aan swart mense. Hulle bekommernis in die
> artikel is vir my 'n groot skrik...

Drie goed om te onthou.
1. Die regering se "plan" is tand bloot n voorstel. Dis dus die begin
van onderhandelinge oor die kwessie.
2. Die persentasies is n groot afskaling van aanvanklike syfers net na
1994 as ek dit reg onthou)
3. As dit nie gebeur nie - op voorwaarde dit gebeur ordelik en met
samewerking van die meeste rolspelers - wag daar dalk groot probleme
op ons.

Die hele issue is om die onvermydelike herverdeling volgens rule of
law en met instemming van alle rolspelers en die samewerking van boere
te doen.
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95706 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95703] Do, 29 Julie 2004 10:28 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Probleem is net dat die boere wat produseer in tussentyd in twyfel lewe en
produksie ly daaronder....

"Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:4ijhg01ln2u4hf7gcpett2pif58d3tbmqt@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:46:57 +0200, Plato
> wrote:
>
> tegemoedkomend
>> teenoor herstel van grondregte aan swart mense. Hulle bekommernis in die
>> artikel is vir my 'n groot skrik...
>
> Drie goed om te onthou.
> 1. Die regering se "plan" is tand bloot n voorstel. Dis dus die begin
> van onderhandelinge oor die kwessie.
> 2. Die persentasies is n groot afskaling van aanvanklike syfers net na
> 1994 as ek dit reg onthou)
> 3. As dit nie gebeur nie - op voorwaarde dit gebeur ordelik en met
> samewerking van die meeste rolspelers - wag daar dalk groot probleme
> op ons.
>
> Die hele issue is om die onvermydelike herverdeling volgens rule of
> law en met instemming van alle rolspelers en die samewerking van boere
> te doen.
>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95710 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95706] Do, 29 Julie 2004 14:25 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:28:17 +0100, "Suidwester" wrote:

> Probleem is net dat die boere wat produseer in tussentyd in twyfel lewe en
> produksie ly daaronder....

Nie wat ek van hoor nie. Hulle kla eerder oor "insetkoste" wat alles
te doen het met die mark-stelsel en globalisme.
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95713 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95691] Do, 29 Julie 2004 15:21 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Plato  is tans af-lyn  Plato
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Redelik bekend sou ek sê...

;o)

Max wrote:

> Ek het gedog dat hierdie afkorting net in my familie bestaan het. Is jy
> familie van my? Is dit 'n alombekende afkorting?
>
> Max____________________________
>
>
> "Plato"
>
>
>> HKGK
>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95714 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95694] Do, 29 Julie 2004 15:26 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Jy is reg. Ek het met die seun van 'n groot boer in Mpumalanga gepraat
wat meen die boere verkoop graag en sal met liefde vir 'n salaris vir 'n
swart eienaar werk omdat dit meer gereelde en versekerde inkomste bied.
Hy hoef ook nie die risiko van normale boerdry in ag te neem vir sy
maandelikse brood en water nie. Die eienaar moet hom betaal of dit nou
droog is of nie...

Cheers
Plato

Suidwester wrote:

> Op hierdie ng het ek voorheen gesê die plaasgrondkwessie gaan vir beide Nam
> en SA nog groot moeilikheid bring en as die mense nie versigtig is nie, dan
> gaan Zim se storie hier herhaal word. Toe word ek vertel ek moet nie ons
> stupid land vergelyk met magtige SA nie. Net soos die mense doer rondom
> die einde tagtigs gestorie het dat dit nooit sal gebeur dat die ANC die land
> sal oorvat nie, so dink hulle duidelik dat SA se wetstelsel te
> gesofistikeerd is om so iets toe te laat. Argumenteer liewers oor wie vir
> wat sal wen oor die een se pa sterker is en omdat sy ma gereeld Sondag kerk
> toe gaan.
> Maar prakties? Gaan praat met die boere op die grond en hoor by hulle
> waarom die landbou in beide lande besig is om sy gat te sien. Bloot omdat
> dit slegte besigheid is om vandag te boer. Bo en behalwe die insetkoste
> wat eskaleer, is dit nog die grondkwessie ook. Weens die onsekerheid wil
> die boere nie meer belggings sommermeer maak nie en vat hulle liewer die
> versigtige pad. Die risiko is eenvoudig te hoog. Daar is baie makliker
> maniere om geld te maak as om te boer.
> Bo en behalwe die moontlikheid van grondonteienings, is daar 'n ander
> stille probleem waaroor niemand eintlik praat nie. Die hervestiging van
> swart bestaansboere op plase aangrensend met kommersiële boere. Die
> bestaansboere kan nie werklik 'n sinvolle bestaan op die kleiner gronde maak
> nie en die hoeveelheid mense wat op hulle grond bly eskaleer ook maklik.
> Hoe gee hulle die mense kos? Eenvoudig. Deur te steel van die
> kommersiële plase! Dit beteken die kommersiële boer moet nou skielik
> elektriese heinings en sulke dinge aanskaf net om sy eiendom te beskerm en
> dit kos baie geld. Weens die misdaad en die spul plaasmoorde voel hy en sy
> familie nie meer veilig op hul grond nie en daarom is seker maklik oor die
> 60% van alle lanbougrond op die een of ander vorm in die mark en sal hulle
> verkoop as hulle net 'n billike prys kan kry.
> Wie ly? Ooglopend die boer, maar dis eintlik die gemeenskap as geheel
> want die landbou is die ruggraat van enige gesonde ekonomie.
>
>
> "Plato" wrote in message
> news:Xb2dnV79RK78V5rcRVn-sA@is.co.za...
>
>> Ek sien AGRI SA as betroubare mense. Hulle was nog net tegemoedkomend
>> teenoor herstel van grondregte aan swart mense. Hulle bekommernis in die
>> artikel is vir my 'n groot skrik...

>> HKGK

>> Plato

>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95716 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95710] Do, 29 Julie 2004 15:38 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Ferdi, as jy nou 'n stuk plaas van R1,5M gehad het waarop daai selfde bedrag
op die grond staan in toerusting en jy moet toekomsbesluite daaroor neem en
jy is bewus van die onteieningsprobleem en die moontlikheid dat dit dalk kan
gebeur, dan gaan jy nie hoë risikos vat nie. Jou kontant gaan jy kontant
hou en jy gaan skuld maak by die bank in die hoop dat dit hulle geld is wat
gaan afchop. Waar jy onbevange 'n sekere aantal diere sou aanhou vir
vetmaak, skaal jy dit af net vir ingeval daar moeilikheid kom. Dieselfde
vir saaiery en plantery. Die bottom line is dat markproduksie afneem en
dit is nie goed vir die ekonomie nie. 'n Gesonde ekonomie kan nie
huiwering en twyfel bekostig nie. Ek ken baie boere wat reken waar hulle
voorheen gestoet en geteel het vir beter diere, hulle nou net spekuleer vir
vinnig geld maak sodat hulle kan lewe die dag wat Sam begin plase vat. Die
spekulasie maak dat die verkopers [in baie gevalle die swart kommunale
boere] belaglike pryse vir hulle diere kry want die mark is oorgooi van los
diere. Glo my, dis 'n gemors...

"Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:t52ig0hlkg1rcfknpu31098it029tukg6d@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:28:17 +0100, "Suidwester"
> wrote:
>
> lewe en
>> produksie ly daaronder....
>
> Nie wat ek van hoor nie. Hulle kla eerder oor "insetkoste" wat alles
> te doen het met die mark-stelsel en globalisme.
>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95721 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95703] Do, 29 Julie 2004 15:44 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Plato  is tans af-lyn  Plato
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Lyk maar vir my soos "Catch 22"

Cheers
Plato

Ferdi Greyling wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:46:57 +0200, Plato
> wrote:
>
> tegemoedkomend
>
>> teenoor herstel van grondregte aan swart mense. Hulle bekommernis in die
>> artikel is vir my 'n groot skrik...
>
>
> Drie goed om te onthou.
> 1. Die regering se "plan" is tand bloot n voorstel. Dis dus die begin
> van onderhandelinge oor die kwessie.
> 2. Die persentasies is n groot afskaling van aanvanklike syfers net na
> 1994 as ek dit reg onthou)
> 3. As dit nie gebeur nie - op voorwaarde dit gebeur ordelik en met
> samewerking van die meeste rolspelers - wag daar dalk groot probleme
> op ons.
>
> Die hele issue is om die onvermydelike herverdeling volgens rule of
> law en met instemming van alle rolspelers en die samewerking van boere
> te doen.
>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95726 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95716] Do, 29 Julie 2004 16:15 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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"Suidwester" skryf:

> Ferdi, as jy nou 'n stuk plaas van R1,5M gehad het

Ek glo nie mens sal daardie stukkie grond 'n plaas kan noem nie. Nie
in SA nie, in elkgeval.
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95732 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95726] Do, 29 Julie 2004 21:33 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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LOL, dit sal 'n erfie in Randburg wees....

Groete
Plato

Katryn wrote:

> "Suidwester" skryf:
>
>
>> Ferdi, as jy nou 'n stuk plaas van R1,5M gehad het
>
>
> Ek glo nie mens sal daardie stukkie grond 'n plaas kan noem nie. Nie
> in SA nie, in elkgeval.
>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95737 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95726] Vr, 30 Julie 2004 06:46 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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R1,5 miljoen? En hoe groot reken die koekie is die stukkie grond? In die
mieliegordel van SA sal jy meer as 200 hektaar hê en daarop produseer jy
veel meer mielies in 'n maand as wat die koek en haar familie in 20 jaar kan
opvreet. As jy niks sinvols te sê het nie, voeg liewers jy uitroepe in
vreemde tale by en gee vir ons 'n show.......tipies
Kooitryn/Strontbrommer/Soek-'n-streepmuis

"Katryn" skryf in boodskap news:1k8ig0pq98t5dojp3n47ai22cnecsivo98@4ax.com...
> "Suidwester" skryf:
>
>> Ferdi, as jy nou 'n stuk plaas van R1,5M gehad het
>
> Ek glo nie mens sal daardie stukkie grond 'n plaas kan noem nie. Nie
> in SA nie, in elkgeval.
>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95747 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95737] Vr, 30 Julie 2004 10:41 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Hoekom noem jy iemand 'n koek as hulle nie met jou saamstem nie?

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:46:06 +0100, "Suidwester" wrote:

> R1,5 miljoen? En hoe groot reken die koekie is die stukkie grond? In die
> mieliegordel van SA sal jy meer as 200 hektaar hê en daarop produseer jy
> veel meer mielies in 'n maand as wat die koek en haar familie in 20 jaar kan
> opvreet. As jy niks sinvols te sê het nie, voeg liewers jy uitroepe in
> vreemde tale by en gee vir ons 'n show.......tipies
> Kooitryn/Strontbrommer/Soek-'n-streepmuis
> "Katryn" wrote in message
> news:1k8ig0pq98t5dojp3n47ai22cnecsivo98@4ax.com...
>> "Suidwester" skryf:

>>> Ferdi, as jy nou 'n stuk plaas van R1,5M gehad het

>> Ek glo nie mens sal daardie stukkie grond 'n plaas kan noem nie. Nie
>> in SA nie, in elkgeval.


>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95752 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95747] Vr, 30 Julie 2004 12:48 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Klink vir my na 'n ou fete Ferdi. My ervaring is dat daar nie iets soos
"koeke" is nie. Net terte met 'n lang rakleeftyd....

Cheers
Plato

Ferdi Greyling wrote:

> Hoekom noem jy iemand 'n koek as hulle nie met jou saamstem nie?
>
>
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:46:06 +0100, "Suidwester"
> wrote:
>
>
>> R1,5 miljoen? En hoe groot reken die koekie is die stukkie grond? In die
>> mieliegordel van SA sal jy meer as 200 hektaar hê en daarop produseer jy
>> veel meer mielies in 'n maand as wat die koek en haar familie in 20 jaar kan
>> opvreet. As jy niks sinvols te sê het nie, voeg liewers jy uitroepe in
>> vreemde tale by en gee vir ons 'n show.......tipies
>> Kooitryn/Strontbrommer/Soek-'n-streepmuis
>> "Katryn" wrote in message
>> news:1k8ig0pq98t5dojp3n47ai22cnecsivo98@4ax.com...

>>> "Suidwester" skryf:
>
>
>>>> Ferdi, as jy nou 'n stuk plaas van R1,5M gehad het
>
>>> Ek glo nie mens sal daardie stukkie grond 'n plaas kan noem nie. Nie
>>> in SA nie, in elkgeval.
>
>

>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95754 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95747] Vr, 30 Julie 2004 13:27 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Man, ek en die vroumens het 'n lang geskiedenis. Sy hou nie van my nie en
ek hou nie van haar nie. Een van die dinge wat ek van haar haat, is omdat
sy sulke belaglike toevoegings maak soos hieronder om 'n plaas van R1,5
miljoen nie 'n plaas te wil noem nie. Hoekom hou sy nie liewer haar bek
nie of gaan speel met die ou antie nie? O, en ek het nie gesê sy's 'n koek
nie [maar sal daarby hou as dit jou plesier gee!] ek het haar
ge-koekie......'n troetelnaampie vir die liefie!

"Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:1e9kg057rcju6tjfc12konhbmcu2ll60lk@4ax.com...
>
> Hoekom noem jy iemand 'n koek as hulle nie met jou saamstem nie?
>
>
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:46:06 +0100, "Suidwester"
> wrote:
>
>> R1,5 miljoen? En hoe groot reken die koekie is die stukkie grond? In die
>> mieliegordel van SA sal jy meer as 200 hektaar hê en daarop produseer jy
>> veel meer mielies in 'n maand as wat die koek en haar familie in 20 jaar kan
>> opvreet. As jy niks sinvols te sê het nie, voeg liewers jy uitroepe in
>> vreemde tale by en gee vir ons 'n show.......tipies
>> Kooitryn/Strontbrommer/Soek-'n-streepmuis
>> "Katryn" wrote in message
>> news:1k8ig0pq98t5dojp3n47ai22cnecsivo98@4ax.com...
>>> "Suidwester" skryf:
>
>>>> Ferdi, as jy nou 'n stuk plaas van R1,5M gehad het
>
>>> Ek glo nie mens sal daardie stukkie grond 'n plaas kan noem nie. Nie
>>> in SA nie, in elkgeval.
>
>
>>
>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95757 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95737] Vr, 30 Julie 2004 13:59 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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"Suidwester" skryf:

> R1,5 miljoen? En hoe groot reken die koekie is die stukkie grond?

Ek reken dit is so klein erfie iewers in iemand se agterplaas. Iets
wat Plato toe ook bevestig het

Sjeim...
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95762 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95757] Vr, 30 Julie 2004 14:33 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Hie-hie-haaa-haaa! Hoe simpel kan jy wees? R1,5 miljoen sal vir jou 'n
lekker Kalahariplaas van 5 000ha, um, hektaar.....eh, 1km by 1km elkeen van
hulle vir jou koop.

"Katryn" skryf in boodskap news:lskkg0h5ub824bjhco9c26udrho7gjmigl@4ax.com...
> "Suidwester" skryf:
>
>> R1,5 miljoen? En hoe groot reken die koekie is die stukkie grond?
>
> Ek reken dit is so klein erfie iewers in iemand se agterplaas. Iets
> wat Plato toe ook bevestig het
>
> Sjeim...
>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95763 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95762] Vr, 30 Julie 2004 14:43 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Ek kan sien dat mens verder wes in SA grond redelik goekoop kan bekom.
Dis mos meer geskik vir beeste as ek dit nie mis het nie. Daar is wel
verbouing langs die Oranje rivier maar andersins is dit maar op grond,
nie waar nie? In Mpumalanga gaan jy egter hoes!

Groete
Plato

Suidwester wrote:

> Hie-hie-haaa-haaa! Hoe simpel kan jy wees? R1,5 miljoen sal vir jou 'n
> lekker Kalahariplaas van 5 000ha, um, hektaar.....eh, 1km by 1km elkeen van
> hulle vir jou koop.
> "Katryn" wrote in message
> news:lskkg0h5ub824bjhco9c26udrho7gjmigl@4ax.com...
>
>> "Suidwester" skryf:


>>> R1,5 miljoen? En hoe groot reken die koekie is die stukkie grond?

>> Ek reken dit is so klein erfie iewers in iemand se agterplaas. Iets
>> wat Plato toe ook bevestig het

>> Sjeim...

>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95765 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95762] Vr, 30 Julie 2004 14:58 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:33:22 +0100, "Suidwester" wrote:

Hie-hie-haaa-haaa! Hoe simpel kan jy wees? R1,5 miljoen sal vir
jou 'n
> lekker Kalahariplaas van 5 000ha, um, hektaar.....eh, 1km by 1km elkeen van
> hulle vir jou koop.

Waar ons heerlik met sand en skerpioene sal kan boer tot Sam Nujoma
dit kom afvat - soos jy waarsku.
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95766 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95765] Vr, 30 Julie 2004 15:25 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Daar is dele van die Kalahari wat nie onder Sam of Namibie val nie
Ferdi. En as Sam dit wil neem hoef hy net te maak of daar diamante op is
en dit word in 'n oogwink staatsgrond.

Cheers
Plato

Ferdi Greyling wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:33:22 +0100, "Suidwester"
> wrote:
>
[color=blue]>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95767 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95765] Vr, 30 Julie 2004 15:36 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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'Skuus my! Sand het die Kalari 'n skerpioene die het hy ook. Tampanne
nog meer. Sy water kan maklik 300m diep wees en jou pompie moet pomp dat
hy skyt om jou diere se watertjie bo te kry. Dan is daar plekke soos die
soutblok waar die water dik soos jellie word as hy die son vang.....maar jy
sal min boere kry wat nie ryk word in die Kalari nie. Die plase is groot
en hy dra goed. Siektes op die diere is maar skaars en dip is ongekend
daar. Jy vee 'n bees miskien so een keer in drie maande met 'n
sprinkaarspuit so onder sy vlakkies vir bosluise, dis al. Die diere word
baie groter daar as in die lowergroen Transvaal en die vleiskwaliteit veel
beter want die spierontwikkeling is beter aangesien die diere ver loop.
Ja die bobbejaantroppe sak op ons toe, maar gelukkig is dit ook nie enige
bobbejaan wat op die rooisand kan oorleef nie!

"Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:kfokg012uulu8debl6ikq5i0kme9dkte83@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:33:22 +0100, "Suidwester"
> wrote:
>
> Waar ons heerlik met sand en skerpioene sal kan boer tot Sam Nujoma
> dit kom afvat - soos jy waarsku.
>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95813 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95766] So, 01 Augustus 2004 09:49 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:25:12 +0200, Plato wrote:

> Daar is dele van die Kalahari wat nie onder Sam of Namibie val nie
> Ferdi.

Maar dan kan Suidwester dit nie aan ons aanbied nie.

En as Sam dit wil neem hoef hy net te maak of daar diamante op is
> en dit word in 'n oogwink staatsgrond.

Come on. De Beers is nog nie die staat nie.
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95814 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95767] So, 01 Augustus 2004 09:49 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:36:25 +0100, "Suidwester" wrote:

Dan is daar plekke soos die
> soutblok waar die water dik soos jellie word as hy die son vang.

Hoekom?
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95821 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95813] So, 01 Augustus 2004 10:24 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Weet jy hoe werk mineraal regte in ons land Ferdi?

Ferdi Greyling wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:25:12 +0200, Plato
> wrote:
>
>
>> Ferdi.
>
>
> Maar dan kan Suidwester dit nie aan ons aanbied nie.
>
>
>> en dit word in 'n oogwink staatsgrond.
>
>
> Come on. De Beers is nog nie die staat nie.
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95823 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95821] So, 01 Augustus 2004 11:21 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:24:51 +0200, Plato wrote:

> Weet jy hoe werk mineraal regte in ons land Ferdi?
>
>
>

ek sou daarvan hou om te weet, Plato.

My twee broers en ek is die (aspirant?) erfgename van
minerale regte op 610 morg. En dit enkele kilos vanaf
die rykste goudneerslae in die wêreld.
Ek dink nie eens vir 'n tweede keer daaroor nie, omdat
ek onder die indruk is dat minerale regte (erger as selfs
'n mampoerstook lisensie of delwerslisensie wat steeds
verkry kan word) use or lose is. Dit kan dus nie vererf
word nie.

DD
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95825 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95821] So, 01 Augustus 2004 11:40 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:24:51 +0200, Plato wrote:

> Weet jy hoe werk mineraal regte in ons land Ferdi?

Weet jy hoe werk siniese humor in Afrikaans?

Anyway, een van die dae werk dit (die mineraalregte) dalk soos hier
onder beskryf.

Uit Wired. Artikel op die web is by:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html

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Issue 11.09 - September 2003

The New Diamond Age

Armed with inexpensive, mass-produced gems, two startups are launching
an assault on the De Beers cartel.
Next up: the computing industry.

By Joshua Davis

Aron Weingarten brings the yellow diamond up to the stainless steel
jeweler's loupe he holds against his eye. We are in Antwerp, Belgium,
in Weingarten's marbled and gilded living room on the edge of the
city's gem district, the center of the diamond universe. Nearly 80
percent of the world's rough and polished diamonds move through the
hands of Belgian gem traders like Weingarten, a dealer who wears the
thick beard and black suit of the Hasidim.

David Clugston
David Clugston
Yellow diamonds manufactured by Gemesis, the first company to market
gem-quality synthetic stones. The largest grow to 3 carats.

"This is very rare stone," he says, almost to himself, in thickly
accented English. "Yellow diamonds of this color are very hard to
find. It is probably worth 10, maybe 15 thousand dollars."

"I have two more exactly like it in my pocket," I tell him.

He puts the diamond down and looks at me seriously for the first time.
I place the other two stones on the table. They are all the same color
and size. To find three nearly identical yellow diamonds is like
flipping a coin 10,000 times and never seeing tails.

"These are cubic zirconium?" Weingarten says without much hope.

"No, they're real," I tell him. "But they were made by a machine in
Florida for less than a hundred dollars."

Ian White
Ian White
A microwave plasma tool at the Naval Research Lab, used to create
diamonds for high-temperature semiconductor experiments.
Weingarten shifts uncomfortably in his chair and stares at the
glittering gems on his dining room table. "Unless they can be
detected," he says, "these stones will bankrupt the industry."

Put pure carbon under enough heat and pressure - say, 2,200 degrees
Fahrenheit and 50,000 atmospheres - and it will crystallize into the
hardest material known. Those were the conditions that first forged
diamonds deep in Earth's mantle 3.3 billion years ago. Replicating
that environment in a lab isn't easy, but that hasn't kept dreamers
from trying. Since the mid-19th century, dozens of these modern
alchemists have been injured in accidents and explosions while
attempting to manufacture diamonds.

Recent decades have seen some modest successes. Starting in the 1950s,
engineers managed to produce tiny crystals for industrial purposes -
to coat saws, drill bits, and grinding wheels. But this summer, the
first wave of gem-quality manufactured diamonds began to hit the
market. They are grown in a warehouse in Florida by a roomful of
Russian-designed machines spitting out 3-carat roughs 24 hours a day,
seven days a week. A second company, in Boston, has perfected a
completely different process for making near-flawless diamonds and
plans to begin marketing them by year's end. This sudden arrival of
mass-produced gems threatens to alter the public's perception of
diamonds - and to transform the $7 billion industry. More intriguing,
it opens the door to the development of diamond-based semiconductors.

Diamond, it turns out, is a geek's best friend. Not only is it the
hardest substance known, it also has the highest thermal conductivity
- tremendous heat can pass through it without causing damage. Today's
speedy microprocessors run hot - at upwards of 200 degrees Fahrenheit.
In fact, they can't go much faster without failing. Diamond
microchips, on the other hand, could handle much higher temperatures,
allowing them to run at speeds that would liquefy ordinary silicon.
But manufacturers have been loath even to consider using the precious
material, because it has never been possible to produce large diamond
wafers affordably. With the arrival of Gemesis, the Florida-based
company, and Apollo Diamond, in Boston, that is changing. Both
startups plan to use the diamond jewelry business to finance their
attempt to reshape the semiconducting world.

But first things first. Before anyone reinvents the chip industry,
they'll have to prove they can produce large volumes of cheap
diamonds. Beyond Gemesis and Apollo, one company is convinced there's
something real here: De Beers Diamond Trading Company. The
London-based cartel has monopolized the diamond business for 115
years, forcing out rivals by ruthlessly controlling supply. But the
sudden appearance of multicarat, gem-quality synthetics has sent De
Beers scrambling. Several years ago, it set up what it calls the Gem
Defensive Programme - a none too subtle campaign to warn jewelers and
the public about the arrival of manufactured diamonds. At no charge,
the company is supplying gem labs with sophisticated machines designed
to help distinguish man-made from mined stones.

Ian White
Ian White
"I was in combat in Korea and 'Nam. You better believe that I can
handle the diamond business," says Gemesis founder Carter Clarke,
center. His lieutenants have 27 diamond-making machines up and running
-- with 250 planned -- at this factory outside Sarasota, Florida
In its long history, De Beers has survived African insurrection,
shrugged off American antitrust litigation, sidestepped criticism that
it exploits third world workers, and contended with Australian,
Siberian, and Canadian diamond discoveries. The firm has a huge
advertising budget and a stranglehold on diamond distribution
channels. But there's one thing De Beers doesn't have: retired
brigadier general Carter Clarke.

Carter Clarke, 75, has been retired from the Army for nearly 30 years,
but he never lost the air of command. When he walks into Gemesis - the
company he founded in 1996 to make diamonds - the staff stands at
attention to greet him. It just feels like the right thing to do.
Particularly since "the General," as he's known, continually salutes
them as if they were troops heading into battle. "I was in combat in
Korea and 'Nam," he says after greeting me with a salute in the office
lobby. "You better believe I can handle the diamond business."

Clarke slaps me hard on the back, and we set off on a tour of his new
30,000-square-foot factory, located in an industrial park outside
Sarasota, Florida. The building is slated to house diamond-growing
machines, which look like metallic medicine balls on life support.
Twenty-seven machines are now up and running. Gemesis expects to add
eight more every month, eventually installing 250 in this warehouse.

In other words, the General is preparing a first strike on the diamond
business. "Right now, we only threaten the way De Beers wants the
consumer to think of a diamond," he says, noting that his current
monthly output doesn't even equal that of a small mine. "But imagine
what happens when we fill this warehouse and then the one next door,"
he says with a grin. "Then I'll have myself a proper diamond mine."

Clarke didn't set out to become a gem baron. He stumbled into this
during a 1995 trip to Moscow. His company at the time - Security Tag
Systems - had pioneered those clunky antitheft devices attached to
clothes at retail stores. Following up on a report about a Russian
antitheft technology, Clarke came across Yuriy Semenov, who was in
charge of the High Tech Bureau, a government initiative to sell
Soviet-era military research to Western investors. Semenov had a
better idea for the General: "How would you like to grow diamonds?"

A few hours later, Clarke was looking at a blueprint for an
8,000-pound machine that used hydraulics and electricity to focus
increasing amounts of pressure and heat on the core of a sphere. The
device, he was told, re-created the conditions 100 miles below Earth's
surface, where diamonds form. Put a sliver of a diamond in the core,
inject some carbon, and voilà, a larger diamond will grow around the
sliver.

Ian White
Ian White
Apollo's Robert Linares, looking through a chemical deposition
chamber. His patented method produces flawless crystals of diamond.
General Electric managed to do this in 1954 by using a 400-ton press
to crush the hell out of carbon. GE's machine economically produced
diamond dust for industrial uses, and by the early 1970s the company
had even managed to manufacture stones as large as 2 carats. But that
effort took so much time and electrical energy, it was more expensive
than buying a mined diamond. The Russians claimed their machine was
relatively cheap, took no more energy to run than a dozen lightbulbs,
and would produce a 3-carat stone in a few days. And the General could
have it for just $57,000.

Clarke was skeptical. On the long flight back to the States he tried
to forget about the offer and sleep, but the light creeping through
his window shade kept him awake. If this thing really could make a
diamond, he thought, $57,000 isn't that much money. "Hell," he mused,
"what could be more fun than trying to make diamonds?" By the time the
plane touched down in New York, he'd decided to give it a shot.

Three months later, Clarke returned to Moscow. Bodyguards met him at
the airport and took him to a warehouse outside the capital. In an
unheated room in the middle of winter, he watched Nickolai Polushin -
one of the original Siberian scientists - lift the top half of the
machine's sphere. Polushin pulled out a small ceramic cube, smashed it
with a hammer, and handed Clarke a small diamond. Everybody smiled.
The General eventually ordered three machines and told Semenov to ship
them to Florida.

But there were two immediate problems. First, nobody in the US knew
how to run them. Clarke solved that by moving a crew of Russians to
Florida. ("I felt myself all the time in a sauna," remembers Nickolay
Patrin, who now lives full-time in Sarasota.) The second and more
fundamental obstacle was that the Russians themselves had not yet
mastered the process. In fact, the machines did not reliably produce
diamonds.

The General and his newly minted Gemesis needed help. He turned to
Iranian crystal expert Reza Abbaschian, head of the University of
Florida's materials science department in Gainesville. Abbaschian
agreed to try turning the Russians' hit-or-miss method into a
rigorously controlled and more reliable technological process. With
the aid of some graduate students, he ripped out the analog knobs and
dials and installed a computer control system. They upgraded the power
supply and methodically tracked the slightest variation in each
diamond synthesis attempt. With more than 200 parameters to control,
it was painstaking work, and by 1999 - three years after Gemesis was
founded - the General needed another infusion of cash.

Abbaschian's efforts had produced some very high-quality stones. So
Clarke flew to London to show off a batch to potential investors.
Rather than simply present them as a pile of loose diamonds, he went
to a jeweler in Hatton Garden, the city's diamond district, and asked
if a few of his stones could be set in rings. The jeweler agreed, and
Clarke returned to his hotel room at Claridge's. The phone rang. It
was De Beers.

According to Clarke, a De Beers executive, James Evans Lombe, was
tipped off about the synthetic diamonds within two hours of their
arrival at the jeweler's. Lombe asked for a meeting with the General.
The De Beers executive drove directly to Claridge's, and the two men
sat down in the tearoom to the strains of a piano and violin duet.

De Beers refuses to comment on the meeting - or about anything for
this story - but Clarke says he simply placed his diamonds on the
table. "When I told him that we planned to set up a factory to
mass-produce these, he turned white," the General recalls. "They knew
about the technology, but they thought it would stay in Russia and
that nobody would get it working right. By the end of the
conversation, his hands were shaking."

But De Beers wasn't backing down. Throughout 2000, the cartel
accelerated its Gem Defensive Programme, sending out its testing
machines - dubbed DiamondSure and DiamondView - to the largest
international gem labs. Traditionally, these labs analyzed and
certified color, clarity, and size. Now they were being asked to
distinguish between man-made and mined. The DiamondSure shines light
through a stone and analyzes its refractory characteristics. If the
gem comes up suspicious, it must be tested with the DiamondView, which
uses ultraviolet light to reveal the crystal's internal structure.
"Ideally the trade would like to have a simple instrument that could
positively identify a diamond as natural or synthetic," De Beers
scientists wrote in 1996, when the company unveiled plans to develop
authentication devices. "Unfortunately, our research has led us to
conclude that it is not feasible at this time to produce such an ideal
instrument, inasmuch as synthetic diamonds are still diamonds
physically and chemically."

In the summer of 2001, Abbaschian told the General that they were
finally ready to mass-produce diamonds. There was one last decision to
make. Each machine was capable of generating a 3-carat yellow stone
every three days (colorless takes longer). Given their scarcity, the
price per carat was much higher for yellow diamonds - so much higher,
in fact, that only the very wealthy could afford them. Plus, colored
diamonds have gotten hot in recent years. (J. Lo's engagement ring?
Pink diamond.) Clarke decided that he'd make the biggest splash by
bringing yellows to Middle America. He'd compete on both price -
charging 10 to 50 percent less than naturals - and style. And, if he
succeeded with the yellow stones, he could transition into colorless.

The diamond industry fought back. Early last year, De Beers began
shipping improved, even more sensitive DiamondSure machines to labs
around the world. Meanwhile, industry groups led by the Jewelers
Vigilance Committee have pressured the Federal Trade Commission to
force Gemesis to label its stones as synthetic.

The tussle goes to the heart of the marketing problem for Gemesis or
any maker of synthetic gems: How will consumers feel about them? The
mystique of natural diamonds is anything but rational. Part of the
allure is their high cost and supposed rarity. Yet diamonds are
plentiful - De Beers maintains vast stockpiles and tightly controls
supply.

Clever marketing may bring buyers around to manufactured diamonds.
After all, there's no chance that they are so-called blood diamonds -
stones sold by African rebels to fund wars and revolutions. And they
aren't under the thumb of an international cartel accused of buying
off foreign governments, despoiling the environment, flouting
antimonopoly laws, and exploiting mine workers.

In fact, Gemesis is developing a marketing campaign that portrays
synthetics as superior to naturals. The General came up with a
proposal to brand the company's diamonds "cultured" - a deliberate
echo of the designation given to the wildly successful (and more
valuable than natural) cultured pearl. In an ambiguous April 2001
ruling, the Federal Trade Commission said that it was "unfair or
deceptive" to call a man-made diamond a "diamond," but offered no
opinion on the question of calling it a "cultured diamond."

So, for now, Clarke is sticking with cultured. But in the end, he
insists, it won't really matter. "If you give a woman a choice between
a 2-carat stone and a 1-carat stone and everything else is the same,
including the price, what's she gonna choose?" he demands. "Does she
care if it's synthetic or not? Is anybody at a party going to walk up
to her and ask, 'Is that synthetic?' There's no way in hell. So I'll
bite your ass if she chooses the smaller one."

Wrong, says Jef Van Royen, a senior scientist at the Diamond High
Council, the official representative of the diamond industry in
Belgium. "If people really love each other, then they give each other
the real stone," he says, during an interview at council headquarters
on the Hoveniersstraat in Antwerp. "It is not a symbol of eternal love
if it is something that was created last week." So goes the De
Beers-backed line. And forget the cultured pearl comparison, Van Royen
says. Man-made diamonds are more like synthetic emeralds, introduced
in large quantities in the mid-'70s. At first, their price was very
high, but then the gem labs discovered that the synthetics could be
easily distinguished using a standard microscope. The price collapsed
and is now less than 3 percent of naturals.

Van Royen is confident the council's lab can pick out synthetic
stones. To test him, I ask him to look at a half-carat light yellow
Gemesis diamond. A jovial, bearded man prone to nervous laughter, Van
Royen takes the rock and peers at it through a 10X jewelers' loupe.
"It is very pretty," he admits, giggling. "But so is cubic zirconium."
Although Van Royen's lab is outfitted with DiamondSure and DiamondView
machines (the Diamond High Council works closely with the Gem
Defensive Programme), he instead puts the gem into a more elaborate
piece of equipment - a Fourier transform infrared spectrometer that
registers the diffusion of light through crystal. Above the machine
hangs a large printout that shows six sets of graphs. Van Royen points
to one with a distinctive spike toward the right end of the horizontal
axis. "If it is synthetic, it should look like this," he says. Sure
enough, the machine displays a graph just like the one Van Royen
indicated.

But such high-end testing is far from the last word. Only a small
percentage of larger diamonds are lab-certified - though the number
seems to be growing as the industry becomes more aware of synthetics.
Diamonds that are smaller than a fifth of a carat are almost never
sent to labs, since the cost would eat up any profit made from them.
These modest stones actually represent a significant portion of the
market, since jewelry designers regularly use them to create sparkling
fields of diamonds on watches, earrings, rings, and pendants. Almost
all diamonds of this size are bought, processed, and sold by Indians
based in Antwerp and Bombay.

One such group - headed by the Choksi family - bought a $35,000 batch
of preliminary Gemesis research stones last year and is currently
selling them in India at a 10 to 20 percent profit. I met Sabin
Choksi, one of the company's principals, at a jewelry convention in
Las Vegas. He admitted that his customers don't know the stones are
synthetic, but says they don't care one way or the other. In other
words, Gemesis may be fully disclosing the nature of its stones, but
already one of its wholesalers is not.

In Antwerp, Van Royen tells me of another threat. There's a rumor of a
new, experimental method for growing gem-quality diamonds. The process
- chemical vapor deposition - has been used for more than a decade to
cover relatively large surfaces with microscopic diamond crystals. The
technique transforms carbon into a plasma, which then precipitates
onto a substrate as diamond. The problem with the technology has
always been that no one could figure out how to grow a single crystal
using the method. At least until now, Van Royen says. Apollo Diamond,
a shadowy company in Boston, is rumored to be sitting on a
single-crystal breakthrough. If true, it represents a new challenge to
the industry, since CVD diamonds could conceivably be grown in large
bricks that, when cut and polished, would be indistinguishable from
natural diamonds. "But nobody has seen them in Antwerp," Van Royen
says. "So we don't even know if they are for real."

I take a transparent 35-millimeter film canister from my pocket and
put it on the table. Two small diamonds are cushioned on cotton balls
inside. "Believe me," I say, "they're for real."

Three days before traveling to Belgium, I had flown to Boston to meet
Bryant Linares, president of Apollo Diamond. Linares has been
secretive about his company and was suspicious about me. He checked to
make sure I was really working for Wired by calling my editor, and he
wouldn't say where his company was located other than to tell me to
fly to Boston and wait for him at baggage claim.

When I arrive, a preppy, square-jawed man approaches me.

"I'm Bryant Linares," he says. "Follow me."

We get in his blue Saab and begin driving. In a half hour, I realize
I'm seeing the same scenery. I ask if we're driving in circles. "We're
not taking the most direct route," he allows. For 45 minutes, he
questions me about stories I'd written. Finally he seems to decide I'm
not a De Beers spy. "You're OK," he says. "There's no need for a
blindfold."

We pull up at a suburban strip mall occupied by a fitness gym and a
graphic design company. Linares leads the way into the graphics firm's
reception area, which looks normal enough. But when he opens one of
the interior doors, I catch a glimpse of a man dressed head to foot in
Intel-style clean-room scrubs.

"Welcome to Apollo Diamond," Linares says, waving me inside and
quickly shutting the door. He hands me a bunny suit, including
booties, goggles, and a hair cap, and leads me into a third room.
Three men dressed in similar contaminant-control outfits stand around
a cylindrical contraption that looks like a heavy-duty coffee urn
outfitted with a bolt-on porthole. A preternatural purple-green glow
emanates from the window.

I peer through the glass. Four diamonds are growing beneath a
shimmering green cloud. "It took me a long time to get to this point,"
says one of the men standing beside the machine. This is Robert
Linares, Bryant's father. In the 1980s, he was a well-known researcher
in advanced semiconductor materials. His company, Spectrum Technology,
pioneered the commercialization of gallium arsenide wafers, the
microchip substrate that succeeded silicon and allowed cell phones to
become smaller and handle more bandwidth. Linares sold the company to
PacifiCorp, a diversified utility, in 1985 and disappeared from the
semiconducting world.

It turns out he took the money and built a secret diamond research
lab. "I knew diamonds were going to be the ultimate semiconductor at
some point, but everybody thought it was impossible at the time,"
Linares says. "I had the freedom to do what I wanted after I sold my
company, so I spent almost 15 years researching on my own."

To grow single-crystal diamond using chemical vapor deposition, you
must first divine the exact combination of temperature, gas
composition, and pressure - a "sweet spot" that results in the
formation of a single crystal. Otherwise, innumerable small diamond
crystals will rain down. Hitting on the single-crystal sweet spot is
like locating a single grain of sand on the beach. There's only one
combination among millions. In 1996, Linares found it. This June, he
finally received a US patent for the process, which already is
producing flawless stones.

By January, Apollo plans to start selling them on the jewelry market.
But that's just the first step. Robert and Bryant Linares expect to
use revenue from the gem trade to fund their company's semiconductor
ambitions. Not surprisingly, the diamond industry is hostile to the
idea, as the younger Linares discovered four years ago when he
attended an industry conference in Prague. He was hoping to find out
whether any other researchers - possibly De Beers scientists
themselves - had discovered the sweet spot. During a break in the
conference, a man approached Linares and told him to be careful. "He
said that my father's research was a good way to get a bullet in the
head," Linares recalls.

The diamond industry is in fact even more concerned about gems made
using chemical vapor deposition than it is about Gemesis stones,
though Gemesis poses a more immediate threat. The promise of CVD is
that it produces extremely pure crystal. Gemesis diamonds grow in a
metal solvent, and tiny particles of those metals get caught in the
diamond lattice as it grows. CVD diamond precipitates as nearly 100
percent pure diamond and therefore may not be discernible from
naturals, no matter how advanced the detection equipment.

But the greatest potential for CVD diamond lies in computing. If
diamond is ever to be a practical material for semiconducting, it will
need to be affordably grown in large wafers. (The silicon wafers Intel
uses, for example, are 1 foot in diameter.) CVD growth is limited only
by the size of the seed placed in the Apollo machine. Starting with a
square, waferlike fragment, the Linares process will grow the diamond
into a prismatic shape, with the top slightly wider than the base. For
the past seven years - since Robert Linares first discovered the sweet
spot - Apollo has been growing increasingly larger seeds by chopping
off the top layer of growth and using that as the starting point for
the next batch. At the moment, the company is producing 10-millimeter
wafers but predicts it will reach an inch square by year's end and 4
inches in five years. The price per carat: about $5.

Back at the Diamond High Council, I open the film canister and shake
the Apollo stones onto the table. Van Royen tentatively picks one up
with a pair of elongated tweezers and takes it to a microscope.
"Unbelievable," he says slowly as he peers through the lens. "May I
study it?" I agree to let him keep the gems overnight. When we meet
the next morning in the lobby of the High Council, Van Royen looks
tired. He admits to staying up almost all night scrutinizing the
stones. "I think I can identify it," he says hopefully. "It's too
perfect to be natural. Things in nature, they have flaws. The growth
structure of this diamond is flawless."

Van Royen reluctantly hands the diamonds back. "You have something
that nobody else in Antwerp has." he says. "You should be careful -
somebody might jump out of the shadows with a mask on." He leans in
conspiratorially: "If you want to know how important these diamonds
are, talk to Jim Butler with your Navy. He is the man."

Jim Butler is the head of a project known as Code 6174 - the Navy's
diamond research arm, which is housed in a guarded facility outside
Washington, DC. A civilian scientist, Butler has been been researching
CVD diamond and semiconducting for the military for 16 years, long
enough to see plenty of failure in the field. But today, he's more
optimistic than ever. There have been three long-standing roadblocks
to diamond semiconducting - and each of them appears to be on the
verge of falling. First, diamond is viewed as wildly expensive, due to
the artificial scarcity that De Beers maintains with its lock on the
market. Synthesized diamonds created outside of the cartel will
greatly reduce that problem. Second, there has never been a steady and
dependable supply of large, pure diamonds. You can't depend on mined
diamonds, as there is no way to ensure that each stone will have the
same electrical properties as the next. Apollo's CVD diamonds solve
that.

The third big challenge has been the most daunting for materials
scientists: To form microchip circuits, positive and negative
conductors are needed. Diamond is an inherent insulator - it doesn't
conduct electricity. But both Gemesis and Apollo have been able to
inject boron into the lattice, which creates a positive charge. Until
now, though, no one had been able to manufacture a negatively charged,
or n-type, diamond with sufficient conductivity. When I visit Butler
in Washington, he can barely contain his glee. "There's been a major
breakthrough," he tells me. In June, together with scientists from
Israel and France, he announced a novel way of inverting boron's
natural conductivity to form a boron-doped n-type diamond. "We now
have a p-n junction," Butler says. "Which means that we have a diamond
semiconductor that really works. I can now see an Intel diamond
Pentium chip on the horizon."

Still, Butler is frustrated with what he thinks of as myopia in the US
computer business. "Europe and Japan have been investing in diamond
semiconductor research," he says, citing the Japanese government's
announcement in December that it would begin allocating $6 million a
year to build a first-generation diamond chip. "Bob Linares has given
the US the advantage, but nobody's paying any attention," he says. "If
we're not careful, the Japanese or the Europeans are going to claim
the diamond niche."

Indeed, Intel's top materials executives weren't aware of the latest
research breakthroughs when I spoke to them in June, although they
certainly understood the potential for diamonds in computing.
"Diamonds represent a seismic change in semiconductors," says
Krishnamurthy Soumyanath, Intel's director of communications circuits
research. "It takes us about 10 years to evaluate a new material. We
have a lot of investment in silicon. We're not about to abandon that."

But someday, that's exactly what chipmakers will be forced to do. Just
ask Bernhardt Wuensch, an MIT professor of materials science. "If
Moore's law is going to be maintained, processors are going to get
hotter and hotter," he tells me. "Eventually, silicon is just going to
turn into a puddle. Diamond is the solution to that problem."

The JCK Show is one of the biggest events in the jewelry business. It
draws every major diamond dealer in the US, most of whom buy their
goods from De Beers. This year, for the first time, the General tried
to get a booth. He was told that he'd applied too late. He suspected
that the industry simply didn't want him there, but he took it
gracefully and announced that Gemesis would unveil its stones at a
smaller satellite convention down the street.

I head to Las Vegas to check it out. The Gem and Lapidary Dealers
Association Show is held in a large room at the back of the Mirage.
Here - amid purveyors of quartz-encrusted, electric-powered water
fountains ("Be amazed by their magic!"), Lithuanian amber salesmen,
Nigerian tanzanite dealers, and Vegas-style cowboys in ostrich skin
boots - is the Gemesis booth, which displays more than 1,000 carats of
yellow diamonds. The show ends tonight, and JCK starts tomorrow
morning, so the last few hours see a whirlwind of recently arrived
JCK-bound buyers. Efraim Katz, a yarmulke-clad, heavily bearded gem
wholesaler from Miami, literally jogs through the room but pauses in
front of Gemesis.

"Diamonds mined in Florida?" he asks a Gemesis rep. "I can't believe
it. Give me your number - I will be calling."

Kevin Castro, a jeweler in Cedar City, Utah, comes to a surprised
halt. "These are awfully pretty," he says.

I tell him that they are man-made and ask if that bothers him.

"If you go into a florist and buy a beautiful orchid, it's not grown
in some steamy hot jungle in Central America," he says. "It's grown in
a hothouse somewhere in California. But that doesn't change the fact
that it's a beautiful orchid."

"Do you care that it's not from De Beers?" I ask.

"De Beers?" he says. "Nobody cares if it's from De Beers. My clients
just want a nice diamond."

How to Make a Diamond

The Gemesis Way:
High pressure, high temperature. Crystal is created in a chamber that
mimics geologic conditions.

Giacomo Marchesi
Giacomo Marchesi
Ceramic growth chamber
1. Place metal solvents and graphite in ceramic growth chamber. Insert
diamond seed at bottom of chamber and put chamber in center of
compression sphere.
2. Force oil into top layer of sphere, creating pressure against steel
anvils. Increasing pressure is transferred through anvils and onto
growth chamber. Even with minimal pressure at surface, force at center
reaches 58,000 atmospheres.
3. Turn on juice. Current wired to one end of ceramic chamber raises
temperature to 2,300 degrees Fahrenheit. Heat and pressure cause
graphite - pure carbon - to atomize. Freed carbon drawn to cooler end
of chamber bonds to diamond seed, crystallizing layer by layer.
Giacomo Marchesi
Giacomo Marchesi
Carbon Atoms
4. Wait three days.
Giacomo Marchesi
Giacomo Marchesi
5. Open machine. Smash growth chamber, pull out stone. Cut and polish
to make sparkling diamond gem.

The Apollo Way
Chemical vapor deposition. Crystal is formed when a plasma cloud rains
carbon onto diamond wafers.
1. Place diamond wafers on pedestal. Depressurize chamber to one-tenth
of an atmosphere.
2. Inject hydrogen, natural gas (CH4) into chamber. Heat with
microwave beam. At 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit, electrons separate from
nuclei, forming plasma.
Giacomo Marchesi
Giacomo Marchesi
3. Let it rain. Freed carbon precipitates out of plasma cloud and is
deposited on wafer seeds.
4. Let it grow. Wafer seeds gradually become diamond minibricks,
building up at half a millimeter a day.
Giacomo Marchesi
Giacomo Marchesi
5. Open chamber and remove diamond brick. Slice into wafers for
semiconductors or cut and polish to make gems.
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95830 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95823] So, 01 Augustus 2004 13:00 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:21:44 +0200, DeeDee wrote:

My twee broers en ek is die (aspirant?) erfgename van
> minerale regte op 610 morg. En dit enkele kilos vanaf
> die rykste goudneerslae in die wêreld.
> Ek dink nie eens vir 'n tweede keer daaroor nie, omdat
> ek onder die indruk is dat minerale regte (erger as selfs
> 'n mampoerstook lisensie of delwerslisensie wat steeds
> verkry kan word) use or lose is. Dit kan dus nie vererf
> word nie.

Die goeie nuus is dat - sover ek weet - jy deesdae mampoer sonder
lisensie kan stook. Die lisensies was destyds maar net om die KWV te
bevoordeel.
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95832 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95830] So, 01 Augustus 2004 14:28 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Ferdi Greyling raai:

> Die goeie nuus is dat - sover ek weet - jy deesdae mampoer sonder
> lisensie kan stook. Die lisensies was destyds maar net om die KWV te
> bevoordeel.
>

wonder of jy reg sou wees. Ek het mampoer in my motorhuis gestook.
Heelwat jare gelede. En natuurlik het net 'n uitgesoekte klompie
daarvan geweet.

DD

Don't hate the player,
hate the game.
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95847 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95825] So, 01 Augustus 2004 20:29 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Anoth  is tans af-lyn  Anoth
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Okay.

:o)

Ferdi Greyling wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:24:51 +0200, Plato wrote:
>
>
> Weet jy hoe werk siniese humor in Afrikaans?
>
> Anyway, een van die dae werk dit (die mineraalregte) dalk soos hier
> onder beskryf.
>
>
> Uit Wired. Artikel op die web is by:
> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Issue 11.09 - September 2003
>
>
>
> The New Diamond Age
>
> Armed with inexpensive, mass-produced gems, two startups are launching
> an assault on the De Beers cartel.
> Next up: the computing industry.
>
> By Joshua Davis
>
> Aron Weingarten brings the yellow diamond up to the stainless steel
> jeweler's loupe he holds against his eye. We are in Antwerp, Belgium,
> in Weingarten's marbled and gilded living room on the edge of the
> city's gem district, the center of the diamond universe. Nearly 80
> percent of the world's rough and polished diamonds move through the
> hands of Belgian gem traders like Weingarten, a dealer who wears the
> thick beard and black suit of the Hasidim.
> [geknip]
>
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95874 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95813] Ma, 02 Augustus 2004 07:36 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
PietR  is tans af-lyn  PietR
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Hrrmmm! De Beers in Nam behoort 50% aan die staat. Glo as vergoeding oor
die jare se diamante wat hulle uit ons land gevat het en aan die SA regering
belasting betaal het?

"Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:83fpg0d1esg31a5lg7mdser8ldbojscsau@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:25:12 +0200, Plato
> wrote:
>
> > Ferdi.
>
> Maar dan kan Suidwester dit nie aan ons aanbied nie.
>
> > en dit word in 'n oogwink staatsgrond.
>
> Come on. De Beers is nog nie die staat nie.
Re: Plase word vinniger gevat - In SA [boodskap #95875 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #95814] Ma, 02 Augustus 2004 07:48 Na vorige boodskap
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Sover ek weet is daar baie loog in die water. Kry hy son, dan word dit
jellierig. Die water is in elk geval baie brak en as jy dit drink en jou
maag is nie gewoond daaraan nie, dan sal jy erge spuitpoep kry......soos in
naald se oog tref op 300 treë? G'n mens kon nog ooit hier oorleef nie en
die veld is pragtig. Toe kom die blanke boere en hulle vat plase hier en
word skatryk. Hull'et aanvanklik water van die naaste buurman of boorgat
wat skoon water gelewer het aangelê met pype wat oor vele kilometers strek.
Alles hang natuurlik af van die wil om 'n ding te doen?
Vandag is dit veel interessanter en die tegnologie het bygekom. 'n
Boorgat in ons Kalahari kan mos maklik 250-300m diep wees. Nou het hulle
uitgevind dat die loogwatertjie te vlak is en dat jy deur hom moet gaan en
onder hom gaan jy vars water kry. Nou sit hulle 'n kleiner 'casing' in die
bestaande looggat en vul die kante tussen die 'casing' [PVC] en die grond
rondom met 'n vuller en seel so die loogwater af. Dan boor hulle deur die
bank onder die loog en jy is in vars water. Koste? So R120 000 per
boorgat. In realiteit? Die blanke kommersiële boer betaal dit met 'n
glimlag omdat hy weet hy gaan die geld uit prooduksie herwin. Die swart
bestaansboere? WAg vir die regering om iets aan hulle lot te kom
doen.....genadiglik hou hulle ernstig verby die Soutblok!!

"Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:k5fpg0l6npjv0ip2bh5m5ga5qq31hghdrh@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:36:25 +0100, "Suidwester"
> wrote:
>
> > soutblok waar die water dik soos jellie word as hy die son vang.
>
> Hoekom?
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