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| Re: AT LAST! LAND FOR OUR MASSES + starvation and squalour [boodskap #81280] |
Ma, 28 Julie 2003 19:46  |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:29:25 +0200, "Skokkie" wrote:
"Bodie" skryf in boodskap news:3f22ff8c.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>
> "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message
> news:fkmghvkacdciotkh09jtr8dtlfr325ldhq@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:27:44 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message
>>> news:vokghv8rtu93vf5q4f30eo6hggars6tcpq@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:39:18 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote:
>>
>>>> >e. Loop bou jou eie huis en los myne uit, anders gaan ek
>>>> >my "1994 oordentlikheid" vergeet...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>
>>>> Waar wil jy nou meer van erkentlikheid hé,
>>>> dat die pampoen wat nou sy huis wil beskerm
>>>> een van die gekke was wat die anc ingestem het?
>>
>>>> Speedy
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jy dink tog seer sekerlik nie die Afrikaanse Teenstand Beweging gaan joune
>>> beskerm nie??
>>>
>>
>> Nee, beslis nie, maar beslis kyk ek in die spieël, en sê aan die ou
>> wat terug kyk. dat hy tevrede kan wees omdat hy geen aandeel het
>> in die huidige toestand nie.
>>
>> Speedy
>
>
> My afrikaans is nie van die beste nie, maar ek dink die volgende is van
> toepassing.
>
> Hoor, hoor!
>
> Bodie. (hopefully I got that right)
>
You are always hopeful, but as usual, missed again!
>
> "Bodie" wrote in message
> news:3f23027a.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>> "Skokkie" wrote in message
>> news:3f1d8c3f.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>>>
>>> "Andries Joubert" wrote in message
>>> news:7ae3062676e7b18eeb94bba0cd5c80e7@free.teranews.com...
>>>> the time is very high for all our landless brothers
>>>> and sisters to claim land from the setlars who
>>>> robbed us from our belovd african soil long ago.
>>>>
>>>> today i see a very intresting newspapar article
>>>> in the rekord of city tswane wich make me very
>>>> proud and happy to include the same article here
>>>> below. now at last we have the hope for the future
>>>> and for our childern. we want our land we want
>>>> our houses!
>>>>
>>>> uhuru africa! amandla!
>>>>
>>>> (anfortunatly it is in afrikans and not only in english
>>>> as it must have been.)
>>>>
>>>> justus for africa
>>>
>>>
>>> Landless Brother
>>>
>>> You were originally permitted to occupy your land under permission from a
>>> form of liege that is known in certain parts as AmaKhosi or Inkosi. Your
>>> forefathers never owned it themselves. The Inkosi were displaced by the
>>> colonialists and their re-establishment following the demise of colonialism
>>> is currently being phased out by the Social Democratic (some say just plain
>>> socialist) government.
>>>
>>> The economics of food production for a population of over 40 million rule
>>> out the possibility of communal production for self consumption. Large scale
>>> commercial farming is required in order to produce the food that is required
>>> for the majority of South Africans to comfortably enjoy the freedoms that
>>> were won for them at such a great cost. The quality of traditional
>>> lifestyles that remain amongst people like the AmaNchunu (SP?) is being
>>> eroded by people who feed them political nonsense that comes from beyond
>>> their frame of reference. They have always been hard working people who
>>> deserve to see change in the quality of their lifestyle but not its
>>> essential character. They no longer store grain as they have been told that
>>> it is the governments undertaking to provide this through donations from
>>> people who owe them some sort of debt.
>>>
>>> The houses that you are currently being provided are of a similar size to
>>> those that the people occupied during pre-colonial times. They were adequate
>>> then as they were out in the wide open spaces. The acres of boxes that you
>>> are now readily accepting as homes for free represent an undersupply as you
>>> should have something much larger in order to meet your needs in a modern
>>> society. They are merely houses and not homes, and they represent a
>>> developing social problem as existing neighbourhood and familiar structures
>>> are ignored and over ruled in the need to "roll out" supply. The government
>>> does not have the resources to provide you with a house that is sized
>>> according to modern requirements, something significantly larger than the
>>> pre colonial version that you propose as a model for restitution. If you are
>>> to achieve the quality of life that your liberating fathers intended for you
>>> there will have to be some sort of toil and input on your behalf and there
>>> are not enough white men for the government to dispossess in order to
>>> furnish your expectations for a free ride.
>>> According to current government policy, the land that you may be given will
>>> be subject to rates and taxes and this will mean that you effectively do not
>>> own it and if you fall behind in payments the result will be dispossession.
>>> You could opt for some sort of campaign of resistance and refuse to pay
>>> saying that it is the whites who must pay. There are not enough of them to
>>> carry you. This is a function of the demography that allows you to enjoy
>>> majority rule
>>>
>>> Get in tune with the 21st century my man, There are plenty of people in
>>> Zimbabwe who are chanting "uhuru africa! amandla!" and are trying to live
>>> on tree bark to survive. The government has not been able to meet everyone's
>>> expectations and so only those close to the ruling clique are catered for.
>>> The brothers there are unable to even think about enjoying a nice beer after
>>> work as they cost over Z$ 650.00 which is more than the officially mandated
>>> minimum monthly salary. They are available to wealthy tourists only. Their
>>> money is no longer flowing into the economy as they are being chased away
>>> because they are regarded as targets for redistribution and if they are not
>>> exploited by strange financial coercion such as entry taxes or carbon taxes
>>> they are hit by self justified empowerment and redistribution operators who
>>> rob them and / or kill them.
>>>
>>> So what is the use of being given land if you are unable to grow anything on
>>> it, and you cannot raise a family on it, and you cannot make a home on it,
>>> and you are responsible to continually pay for the use of it in the face of
>>> a lack of employment and ..............
>>>
>>> It is clear that a more responsible method of land acquisition is required,
>>> something that is more practical than the dreams set out in your messages.
>>>
>>>
>> My word, I must be getting ill.
>
> Bodie - what a real breakthrough this is for you to realise that you are
> ill. All of my words have not been in vain, some have hit home.
>
>> You post actually made sense and echo's most of what has already been
> said,
>
> So I suppose that you are going to start harping on about plagiarism again
> then
>
>
>> and no doubt will continue to be said, about the land issue in Africa.
>> It is a fact that the politically/economically naive will be the first to
>> shout for land and it stands to reason they will also be the first ones in
>> the queue with their grubby paws outstretched for food aid.
>
> This is not true at all. The degree of naivety and economic activity does
> not mitigate against the fact that they did have the land swiped from them
> in the first place and thay should have their concerns addressed. The issue
> is that they must come to the party in the modern world.
>
> "they will also be the first ones in the queue with their grubby paws
> outstretched for food aid." - please retract and revisit that statement as I
> do not believe any sane and sensible South African in the 21st Century could
> still think like that. Bodie the other stuff in the other threads has been a
> lot of fun but I really cannot bring myself to believe that you actually
> think like this in the serious world.
>
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| Re: AT LAST! LAND FOR OUR MASSES + starvation and squalour [boodskap #81282 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #81280] |
Ma, 28 Julie 2003 19:46  |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:29:25 +0200, "Skokkie" wrote:
"Bodie" skryf in boodskap news:3f22ff8c.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>
> "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message
> news:fkmghvkacdciotkh09jtr8dtlfr325ldhq@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:27:44 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message
>>> news:vokghv8rtu93vf5q4f30eo6hggars6tcpq@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:39:18 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote:
>>
>>>> >e. Loop bou jou eie huis en los myne uit, anders gaan ek
>>>> >my "1994 oordentlikheid" vergeet...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>
>>>> Waar wil jy nou meer van erkentlikheid hé,
>>>> dat die pampoen wat nou sy huis wil beskerm
>>>> een van die gekke was wat die anc ingestem het?
>>
>>>> Speedy
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jy dink tog seer sekerlik nie die Afrikaanse Teenstand Beweging gaan joune
>>> beskerm nie??
>>>
>>
>> Nee, beslis nie, maar beslis kyk ek in die spieël, en sê aan die ou
>> wat terug kyk. dat hy tevrede kan wees omdat hy geen aandeel het
>> in die huidige toestand nie.
>>
>> Speedy
>
>
> My afrikaans is nie van die beste nie, maar ek dink die volgende is van
> toepassing.
>
> Hoor, hoor!
>
> Bodie. (hopefully I got that right)
>
You are always hopeful, but as usual, missed again!
>
> "Bodie" wrote in message
> news:3f23027a.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>> "Skokkie" wrote in message
>> news:3f1d8c3f.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>>>
>>> "Andries Joubert" wrote in message
>>> news:7ae3062676e7b18eeb94bba0cd5c80e7@free.teranews.com...
>>>> the time is very high for all our landless brothers
>>>> and sisters to claim land from the setlars who
>>>> robbed us from our belovd african soil long ago.
>>>>
>>>> today i see a very intresting newspapar article
>>>> in the rekord of city tswane wich make me very
>>>> proud and happy to include the same article here
>>>> below. now at last we have the hope for the future
>>>> and for our childern. we want our land we want
>>>> our houses!
>>>>
>>>> uhuru africa! amandla!
>>>>
>>>> (anfortunatly it is in afrikans and not only in english
>>>> as it must have been.)
>>>>
>>>> justus for africa
>>>
>>>
>>> Landless Brother
>>>
>>> You were originally permitted to occupy your land under permission from a
>>> form of liege that is known in certain parts as AmaKhosi or Inkosi. Your
>>> forefathers never owned it themselves. The Inkosi were displaced by the
>>> colonialists and their re-establishment following the demise of colonialism
>>> is currently being phased out by the Social Democratic (some say just plain
>>> socialist) government.
>>>
>>> The economics of food production for a population of over 40 million rule
>>> out the possibility of communal production for self consumption. Large scale
>>> commercial farming is required in order to produce the food that is required
>>> for the majority of South Africans to comfortably enjoy the freedoms that
>>> were won for them at such a great cost. The quality of traditional
>>> lifestyles that remain amongst people like the AmaNchunu (SP?) is being
>>> eroded by people who feed them political nonsense that comes from beyond
>>> their frame of reference. They have always been hard working people who
>>> deserve to see change in the quality of their lifestyle but not its
>>> essential character. They no longer store grain as they have been told that
>>> it is the governments undertaking to provide this through donations from
>>> people who owe them some sort of debt.
>>>
>>> The houses that you are currently being provided are of a similar size to
>>> those that the people occupied during pre-colonial times. They were adequate
>>> then as they were out in the wide open spaces. The acres of boxes that you
>>> are now readily accepting as homes for free represent an undersupply as you
>>> should have something much larger in order to meet your needs in a modern
>>> society. They are merely houses and not homes, and they represent a
>>> developing social problem as existing neighbourhood and familiar structures
>>> are ignored and over ruled in the need to "roll out" supply. The government
>>> does not have the resources to provide you with a house that is sized
>>> according to modern requirements, something significantly larger than the
>>> pre colonial version that you propose as a model for restitution. If you are
>>> to achieve the quality of life that your liberating fathers intended for you
>>> there will have to be some sort of toil and input on your behalf and there
>>> are not enough white men for the government to dispossess in order to
>>> furnish your expectations for a free ride.
>>> According to current government policy, the land that you may be given will
>>> be subject to rates and taxes and this will mean that you effectively do not
>>> own it and if you fall behind in payments the result will be dispossession.
>>> You could opt for some sort of campaign of resistance and refuse to pay
>>> saying that it is the whites who must pay. There are not enough of them to
>>> carry you. This is a function of the demography that allows you to enjoy
>>> majority rule
>>>
>>> Get in tune with the 21st century my man, There are plenty of people in
>>> Zimbabwe who are chanting "uhuru africa! amandla!" and are trying to live
>>> on tree bark to survive. The government has not been able to meet everyone's
>>> expectations and so only those close to the ruling clique are catered for.
>>> The brothers there are unable to even think about enjoying a nice beer after
>>> work as they cost over Z$ 650.00 which is more than the officially mandated
>>> minimum monthly salary. They are available to wealthy tourists only. Their
>>> money is no longer flowing into the economy as they are being chased away
>>> because they are regarded as targets for redistribution and if they are not
>>> exploited by strange financial coercion such as entry taxes or carbon taxes
>>> they are hit by self justified empowerment and redistribution operators who
>>> rob them and / or kill them.
>>>
>>> So what is the use of being given land if you are unable to grow anything on
>>> it, and you cannot raise a family on it, and you cannot make a home on it,
>>> and you are responsible to continually pay for the use of it in the face of
>>> a lack of employment and ..............
>>>
>>> It is clear that a more responsible method of land acquisition is required,
>>> something that is more practical than the dreams set out in your messages.
>>>
>>>
>> My word, I must be getting ill.
>
> Bodie - what a real breakthrough this is for you to realise that you are
> ill. All of my words have not been in vain, some have hit home.
>
>> You post actually made sense and echo's most of what has already been
> said,
>
> So I suppose that you are going to start harping on about plagiarism again
> then
>
>
>> and no doubt will continue to be said, about the land issue in Africa.
>> It is a fact that the politically/economically naive will be the first to
>> shout for land and it stands to reason they will also be the first ones in
>> the queue with their grubby paws outstretched for food aid.
>
> This is not true at all. The degree of naivety and economic activity does
> not mitigate against the fact that they did have the land swiped from them
> in the first place and thay should have their concerns addressed. The issue
> is that they must come to the party in the modern world.
>
> "they will also be the first ones in the queue with their grubby paws
> outstretched for food aid." - please retract and revisit that statement as I
> do not believe any sane and sensible South African in the 21st Century could
> still think like that. Bodie the other stuff in the other threads has been a
> lot of fun but I really cannot bring myself to believe that you actually
> think like this in the serious world.
>
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| Re: AT LAST! LAND FOR OUR MASSES + starvation and squalour [boodskap #81284 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #81280] |
Ma, 28 Julie 2003 19:47 |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:29:25 +0200, "Skokkie" wrote:
"Bodie" skryf in boodskap news:3f22ff8c.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>
> "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message
> news:fkmghvkacdciotkh09jtr8dtlfr325ldhq@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:27:44 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message
>>> news:vokghv8rtu93vf5q4f30eo6hggars6tcpq@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:39:18 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote:
>>
>>>> >e. Loop bou jou eie huis en los myne uit, anders gaan ek
>>>> >my "1994 oordentlikheid" vergeet...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>
>>>> Waar wil jy nou meer van erkentlikheid hé,
>>>> dat die pampoen wat nou sy huis wil beskerm
>>>> een van die gekke was wat die anc ingestem het?
>>
>>>> Speedy
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jy dink tog seer sekerlik nie die Afrikaanse Teenstand Beweging gaan
> joune
>>> beskerm nie??
>>>
>>
>> Nee, beslis nie, maar beslis kyk ek in die spieël, en sê aan die ou
>> wat terug kyk. dat hy tevrede kan wees omdat hy geen aandeel het
>> in die huidige toestand nie.
>>
>> Speedy
>
>
> My afrikaans is nie van die beste nie, maar ek dink die volgende is van
> toepassing.
>
> Hoor, hoor!
>
> Bodie. (hopefully I got that right)
>
You are always hopeful, but as usual, missed again!
>
> "Bodie" wrote in message
> news:3f23027a.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>> "Skokkie" wrote in message
>> news:3f1d8c3f.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>>>
>>> "Andries Joubert" wrote in message
>>> news:7ae3062676e7b18eeb94bba0cd5c80e7@free.teranews.com...
>>>> the time is very high for all our landless brothers
>>>> and sisters to claim land from the setlars who
>>>> robbed us from our belovd african soil long ago.
>>>>
>>>> today i see a very intresting newspapar article
>>>> in the rekord of city tswane wich make me very
>>>> proud and happy to include the same article here
>>>> below. now at last we have the hope for the future
>>>> and for our childern. we want our land we want
>>>> our houses!
>>>>
>>>> uhuru africa! amandla!
>>>>
>>>> (anfortunatly it is in afrikans and not only in english
>>>> as it must have been.)
>>>>
>>>> justus for africa
>>>
>>>
>>> Landless Brother
>>>
>>> You were originally permitted to occupy your land under permission from
> a
>>> form of liege that is known in certain parts as AmaKhosi or Inkosi. Your
>>> forefathers never owned it themselves. The Inkosi were displaced by the
>>> colonialists and their re-establishment following the demise of
>> colonialism
>>> is currently being phased out by the Social Democratic (some say just
>> plain
>>> socialist) government.
>>>
>>> The economics of food production for a population of over 40 million
> rule
>>> out the possibility of communal production for self consumption. Large
>> scale
>>> commercial farming is required in order to produce the food that is
>> required
>>> for the majority of South Africans to comfortably enjoy the freedoms
> that
>>> were won for them at such a great cost. The quality of traditional
>>> lifestyles that remain amongst people like the AmaNchunu (SP?) is being
>>> eroded by people who feed them political nonsense that comes from beyond
>>> their frame of reference. They have always been hard working people who
>>> deserve to see change in the quality of their lifestyle but not its
>>> essential character. They no longer store grain as they have been told
>> that
>>> it is the governments undertaking to provide this through donations from
>>> people who owe them some sort of debt.
>>>
>>> The houses that you are currently being provided are of a similar size
> to
>>> those that the people occupied during pre-colonial times. They were
>> adequate
>>> then as they were out in the wide open spaces. The acres of boxes that
> you
>>> are now readily accepting as homes for free represent an undersupply as
>> you
>>> should have something much larger in order to meet your needs in a
> modern
>>> society. They are merely houses and not homes, and they represent a
>>> developing social problem as existing neighbourhood and familiar
>> structures
>>> are ignored and over ruled in the need to "roll out" supply. The
>> government
>>> does not have the resources to provide you with a house that is sized
>>> according to modern requirements, something significantly larger than
> the
>>> pre colonial version that you propose as a model for restitution. If you
>> are
>>> to achieve the quality of life that your liberating fathers intended for
>> you
>>> there will have to be some sort of toil and input on your behalf and
> there
>>> are not enough white men for the government to dispossess in order to
>>> furnish your expectations for a free ride.
>>> According to current government policy, the land that you may be given
>> will
>>> be subject to rates and taxes and this will mean that you effectively do
>> not
>>> own it and if you fall behind in payments the result will be
>> dispossession.
>>> You could opt for some sort of campaign of resistance and refuse to pay
>>> saying that it is the whites who must pay. There are not enough of them
> to
>>> carry you. This is a function of the demography that allows you to enjoy
>>> majority rule
>>>
>>> Get in tune with the 21st century my man, There are plenty of people in
>>> Zimbabwe who are chanting "uhuru africa! amandla!" and are trying to
> live
>>> on tree bark to survive. The government has not been able to meet
>> everyone's
>>> expectations and so only those close to the ruling clique are catered
> for.
>>> The brothers there are unable to even think about enjoying a nice beer
>> after
>>> work as they cost over Z$ 650.00 which is more than the officially
>> mandated
>>> minimum monthly salary. They are available to wealthy tourists only.
> Their
>>> money is no longer flowing into the economy as they are being chased
> away
>>> because they are regarded as targets for redistribution and if they are
>> not
>>> exploited by strange financial coercion such as entry taxes or carbon
>> taxes
>>> they are hit by self justified empowerment and redistribution operators
>> who
>>> rob them and / or kill them.
>>>
>>> So what is the use of being given land if you are unable to grow
> anything
>> on
>>> it, and you cannot raise a family on it, and you cannot make a home on
> it,
>>> and you are responsible to continually pay for the use of it in the face
>> of
>>> a lack of employment and ..............
>>>
>>> It is clear that a more responsible method of land acquisition is
>> required,
>>> something that is more practical than the dreams set out in your
> messages.
>>>
>>>
>> My word, I must be getting ill.
>
> Bodie - what a real breakthrough this is for you to realise that you are
> ill. All of my words have not been in vain, some have hit home.
>
>> You post actually made sense and echo's most of what has already been
> said,
>
> So I suppose that you are going to start harping on about plagiarism again
> then
>
>
>> and no doubt will continue to be said, about the land issue in Africa.
>> It is a fact that the politically/economically naive will be the first to
>> shout for land and it stands to reason they will also be the first ones in
>> the queue with their grubby paws outstretched for food aid.
>
> This is not true at all. The degree of naivety and economic activity does
> not mitigate against the fact that they did have the land swiped from them
> in the first place and thay should have their concerns addressed. The issue
> is that they must come to the party in the modern world.
>
> "they will also be the first ones in the queue with their grubby paws
> outstretched for food aid." - please retract and revisit that statement as I
> do not believe any sane and sensible South African in the 21st Century could
> still think like that. Bodie the other stuff in the other threads has been a
> lot of fun but I really cannot bring myself to believe that you actually
> think like this in the serious world.
>
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| Re: AT LAST! LAND FOR OUR MASSES + starvation and squalour [boodskap #81286 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #81280] |
Ma, 28 Julie 2003 19:47 |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:29:25 +0200, "Skokkie" wrote:
"Bodie" skryf in boodskap news:3f22ff8c.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>
> "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message
> news:fkmghvkacdciotkh09jtr8dtlfr325ldhq@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:27:44 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message
>>> news:vokghv8rtu93vf5q4f30eo6hggars6tcpq@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:39:18 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote:
>>
>>>> >e. Loop bou jou eie huis en los myne uit, anders gaan ek
>>>> >my "1994 oordentlikheid" vergeet...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>
>>>> Waar wil jy nou meer van erkentlikheid hé,
>>>> dat die pampoen wat nou sy huis wil beskerm
>>>> een van die gekke was wat die anc ingestem het?
>>
>>>> Speedy
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jy dink tog seer sekerlik nie die Afrikaanse Teenstand Beweging gaan
> joune
>>> beskerm nie??
>>>
>>
>> Nee, beslis nie, maar beslis kyk ek in die spieël, en sê aan die ou
>> wat terug kyk. dat hy tevrede kan wees omdat hy geen aandeel het
>> in die huidige toestand nie.
>>
>> Speedy
>
>
> My afrikaans is nie van die beste nie, maar ek dink die volgende is van
> toepassing.
>
> Hoor, hoor!
>
> Bodie. (hopefully I got that right)
>
You are always hopeful, but as usual, missed again!
>
> "Bodie" wrote in message
> news:3f23027a.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>> "Skokkie" wrote in message
>> news:3f1d8c3f.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>>>
>>> "Andries Joubert" wrote in message
>>> news:7ae3062676e7b18eeb94bba0cd5c80e7@free.teranews.com...
>>>> the time is very high for all our landless brothers
>>>> and sisters to claim land from the setlars who
>>>> robbed us from our belovd african soil long ago.
>>>>
>>>> today i see a very intresting newspapar article
>>>> in the rekord of city tswane wich make me very
>>>> proud and happy to include the same article here
>>>> below. now at last we have the hope for the future
>>>> and for our childern. we want our land we want
>>>> our houses!
>>>>
>>>> uhuru africa! amandla!
>>>>
>>>> (anfortunatly it is in afrikans and not only in english
>>>> as it must have been.)
>>>>
>>>> justus for africa
>>>
>>>
>>> Landless Brother
>>>
>>> You were originally permitted to occupy your land under permission from
> a
>>> form of liege that is known in certain parts as AmaKhosi or Inkosi. Your
>>> forefathers never owned it themselves. The Inkosi were displaced by the
>>> colonialists and their re-establishment following the demise of
>> colonialism
>>> is currently being phased out by the Social Democratic (some say just
>> plain
>>> socialist) government.
>>>
>>> The economics of food production for a population of over 40 million
> rule
>>> out the possibility of communal production for self consumption. Large
>> scale
>>> commercial farming is required in order to produce the food that is
>> required
>>> for the majority of South Africans to comfortably enjoy the freedoms
> that
>>> were won for them at such a great cost. The quality of traditional
>>> lifestyles that remain amongst people like the AmaNchunu (SP?) is being
>>> eroded by people who feed them political nonsense that comes from beyond
>>> their frame of reference. They have always been hard working people who
>>> deserve to see change in the quality of their lifestyle but not its
>>> essential character. They no longer store grain as they have been told
>> that
>>> it is the governments undertaking to provide this through donations from
>>> people who owe them some sort of debt.
>>>
>>> The houses that you are currently being provided are of a similar size
> to
>>> those that the people occupied during pre-colonial times. They were
>> adequate
>>> then as they were out in the wide open spaces. The acres of boxes that
> you
>>> are now readily accepting as homes for free represent an undersupply as
>> you
>>> should have something much larger in order to meet your needs in a
> modern
>>> society. They are merely houses and not homes, and they represent a
>>> developing social problem as existing neighbourhood and familiar
>> structures
>>> are ignored and over ruled in the need to "roll out" supply. The
>> government
>>> does not have the resources to provide you with a house that is sized
>>> according to modern requirements, something significantly larger than
> the
>>> pre colonial version that you propose as a model for restitution. If you
>> are
>>> to achieve the quality of life that your liberating fathers intended for
>> you
>>> there will have to be some sort of toil and input on your behalf and
> there
>>> are not enough white men for the government to dispossess in order to
>>> furnish your expectations for a free ride.
>>> According to current government policy, the land that you may be given
>> will
>>> be subject to rates and taxes and this will mean that you effectively do
>> not
>>> own it and if you fall behind in payments the result will be
>> dispossession.
>>> You could opt for some sort of campaign of resistance and refuse to pay
>>> saying that it is the whites who must pay. There are not enough of them
> to
>>> carry you. This is a function of the demography that allows you to enjoy
>>> majority rule
>>>
>>> Get in tune with the 21st century my man, There are plenty of people in
>>> Zimbabwe who are chanting "uhuru africa! amandla!" and are trying to
> live
>>> on tree bark to survive. The government has not been able to meet
>> everyone's
>>> expectations and so only those close to the ruling clique are catered
> for.
>>> The brothers there are unable to even think about enjoying a nice beer
>> after
>>> work as they cost over Z$ 650.00 which is more than the officially
>> mandated
>>> minimum monthly salary. They are available to wealthy tourists only.
> Their
>>> money is no longer flowing into the economy as they are being chased
> away
>>> because they are regarded as targets for redistribution and if they are
>> not
>>> exploited by strange financial coercion such as entry taxes or carbon
>> taxes
>>> they are hit by self justified empowerment and redistribution operators
>> who
>>> rob them and / or kill them.
>>>
>>> So what is the use of being given land if you are unable to grow
> anything
>> on
>>> it, and you cannot raise a family on it, and you cannot make a home on
> it,
>>> and you are responsible to continually pay for the use of it in the face
>> of
>>> a lack of employment and ..............
>>>
>>> It is clear that a more responsible method of land acquisition is
>> required,
>>> something that is more practical than the dreams set out in your
> messages.
>>>
>>>
>> My word, I must be getting ill.
>
> Bodie - what a real breakthrough this is for you to realise that you are
> ill. All of my words have not been in vain, some have hit home.
>
>> You post actually made sense and echo's most of what has already been
> said,
>
> So I suppose that you are going to start harping on about plagiarism again
> then
>
>
>> and no doubt will continue to be said, about the land issue in Africa.
>> It is a fact that the politically/economically naive will be the first to
>> shout for land and it stands to reason they will also be the first ones in
>> the queue with their grubby paws outstretched for food aid.
>
> This is not true at all. The degree of naivety and economic activity does
> not mitigate against the fact that they did have the land swiped from them
> in the first place and thay should have their concerns addressed. The issue
> is that they must come to the party in the modern world.
>
> "they will also be the first ones in the queue with their grubby paws
> outstretched for food aid." - please retract and revisit that statement as I
> do not believe any sane and sensible South African in the 21st Century could
> still think like that. Bodie the other stuff in the other threads has been a
> lot of fun but I really cannot bring myself to believe that you actually
> think like this in the serious world.
>
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:29:25 +0200, "Skokkie" wrote:
Sekere teken van ouderdom:))
Ek kan jou nie help met die onthouding nie, maar ek sien Saterdag daar
is 'n
nuwe "Griet" boek op die rak.
Annette
"Kwarantyn" skryf in boodskap news:q8dVa.6980$Dn1.6419@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
> Die boek het in 1992 verskyn. Nie te lank daarna nie het 'n soort
> parodie/satire daarop verskyn, geskryf vanuit die man se oogpunt. Ek het die
> boek gelees en interessant, hoewel soms ietwat smaakloos en dikwels baie
> eksplisiet gevind. Maar nou ek om die dood nie die titel of die skrywer
> onthou nie. Ek dink die titel het 'n man se naam in gehad, en die skrywer
> het 'n skuilnaam gebruik. As iemand weet waarvan ek praat - kan jy dalk
> asseblief die titel en skrywer noem? Die hoofkarakter se naam was Mot, en ek
> het 'n gedagte die titel het ook dalk "Mot" in gehad.
> Dis net een van daardie goed wat jy probeer onthou maar toetentaal net nie
> kan oproep nie.
> Dankie!
> Kwarantyn
>
>
>
> "Bodie" wrote in message
> news:3f23027a.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>> "Skokkie" wrote in message
>> news:3f1d8c3f.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>>>
>>> "Andries Joubert" wrote in message
>>> news:7ae3062676e7b18eeb94bba0cd5c80e7@free.teranews.com...
>>>> the time is very high for all our landless brothers
>>>> and sisters to claim land from the setlars who
>>>> robbed us from our belovd african soil long ago.
>>>>
>>>> today i see a very intresting newspapar article
>>>> in the rekord of city tswane wich make me very
>>>> proud and happy to include the same article here
>>>> below. now at last we have the hope for the future
>>>> and for our childern. we want our land we want
>>>> our houses!
>>>>
>>>> uhuru africa! amandla!
>>>>
>>>> (anfortunatly it is in afrikans and not only in english
>>>> as it must have been.)
>>>>
>>>> justus for africa
>>>
>>>
>>> Landless Brother
>>>
>>> You were originally permitted to occupy your land under permission from
> a
>>> form of liege that is known in certain parts as AmaKhosi or Inkosi. Your
>>> forefathers never owned it themselves. The Inkosi were displaced by the
>>> colonialists and their re-establishment following the demise of
>> colonialism
>>> is currently being phased out by the Social Democratic (some say just
>> plain
>>> socialist) government.
>>>
>>> The economics of food production for a population of over 40 million
> rule
>>> out the possibility of communal production for self consumption. Large
>> scale
>>> commercial farming is required in order to produce the food that is
>> required
>>> for the majority of South Africans to comfortably enjoy the freedoms
> that
>>> were won for them at such a great cost. The quality of traditional
>>> lifestyles that remain amongst people like the AmaNchunu (SP?) is being
>>> eroded by people who feed them political nonsense that comes from beyond
>>> their frame of reference. They have always been hard working people who
>>> deserve to see change in the quality of their lifestyle but not its
>>> essential character. They no longer store grain as they have been told
>> that
>>> it is the governments undertaking to provide this through donations from
>>> people who owe them some sort of debt.
>>>
>>> The houses that you are currently being provided are of a similar size
> to
>>> those that the people occupied during pre-colonial times. They were
>> adequate
>>> then as they were out in the wide open spaces. The acres of boxes that
> you
>>> are now readily accepting as homes for free represent an undersupply as
>> you
>>> should have something much larger in order to meet your needs in a
> modern
>>> society. They are merely houses and not homes, and they represent a
>>> developing social problem as existing neighbourhood and familiar
>> structures
>>> are ignored and over ruled in the need to "roll out" supply. The
>> government
>>> does not have the resources to provide you with a house that is sized
>>> according to modern requirements, something significantly larger than
> the
>>> pre colonial version that you propose as a model for restitution. If you
>> are
>>> to achieve the quality of life that your liberating fathers intended for
>> you
>>> there will have to be some sort of toil and input on your behalf and
> there
>>> are not enough white men for the government to dispossess in order to
>>> furnish your expectations for a free ride.
>>> According to current government policy, the land that you may be given
>> will
>>> be subject to rates and taxes and this will mean that you effectively do
>> not
>>> own it and if you fall behind in payments the result will be
>> dispossession.
>>> You could opt for some sort of campaign of resistance and refuse to pay
>>> saying that it is the whites who must pay. There are not enough of them
> to
>>> carry you. This is a function of the demography that allows you to enjoy
>>> majority rule
>>>
>>> Get in tune with the 21st century my man, There are plenty of people in
>>> Zimbabwe who are chanting "uhuru africa! amandla!" and are trying to
> live
>>> on tree bark to survive. The government has not been able to meet
>> everyone's
>>> expectations and so only those close to the ruling clique are catered
> for.
>>> The brothers there are unable to even think about enjoying a nice beer
>> after
>>> work as they cost over Z$ 650.00 which is more than the officially
>> mandated
>>> minimum monthly salary. They are available to wealthy tourists only.
> Their
>>> money is no longer flowing into the economy as they are being chased
> away
>>> because they are regarded as targets for redistribution and if they are
>> not
>>> exploited by strange financial coercion such as entry taxes or carbon
>> taxes
>>> they are hit by self justified empowerment and redistribution operators
>> who
>>> rob them and / or kill them.
>>>
>>> So what is the use of being given land if you are unable to grow
> anything
>> on
>>> it, and you cannot raise a family on it, and you cannot make a home on
> it,
>>> and you are responsible to continually pay for the use of it in the face
>> of
>>> a lack of employment and ..............
>>>
>>> It is clear that a more responsible method of land acquisition is
>> required,
>>> something that is more practical than the dreams set out in your
> messages.
>>>
>>>
>> My word, I must be getting ill.
>
> Bodie - what a real breakthrough this is for you to realise that you are
> ill. All of my words have not been in vain, some have hit home.
>
>> You post actually made sense and echo's most of what has already been
> said,
>
> So I suppose that you are going to start harping on about plagiarism again
> then
>
>
>> and no doubt will continue to be said, about the land issue in Africa.
>> It is a fact that the politically/economically naive will be the first to
>> shout for land and it stands to reason they will also be the first ones in
>> the queue with their grubby paws outstretched for food aid.
>
> This is not true at all. The degree of naivety and economic activity does
> not mitigate against the fact that they did have the land swiped from them
> in the first place and thay should have their concerns addressed. The issue
> is that they must come to the party in the modern world.
>
> "they will also be the first ones in the queue with their grubby paws
> outstretched for food aid." - please retract and revisit that statement as I
> do not believe any sane and sensible South African in the 21st Century could
> still think like that. Bodie the other stuff in the other threads has been a
> lot of fun but I really cannot bring myself to believe that you actually
> think like this in the serious world.
>
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