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Di, 15 Julie 2003 19:04  |
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http://www.rebellie.org/raaktief_v1.htm
http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname-3_1.doc
English Version:
http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname3Engels.doc
Meningsopname deur die Kulturele Geregtigheid Stigting
Geagte Volksgenoot
Regsargument word tans in die Hooggeregshof te Pretoria gevoer ten
opsigte van die wettigheid al dan nie van die wyse waarop die De
Klerk-Regering die mag in Suid-Afrika oorgegee het.
Die voormalige staatspresident, F.W. De Klerk, is gedagvaar deur die
regspan van sekere aangeklaagdes in die "Boeremag" - saak om op 4
Augustus 2003 in die hof te verskyn sodat hy kan getuig oor die
bogenoemde
proses.
'n Argument wat reeds deur die Staat aangevoer is, lui dat die
meerderheid van voormalige kiesers in die De Klerk-era stilswyend hul
goedkeuring verleen aan die wyse waarop die huidige bewind tot stand
gekom het.
Dit is van kardinale belang dat u, as lid van die publiek, u stem
uitbring teen hierdie bewering indien u nie stilswyend die De
Klerk-Regering
se optrede ten opsigte van magsoorgawe goedkeur nie.
Om hierdie rede, bied die Kulturele Geregtigheid Stigting u 'n
geleentheid om u stem uit te bring by wyse van u handtekening op die
meegaande
vorm, waarin bogenoemde saak verder uiteengesit word.
Die saak is uiteraard dringend, en word u versoek om so spoedig
moontlik u gewaardeerde aandag hieraan te skenk.
Dit sal verder waardeer word indien u:
· Die handtekening lys kan uitdruk (aangeheg as "Word"-dokument)
· Die handtekening lys kan vermeerder en versprei
· Die streekskoördineerders kontak om die getekende lyste te kollekteer
· of indien ongerieflik, die lyste na die faksnommer terug te faks
Besorg asseblief terug voor of op 31 Julie 2003
Verdere besonderhede sal mettertyd op Radio Pretoria deurgegee word.
F. W. De Klerk soos aangehaal in Hansard, 24 Januarie 1992:
"Ons (NP-Regering) is in eer gebonde om 'n referendum te
hou wat die kieserskorps van elk van die 3 Huise van die Parlement die
geleentheid sal bied om hulle uit te spreek oor enige wesenlike
voorgestelde wysigings aan die Grondwet".
Volgens bogenoemde uitspraak en vele ander, sou die destydse regerende
Nasionale Party spesifieke voorgestelde wysigings aan die Grondwet,
eers aan kiesers vir goedkeuring voorlê alvorens die Grondwet gewysig
sou word. Dit is egter nie gedoen nie, en tydens die referendum van 17
Maart 1992 moes kiesers bloot uitspraak lewer op die vraag of hulle
ten gunste van onderhandelings met die oog op 'n nuwe grondwet
was. Vervolgens het die De Klerk-Regering die grondwet radikaal
verander sonder om die tersaaklike kiesers in die saak te ken.
Indien u hierdie ondemokratiese, mandaatlose gebeure met gevolglike
gebrek aan selfregering verwerp, bring asseblief u handtekening hierop
aan.
[...]
Met dank die uwe
Nasionale Koördineerder (Pieter Moller 012-807 2777 kantoor-ure of 084
514 0842)
e-pos: p...@telkomsa.net
of cam...@telkomsa.net
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80587 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80526] |
Do, 17 Julie 2003 18:40  |
Fransie
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Enige iemand wat nog steeds van die 1994 verkiesing as 'n oorgawe praat se
koppe is so ver in hulle holle opgedruk dat hulle waarskynlik verdien om
daai slegte smaak in hulle monde te kry. As die sg. oorgawe 30 jaar gelede
gebeur het sou al daai swart onbeholpenes wat ek en jy daagliks mee te doen
kry by elke groot instansie waar ons kom, die kans gehad het op 'n
ordentlike opvoeding en nie oom Hendrik Verwoerd se naturelle onderrig nie.
Ek doen hierdie nie om 'n debat te ontketen nie. Dit is my opinie en die
tyd sal bewys dat ek reg is.
"George B." skryf in boodskap news:6c613aef.0307151104.4905f6ce@posting.google.com...
> http://www.rebellie.org/raaktief_v1.htm
> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname-3_1.doc
>
> English Version:
> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname3Engels.doc
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> Meningsopname deur die Kulturele Geregtigheid Stigting
>
>
> Geagte Volksgenoot
>
> Regsargument word tans in die Hooggeregshof te Pretoria gevoer ten
> opsigte van die wettigheid al dan nie van die wyse waarop die De
> Klerk-Regering die mag in Suid-Afrika oorgegee het.
>
> Die voormalige staatspresident, F.W. De Klerk, is gedagvaar deur die
> regspan van sekere aangeklaagdes in die "Boeremag" - saak om op 4
> Augustus 2003 in die hof te verskyn sodat hy kan getuig oor die
> bogenoemde
> proses.
>
> 'n Argument wat reeds deur die Staat aangevoer is, lui dat die
> meerderheid van voormalige kiesers in die De Klerk-era stilswyend hul
> goedkeuring verleen aan die wyse waarop die huidige bewind tot stand
> gekom het.
>
> Dit is van kardinale belang dat u, as lid van die publiek, u stem
> uitbring teen hierdie bewering indien u nie stilswyend die De
> Klerk-Regering
> se optrede ten opsigte van magsoorgawe goedkeur nie.
>
> Om hierdie rede, bied die Kulturele Geregtigheid Stigting u 'n
> geleentheid om u stem uit te bring by wyse van u handtekening op die
> meegaande
> vorm, waarin bogenoemde saak verder uiteengesit word.
>
> Die saak is uiteraard dringend, en word u versoek om so spoedig
> moontlik u gewaardeerde aandag hieraan te skenk.
>
> Dit sal verder waardeer word indien u:
> · Die handtekening lys kan uitdruk (aangeheg as "Word"-dokument)
> · Die handtekening lys kan vermeerder en versprei
> · Die streekskoördineerders kontak om die getekende lyste te
> kollekteer
> · of indien ongerieflik, die lyste na die faksnommer terug te faks
>
> Besorg asseblief terug voor of op 31 Julie 2003
> Verdere besonderhede sal mettertyd op Radio Pretoria deurgegee word.
>
> F. W. De Klerk soos aangehaal in Hansard, 24 Januarie 1992:
> "Ons (NP-Regering) is in eer gebonde om 'n referendum te
> hou wat die kieserskorps van elk van die 3 Huise van die Parlement die
> geleentheid sal bied om hulle uit te spreek oor enige wesenlike
> voorgestelde wysigings aan die Grondwet".
>
> Volgens bogenoemde uitspraak en vele ander, sou die destydse regerende
> Nasionale Party spesifieke voorgestelde wysigings aan die Grondwet,
> eers aan kiesers vir goedkeuring voorlê alvorens die Grondwet gewysig
> sou word. Dit is egter nie gedoen nie, en tydens die referendum van 17
> Maart 1992 moes kiesers bloot uitspraak lewer op die vraag of hulle
> ten gunste van onderhandelings met die oog op 'n nuwe grondwet
> was. Vervolgens het die De Klerk-Regering die grondwet radikaal
> verander sonder om die tersaaklike kiesers in die saak te ken.
>
> Indien u hierdie ondemokratiese, mandaatlose gebeure met gevolglike
> gebrek aan selfregering verwerp, bring asseblief u handtekening hierop
> aan.
> [...]
>
>
>
>
> Met dank die uwe
>
> Nasionale Koördineerder (Pieter Moller 012-807 2777 kantoor-ure of 084
> 514 0842)
>
> e-pos: p...@telkomsa.net
>
> of cam...@telkomsa.net
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80591 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80587] |
Do, 17 Julie 2003 19:26 |
bouer
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"Fransie wrote in message
> Enige iemand wat nog steeds van die 1994 verkiesing as 'n oorgawe praat se
> koppe is so ver in hulle holle opgedruk dat hulle waarskynlik verdien om
> daai slegte smaak in hulle monde te kry. As die sg. oorgawe 30 jaar gelede
> gebeur het sou al daai swart onbeholpenes wat ek en jy daagliks mee te doen
> kry by elke groot instansie waar ons kom, die kans gehad het op 'n
> ordentlike opvoeding en nie oom Hendrik Verwoerd se naturelle onderrig nie.
> Ek doen hierdie nie om 'n debat te ontketen nie. Dit is my opinie en die
> tyd sal bewys dat ek reg is.
Hoor. Hoor. Nog nooit is 'n waarder woord gespreek
nie. Die tyd was ryp in die laat veertiger- en die
vyftiger-
jare vir dieselfde onderwys vir almal in SA, en Jan Smuts
se Minister van Onderwys, Jan Hofmeyer, het die saak
aanhangig gemaak. Maar toe word hulle uitgestem en nie
lank daarna nie toe kry ons Verwoerd en sy " naturelle
onderrig." Juis in daardie tyd toe die VSA se howe
besluit, in die Brown-geval, dat aparte onderwys vir wit
en swart onwettig is en dat die skole veelrassig moes wees.
Vir 'n ruk het hulle selfs " bussing" gehad in die VSA om
seker te maak dat daar 'n rassemengsel in elke skool was.
Gloudina
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80595 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80526] |
Do, 17 Julie 2003 23:56 |
Andries Joubert
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Ag ou fransie, jy is maar net nóg 'n voorbeeld van 'n
patetiese wit liberale pisgat (met die smeersel kak) wat
die omgewing om jou net vuil smeer wanneer jy daardie
infantiele diarree gereeld so naïef kwyt raak.
Toe nou, jy was ook een van daardie "JA"-stemmers wat
oorgegee het, maar nou kla jy en jou soort heel eerste
wanneer jou 'geliefde' swart barbaartjies jou ma, vrou,
'girlfriend' of dogter verkrag nadat hulle jou ommuurde huis
(met die duur lektriek heining en al) leeggedra en jou motor
gekaap het met jou gholfstokke nog daarin.
En na sê 'n heerlike gebeurtenis trek jou soort vinnig na 'n
'closed-off security village' toe (met 'entrance control' en al)
waar jy jou graag weer in 'n plaaslike en gerieflike stelsel van
'apartheid' tuis maak om jou patetiese lewetjie voort sit
(weg, 'appart' en afgesluit van jou geliefde swart broers) terwyl
jy hier sulke liberale kak op jou rekenaartjie kwyt raak.
Ja, as julle oorgawe inderdaad 30 jaar gelede gebeur het dan
sou jy (net soos nog altyd in die res van Afrika) met dieselfde
situasie as vandag gesit het - dit is as jou swart broers jou nie
by dié tyd sou uitgemoor het nadat hulle jou grond gevat het nie.
Ja, jou geliefde swart onbeholpenes sou wel 'n kans gehad het,
maar hulle sou weereens (soos altyd) hulle kanse verspeel het,
omdat hulle eenvoudig geneties net te primitief is.
Kyk maar gerus na Afrika - almal weet dat Afrika nog nooit
die mas kon opkom het nie, en daarvoor word kolonialisme
altyd heel gerieflik voor beskuldig. - Almal van ons weet nou
al dat hierdie praatjies eenvoudig 'n pot kak is. As dit nie vir
die wittes in Afrika was nie, dan het jou geliefde 'slim' naturelle
inderdaad nog in hulle deur-die-hol-getrekte-velletjies
rondgeloop, pasgebore babas by kranse afgegooi en ook nie
eens van iets soos die Wiel geweet nie. [Skuus, ek't vergeet-
vandag verkrag hulle eerder babas om Aids te 'genees'].
Hendrik Verwoerd se naturelle ís en bly nog geneties net so
dom as wat hulle was (You can't teach a donkey to become
a race horse). Almal weet dit baie goed. Hendrik Verwoerd
was slim en hy het ook hierdie feit geken. Jy is duidelik net 'n
dom, naïewe, liberale poepol.
Dus, jou opinie is kak en tyd het reeds deeglik bewys dat jy en
liberales soos jy heeltemaal verkeerd is. So, hou eerder jou bek
alvorens jy net weer 'n klomp dom, liberale kak hier kwyt raak.
> From: "Fransie"
> Message-ID:
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> Enige iemand wat nog steeds van die 1994 verkiesing as 'n oorgawe praat
> se koppe is so ver in hulle holle opgedruk dat hulle waarskynlik verdien
> omdaai slegte smaak in hulle monde te kry. As die sg. oorgawe 30 jaar
> gelede gebeur het sou al daai swart onbeholpenes wat ek en jy daagliks
> mee te doen kry by elke groot instansie waar ons kom, die kans gehad het
> op 'n ordentlike opvoeding en nie oom Hendrik Verwoerd se naturelle
> onderrig nie.
> Ek doen hierdie nie om 'n debat te ontketen nie. Dit is my opinie en die
> tyd sal bewys dat ek reg is.
>
>> "George B." wrote in message
>> news:6c613aef.0307151104.4905f6ce@posting.google.com...
>> http://www.rebellie.org/raaktief_v1.htm
>> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname-3_1.doc
>> English Version:
>> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname3Engels.doc
>> Meningsopname deur die Kulturele Geregtigheid Stigting
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80596 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80587] |
Vr, 18 Julie 2003 00:42 |
Justus Khumalo
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Ag ou fransie, jy is maar net nóg 'n voorbeeld van 'n
patetiese wit liberale pisgat (met die smeersel kak) wat
die omgewing om jou net vuil smeer wanneer jy daardie
infantiele diarree gereeld so naïef kwyt raak.
Toe nou, jy was ook een van daardie "JA"-stemmers wat
oorgegee het, maar nou kla jy en jou soort heel eerste
wanneer jou 'geliefde' swart barbaartjies jou ma, vrou,
'girlfriend' of dogter verkrag nadat hulle jou ommuurde huis
(met die duur lektriek heining en al) leeggedra en jou motor
gekaap het met jou gholfstokke nog daarin.
En na sê 'n heerlike gebeurtenis trek jou soort vinnig na 'n
'closed-off security village' toe (met 'entrance control' en al)
waar jy jou graag weer in 'n plaaslike en gerieflike stelsel van
'apartheid' tuis maak om jou patetiese lewetjie voort sit
(weg, 'appart' en afgesluit van jou geliefde swart broers) terwyl
jy hier sulke liberale kak op jou rekenaartjie kwyt raak.
Ja, as julle oorgawe inderdaad 30 jaar gelede gebeur het dan
sou jy (net soos nog altyd in die res van Afrika) met dieselfde
situasie as vandag gesit het - dit is as jou swart broers jou nie
by dié tyd sou uitgemoor het nadat hulle jou grond gevat het nie.
Ja, jou geliefde swart onbeholpenes sou wel 'n kans gehad het,
maar hulle sou weereens (soos altyd) hulle kanse verspeel het,
omdat hulle eenvoudig geneties net te primitief is.
Kyk maar gerus na Afrika - almal weet dat Afrika nog nooit
die mas kon opkom het nie, en daarvoor word kolonialisme
altyd heel gerieflik voor beskuldig. - Almal van ons weet nou
al dat hierdie praatjies eenvoudig 'n pot kak is. As dit nie vir
die wittes in Afrika was nie, dan het jou geliefde 'slim' naturelle
inderdaad nog in hulle deur-die-hol-getrekte-velletjies
rondgeloop, pasgebore babas by kranse afgegooi en ook nie
eens van iets soos die Wiel geweet nie. [Skuus, ek't vergeet-
vandag verkrag hulle eerder babas om Aids te 'genees'].
Hendrik Verwoerd se naturelle ís en bly nog geneties net so
dom as wat hulle was (You can't teach a donkey to become
a race horse). Almal weet dit baie goed. Hendrik Verwoerd
was slim en hy het ook hierdie feit geken. Jy is duidelik net 'n
dom, naïewe, liberale poepol.
Dus, jou opinie is kak en tyd het reeds deeglik bewys dat jy en
liberales soos jy heeltemaal verkeerd is. So, hou eerder jou bek
alvorens jy net weer 'n klomp dom, liberale kak hier kwyt raak.
> From: "Fransie"
> Message-ID:
>
> Enige iemand wat nog steeds van die 1994 verkiesing as 'n oorgawe praat
> se koppe is so ver in hulle holle opgedruk dat hulle waarskynlik verdien
> omdaai slegte smaak in hulle monde te kry. As die sg. oorgawe 30 jaar
> gelede gebeur het sou al daai swart onbeholpenes wat ek en jy daagliks
> mee te doen kry by elke groot instansie waar ons kom, die kans gehad het
> op 'n ordentlike opvoeding en nie oom Hendrik Verwoerd se naturelle
> onderrig nie.
> Ek doen hierdie nie om 'n debat te ontketen nie. Dit is my opinie en die
> tyd sal bewys dat ek reg is.
>
>> "George B." wrote in message
>> news:6c613aef.0307151104.4905f6ce@posting.google.com...
>> http://www.rebellie.org/raaktief_v1.htm
>> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname-3_1.doc
>> English Version:
>> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname3Engels.doc
>> Meningsopname deur die Kulturele Geregtigheid Stigting
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80610 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80587] |
Vr, 18 Julie 2003 08:58 |
Steve Hayes
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:40:01 +0200, "Fransie" wrote:
> Enige iemand wat nog steeds van die 1994 verkiesing as 'n oorgawe praat se
> koppe is so ver in hulle holle opgedruk dat hulle waarskynlik verdien om
> daai slegte smaak in hulle monde te kry. As die sg. oorgawe 30 jaar gelede
> gebeur het sou al daai swart onbeholpenes wat ek en jy daagliks mee te doen
> kry by elke groot instansie waar ons kom, die kans gehad het op 'n
> ordentlike opvoeding en nie oom Hendrik Verwoerd se naturelle onderrig nie.
> Ek doen hierdie nie om 'n debat te ontketen nie. Dit is my opinie en die
> tyd sal bewys dat ek reg is.
Hoor! hoor!
One het so baie jare verloor
Die jare wat die sprinkane gevreet het.
Steve Hayes
http://www.oocities.org/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80611 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80595] |
Vr, 18 Julie 2003 08:58 |
Steve Hayes
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:56:53 +0200, "Andries Joubert" wrote:
> Ag ou fransie, jy is maar net nóg 'n voorbeeld van 'n
> patetiese wit liberale pisgat (met die smeersel kak) wat
> die omgewing om jou net vuil smeer wanneer jy daardie
> infantiele diarree gereeld so naïef kwyt raak.
Ag skattie, as enigiemand tot jou intelletkuele vlak kon opklim sou hy nie
eers asem kon trek nie! Kry U dalk e-pos by wolk Nr 9?
Steve Hayes
http://www.oocities.org/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80643 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80610] |
Vr, 18 Julie 2003 19:35 |
Speedy Gonzales
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:58:53 GMT, haye...@yahoo.com (Steve Hayes) wrote:
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> Hoor! hoor!
> One het so baie jare verloor
> Die jare wat die sprinkane gevreet het.
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>
> Steve Hayes
> http://www.oocities.org/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
Ja hayes, selfs die liberales op die ander groep het nie tyd vir jou
en jou tipe nie. Gehoor wil jy gehoor word, so nou crosspost jy na
'n groep wat selfs nog minder tyd vir jou tipe het. Somtyds kyk ek
watter tipe snert jy en moira kombuismeid skryf. Maar al ek sien net
neer op julle handhaaf ek steeds die ordentlikheid om by my eie
nuusgroep te bly.
Self jou kollegas by jou groep verag jou. Of dink jy dat ons nie sien
wat gaan by hjulle aan nie? Lê steeds voor hulle voete
en soek aandag daar. En gaan op 'n dieet. Hier word jy en jou tipe
verag.
Speedy
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80654 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80596] |
Vr, 18 Julie 2003 21:39 |
Fransie
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Ai tog ou pateet.
Ek het gedink ek sal een of twee van jou soort hier aantref om die wêreld te
besoedel met jou Xenofobiese retoriek. Dit is nie gelykheid of
menswaardigheid wat mense laat gryp na misdaad nie. Die oorsake daarvan
gaan veel dieper en die velkleur het niks daarmee te doen nie
"Justus Khumalo" skryf in boodskap news:d486c996f99f0add7937c2febde89460@free.teranews.com...
> Ag ou fransie, jy is maar net nóg 'n voorbeeld van 'n
> patetiese wit liberale pisgat (met die smeersel kak) wat
> die omgewing om jou net vuil smeer wanneer jy daardie
> infantiele diarree gereeld so naïef kwyt raak.
>
> Toe nou, jy was ook een van daardie "JA"-stemmers wat
> oorgegee het, maar nou kla jy en jou soort heel eerste
> wanneer jou 'geliefde' swart barbaartjies jou ma, vrou,
> 'girlfriend' of dogter verkrag nadat hulle jou ommuurde huis
> (met die duur lektriek heining en al) leeggedra en jou motor
> gekaap het met jou gholfstokke nog daarin.
>
> En na sê 'n heerlike gebeurtenis trek jou soort vinnig na 'n
> 'closed-off security village' toe (met 'entrance control' en al)
> waar jy jou graag weer in 'n plaaslike en gerieflike stelsel van
> 'apartheid' tuis maak om jou patetiese lewetjie voort sit
> (weg, 'appart' en afgesluit van jou geliefde swart broers) terwyl
> jy hier sulke liberale kak op jou rekenaartjie kwyt raak.
>
> Ja, as julle oorgawe inderdaad 30 jaar gelede gebeur het dan
> sou jy (net soos nog altyd in die res van Afrika) met dieselfde
> situasie as vandag gesit het - dit is as jou swart broers jou nie
> by dié tyd sou uitgemoor het nadat hulle jou grond gevat het nie.
> Ja, jou geliefde swart onbeholpenes sou wel 'n kans gehad het,
> maar hulle sou weereens (soos altyd) hulle kanse verspeel het,
> omdat hulle eenvoudig geneties net te primitief is.
>
> Kyk maar gerus na Afrika - almal weet dat Afrika nog nooit
> die mas kon opkom het nie, en daarvoor word kolonialisme
> altyd heel gerieflik voor beskuldig. - Almal van ons weet nou
> al dat hierdie praatjies eenvoudig 'n pot kak is. As dit nie vir
> die wittes in Afrika was nie, dan het jou geliefde 'slim' naturelle
> inderdaad nog in hulle deur-die-hol-getrekte-velletjies
> rondgeloop, pasgebore babas by kranse afgegooi en ook nie
> eens van iets soos die Wiel geweet nie. [Skuus, ek't vergeet-
> vandag verkrag hulle eerder babas om Aids te 'genees'].
>
> Hendrik Verwoerd se naturelle ís en bly nog geneties net so
> dom as wat hulle was (You can't teach a donkey to become
> a race horse). Almal weet dit baie goed. Hendrik Verwoerd
> was slim en hy het ook hierdie feit geken. Jy is duidelik net 'n
> dom, naïewe, liberale poepol.
>
> Dus, jou opinie is kak en tyd het reeds deeglik bewys dat jy en
> liberales soos jy heeltemaal verkeerd is. So, hou eerder jou bek
> alvorens jy net weer 'n klomp dom, liberale kak hier kwyt raak.
>
>
>> From: "Fransie"
>> Message-ID:
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>> Enige iemand wat nog steeds van die 1994 verkiesing as 'n oorgawe praat
>> se koppe is so ver in hulle holle opgedruk dat hulle waarskynlik verdien
>> omdaai slegte smaak in hulle monde te kry. As die sg. oorgawe 30 jaar
>> gelede gebeur het sou al daai swart onbeholpenes wat ek en jy daagliks
>> mee te doen kry by elke groot instansie waar ons kom, die kans gehad het
>> op 'n ordentlike opvoeding en nie oom Hendrik Verwoerd se naturelle
>> onderrig nie.
>> Ek doen hierdie nie om 'n debat te ontketen nie. Dit is my opinie en die
>> tyd sal bewys dat ek reg is.
>>
>>> "George B." wrote in message
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>>> http://www.rebellie.org/raaktief_v1.htm
>>> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname-3_1.doc
>
>>> English Version:
>>> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname3Engels.doc
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>>> Meningsopname deur die Kulturele Geregtigheid Stigting
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Baie dankie ou Justus.
Jy is werklik 'n baie rare en goeie ou swarte.
Jou Afrikaans is op standaard - beter as liberale
Aids-besmette halwe konte soos jack mehoff.
Hou so aan ou madala!
Fok hierdie wit liberale pisgatte op!
Jy kry dit reg en spaar ons moeite.
Mooi So !
> From: "Justus Khumalo"
> References:
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>
> Ag ou fransie, jy is maar net nóg 'n voorbeeld van 'n
> patetiese wit liberale pisgat (met die smeersel kak) wat
> die omgewing om jou net vuil smeer wanneer jy daardie
> infantiele diarree gereeld so naïef kwyt raak.
>
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> Vir 'n ruk het hulle selfs " bussing" gehad in die VSA om
> seker te maak dat daar 'n rassemengsel in elke skool was.
>
> Gloudina
>
Te midde van hierdie pogings is daar nog steeds nie 'n eweredige mengsel van
rasse in die skole nie. Ek vandag kan jy maklik die kwaliteit van 'n skool
bepaal aan die rasse mengsel by daardie skool.
Dit is ook opvallend dat hoe groter die getal van kinders met 'n afrika
oorsprong in 'n skool hoe swakker die akedemiese prestasie van daardie
skool. Natuurlik doen daardie skool baie goed in sport maar hulle verloor
weer die atlete net so vinnig as gevolg van swak akedmiese vordering.(in my
skool dirtrik moet jy 'n sekere GPA handaaf om aan sport te mag deelneem)
So jy is alweer besig om stront te gorrel. Die vorige regering in Suid
Afrika het sekerlik iets te doen met die ongeletterheid van die
"agtergeblewenes" maar jy en jou maatjies wil maar nie erken dat hierdie
"agtergeblewenes" ook maar 'n deel van die blaam moet kry nie.
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> Enige iemand wat nog steeds van die 1994 verkiesing as 'n oorgawe praat se
> koppe is so ver in hulle holle opgedruk dat hulle waarskynlik verdien om
> daai slegte smaak in hulle monde te kry.
Enige iemand wat nog steeds van die 1994 oorgawe as 'n verkiesing
praat, moet hom self vra of hy nie miskien 'n gebrek aan waarneming
het nie. Die getuienis, dat die "stemmery" deur en deur gekook was is
oorweldigend:
- Daar was geen kieserregister.
- mense het meervoudig gestem en daarmee gespog
- stembriewe was netjies gevou binne die stembus geplaas (almal ANC)
Dan praat ons nie eers nie van die geweldige buitelandse finansiele
ondersteuning wat die ANC ontvang het om sy propagandaveldtog
uittevoer.
Wragtig 'n "vrye en regverdige verkiesing"!
> As die sg. oorgawe 30 jaar gelede
> gebeur het sou al daai swart onbeholpenes wat ek en jy daagliks mee te doen
> kry by elke groot instansie waar ons kom, die kans gehad het op 'n
> ordentlike opvoeding en nie oom Hendrik Verwoerd se naturelle onderrig nie.
> Ek doen hierdie nie om 'n debat te ontketen nie. Dit is my opinie en die
> tyd sal bewys dat ek reg is.
Ja en daai oppinie mag jy he en jou self belaglik maak. Nou praat jy
somer self van 'oorgawe'. Net sommige punte:
- jy veronderstel dat swart onderwys voorheen 'minderwaardig' (of nie
toepaslik) was, sonder dat jy enige bewys daarvoor kan gee. Dit is
eientlik vanselfsprekend dat gemeenskappe met verskillende
beskawingsvlakke en geletterdheid se kinders verskillende soorte
opvoeding behoort te kry.
- Dit is te danke aan die ou-NP regering dat 'n die grootste deel van
die swartes basiese onderrig ontvang het.
- Blankes in SA, ook hulle regerings, het nooit swartes aan bome
vasgemaak so dat hulle nie kan leer nie.
- Dit is te danke aan die swartes se eie gebrek aan inisiatief indien
hulle nie ekonomiese voorspoed bereik nie. Dat agtergeblewenheid deur
'minderwardige onderwys' of 'diskriminasie' veroorsaak word is 'n
foefie waarme mense hulle self rond die bos lei.
- Indien jou tesis reg was, moes die Afrikastate, wat in die '60s
onafhanklik geword het, op akademiese en tegnologiese gebied 'n baie
hoer vlak bereik het as Suid-Afrika. Dit is egter nie die geval soos
ons almal weet.
> "George B." wrote in message
> news:6c613aef.0307151104.4905f6ce@posting.google.com...
>> http://www.rebellie.org/raaktief_v1.htm
>> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname-3_1.doc
>>
>> English Version:
>> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname3Engels.doc
>>
>> Meningsopname deur die Kulturele Geregtigheid Stigting
>>
>>
>> Geagte Volksgenoot
>>
>> Regsargument word tans in die Hooggeregshof te Pretoria gevoer ten
>> opsigte van die wettigheid al dan nie van die wyse waarop die De
>> Klerk-Regering die mag in Suid-Afrika oorgegee het.
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"Glücklich" skryf in boodskap news:1RaSa.1992$g9.313@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> So jy is alweer besig om stront te gorrel. Die vorige regering in Suid
> Afrika het sekerlik iets te doen met die ongeletterheid van die
> "agtergeblewenes" maar jy en jou maatjies wil maar nie erken dat hierdie
> "agtergeblewenes" ook maar 'n deel van die blaam moet kry nie.
Dis nie 'n "genetiese" ding soos jy dit wil laat klink nie. 'n Interessante
"eksperiment" in Londen wat heelwat publisiteit gekry het hier: 'n swart
kind met "probleme" soos baie swak skool prestasie (was elf jaar oud en kon
skaars lees en skryf), geskors oor gedrags probleme uit 'n inner city skool
wat die laaste stop was,want geen ander staatskool wou hom vat nie, is deur
iemand in 'n duur privaat skool gesit en daar onderhou. Hy het laas jaar
klaargemaak met onderskeidings in al sy vakke, insluitende Latyn. Hier is
daar in die skole geen verskil tuseen die prestasie van wit en swart kinders
in middelklas (of beter) buurt skole nie. Selfs in die "probleem" skole kan
ek nie eintlik sê dat hulle swakker doen nie, die hele lot het daar 'n
probleem en die ondwerwysers kla meer oor die wit kinders wat oor die
algemeen slegter maniere as die swart kinders het. Die antwoord is om tyd en
geld aan opvoeding te bestee.
Lorinda
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"George B." skryf in boodskap news:6c613aef.0307190455.f59dcfb@posting.google.com...
> Enige iemand wat nog steeds van die 1994 oorgawe as 'n verkiesing
> praat, moet hom self vra of hy nie miskien 'n gebrek aan waarneming
> het nie. Die getuienis, dat die "stemmery" deur en deur gekook was is
> oorweldigend:
> - Daar was geen kieserregister.
> - mense het meervoudig gestem en daarmee gespog
> - stembriewe was netjies gevou binne die stembus geplaas (almal ANC)
>
> Dan praat ons nie eers nie van die geweldige buitelandse finansiele
> ondersteuning wat die ANC ontvang het om sy propagandaveldtog
> uittevoer.
> Wragtig 'n "vrye en regverdige verkiesing"!
Ek was in 94 al lank nie meer in SA nie, so ek is verwonderd oor wat jy hier
sê. As die ANC nie gekroek het (soos jy beweer) nie, wie sou dan volgens jou
gewen het?
Lorinda
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>> So jy is alweer besig om stront te gorrel. Die vorige regering in Suid
>> Afrika het sekerlik iets te doen met die ongeletterheid van die
>> "agtergeblewenes" maar jy en jou maatjies wil maar nie erken dat hierdie
>> "agtergeblewenes" ook maar 'n deel van die blaam moet kry nie.
>
> Dis nie 'n "genetiese" ding soos jy dit wil laat klink nie. 'n Interessante
> "eksperiment" in Londen wat heelwat publisiteit gekry het hier: 'n swart
> kind met "probleme" soos baie swak skool prestasie (was elf jaar oud en kon
> skaars lees en skryf), geskors oor gedrags probleme uit 'n inner city skool
> wat die laaste stop was,want geen ander staatskool wou hom vat nie, is deur
> iemand in 'n duur privaat skool gesit en daar onderhou. Hy het laas jaar
> klaargemaak met onderskeidings in al sy vakke, insluitende Latyn. Hier is
> daar in die skole geen verskil tuseen die prestasie van wit en swart kinders
> in middelklas (of beter) buurt skole nie. Selfs in die "probleem" skole kan
> ek nie eintlik sê dat hulle swakker doen nie, die hele lot het daar 'n
> probleem en die ondwerwysers kla meer oor die wit kinders wat oor die
> algemeen slegter maniere as die swart kinders het. Die antwoord is om tyd en
> geld aan opvoeding te bestee.
>
> Lorinda
>
>
Daar sal sekerlik baie meer studies hieroor gedoen moet word.
Maar hierdie is mos 'n sensitiewe onderwerp en baie sudies was al aangeval
omdat sekere mense nie van die vindings hou nie.
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Lorinda: Dis nie 'n "genetiese" ding soos jy dit wil laat klink nie.
Die antwoord is om tyd en geld aan opvoeding te bestee.
Glücklich:
Daar sal sekerlik baie meer studies hieroor gedoen moet word.
Maar hierdie is mos 'n sensitiewe onderwerp en baie sudies was al
aangeval omdat sekere mense nie van die vindings hou nie.
Katryn:
Wat jy sê hou wel water. Ongelukkig is dit so dat die hele ras
aangeleentheid die heeltyd verpolitiseer en skeefgetrek word.
John Ogbu die Anthropoloog van Berkley, het mos ook al baie
interessante stellings gemaak oor juis dit waarvan Lorinda ook gepraat
het. Jy is mos die outjie wat in Florida woon? Dan sou jy heel
waarskynlik al die besprekings oor Ogbu se sieninge en boeke, op die
erg konserwatiewe Fox kanale op TV gesien het vroeg hierdie jaar?
Shaker's academic gap gets close look
01/05/03
Rosa Maria Santana
Plain Dealer Reporter
Shaker Heights - A book exploring the persistent academic gap between
black and white Shaker Heights students has gained national attention
and sparked an intense debate among educators and researchers.
And it hasn't even been published yet.
"Black American Students in an Affluent Suburb: A Study of Academic
Disengagement," by John Ogbu, will be released in a few weeks.
Five years ago, Ogbu spent eight months studying the suburb's schools,
students and parents. He aired some of his book's conclusions in a
recent interview with the New York Times: that part of the blame for
the "achievement gap" falls on black parents for doing too little to
guide their children, and on black students themselves who look at
rappers and African-American entertainers as role models rather than
to their own parents.
The recent media reports of his opinions have grabbed some attention
in the Shaker schools, especially among some "MAC Scholars" - those
students on the Minority Achievement Committee. That group, founded in
1990, encourages academic excellence among college-bound black male
students. Many of them say Ogbu is, at least in part, correct.
Washington Post columnist William Raspberry recently wrote about the
controversy surrounding the book, discussing some of the themes in the
book and some criticism of it.
The book also was the subject of discussion last month on "The
O'Reilly Factor," a talk show on the Fox News Channel.
Peggy Caldwell, director of communications for the Shaker Heights
schools, said the district received Ogbu's recommendations three years
ago and followed most of them. The recent response is a "reaction to
filtered accounts of what the book says," Caldwell said.
Ogbu is a Nigerian immigrant and an anthropology professor at the
University of California at Berkeley who popularized the term "acting
white." Ogbu said black students sometimes eschew hard work in school
because they fear they will be accused of acting white. That attitude
is a legacy of slavery, racism and deprivation that combined to feed
hostility toward the white majority, he said.
State Sen. C.J. Prentiss, Democrat of Cleveland and a persistent
critic of achievement inequities, says Ogbu's positions, which he
described in the Times last month, are "simplistic" and
"shortsighted." She said blaming parents avoids the real issue, which
is money. The schools need more to get the job done.
And, Prentiss said, legislators, ministers, teachers and students
share the responsibility for erasing the gap.
Prentiss said that Ohio's black student graduation rate is the fourth
worst in the nation and called it the next civil-rights issue. She
wants to reduce class sizes, expand all-day kindergarten classes and
spend money to stop youths from dropping out of school.
Ogbu declined to be interviewed for this story, preferring instead to
speak after the release of his book.
Mary Lynne McGovern, the faculty adviser for the Minority Achievement
Committee, said she handed out copies of Raspberry's column at a
recent MAC Scholars meeting, and the group plans to discuss Ogbu's
ideas next month with potential MAC members.
Gawain Minor, a Shaker Heights junior, said there are many reasons for
the academic gap.
"You do have some people out there following rappers," instead of
focusing on school, Gawain said.
On the flip side, Gawain said, some of his black friends have told him
it's a struggle being among the few minority students in an
advanced-placement class.
"They did feel kind of lonely because they were the only black male or
black female. People didn't want to help them and they were on their
own," said Gawain, 17.
Gawain, who has a GPA hovering around 3.4, plans to apply to the
University of Kentucky to pursue his dream of becoming a pharmacist.
He said the keys to his success are self-confidence, hard work and
hanging out with other students who are serious about their school
work.
In 1997, Ogbu visited Shaker Heights schools to observe and research
the gap between black and white students. The district paid him
$15,783, of which $14,000 was for consulting fees and the remainder
for expenses.
A group of black parents invited Ogbu to help them find out why more
white than black Shaker students were enrolled in advanced-placement
classes and went on to college.
The parents also wanted to know why white students generally scored
higher than black students on proficiency tests. The 2000-2001 Shaker
schools enrollment was 5,626 students, with 41.7 percent white, 51.3
percent black, 2.8 percent Asian, and the remainder multiracial,
Hispanic and Native American.
In the most recent tests, for example, 49 percent of black ninth-grade
students passed the state's math proficiency test, compared with 96
percent of white ninth-graders.
Of the 1,700 students at Shaker Heights High School, most are in
college prep courses, Caldwell said. The honors program, which offers
tougher courses in the sciences, math, social sciences, English and
the arts, has 1,091 students, 33.8 percent of which are
African-American, she said. There are 429 students taking advanced
placement courses for college credit, and 14.2 percent of them are
African-American, she said. Some students take both honors and AP
courses.
Reuben Harris Jr., one of the parents who knew of Ogbu's previous
research and who invited him in 1997, said, "We wanted to find out
from his perspective by interviewing people in the community . . .
what was going on.
"We pretty much knew what was going to occur going in the door because
we have this legacy of racism in our country, and you have the anger,
hostility, hurt feelings that's in our community. And, the guilt. So
it was not a surprise people were not going to react happily with what
Ogbu was stating," Harris said.
"Some people, when he first came, said he was a dangerous individual
and could be destructive to the black community. He's not the only
voice that can address the issue, but we've needed as many eyes as
possible and getting as many different viewpoints as possible."
Harris said people who are upset with Ogbu are listening to only part
of his message.
"He's saying that people have some control of their own destinies and
can control some of the outcomes themselves," Harris said, "and even
if a system is not as welcoming and engaging as it should be,
individuals could still make an impact on themselves and their kids."
Harris said the same group of parents who brought Ogbu to Shaker
schools also invited Ronald Ferguson, a senior research associate at
Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government. Over the years,
Ferguson has met with Shaker teachers and surveyed black and white
Shaker students on their attitudes toward homework and college.
Ferguson analyzed the findings of a student survey released in
November by the Minority Student Achievement Network, a group probing
ways to narrow the achievement gap. The study found that black and
Latino students are as driven to succeed as white and Asian-American
students and might perform better if not for economic disadvantages.
That study involved surveying 40,000 middle school and high school
students in Shaker and 14 other middle-class school districts across
the country.
Ogbu's research covered an eight-month period in 1997 that included
many visits to Shaker Heights. Ogbu mingled with teachers, black
parents and students. At times, he interviewed students in their
homes.
"No matter how you reform schools, it's not going to solve the
problem," Ogbu told the New York Times. "There are two parts of the
problem: society and schools on the one hand, and the black community
on the other hand."
"What amazed me is that these kids who come from homes of doctors and
lawyers are not thinking like their parents; they don't know how their
parents made it," Ogbu told the Times. "They are looking at rappers in
ghettos as their role models, they are looking at entertainers. The
parents work two jobs, three jobs, to give their children everything,
but they are not guiding their children."
Even though it hasn't hit the shelves, Ogbu's book has prompted a
terse statement from the National Urban League.
Ronald Ross, a fellow in Urban Education Reform for the National Urban
League, said he became upset because he viewed Ogbu as blaming blacks
for lack of achievement.
"The league holds that it is useless to waste time and energy with
those who would blame the victims of racism," Ross said in the Urban
League statement. "Blacks in a white environment, whether middle class
or not, still suffer overtly and/or covertly from racist attitudes of
teachers and/or students. Profiling exists in many forms; not just
cops stopping black drivers. It is also white teachers and their fears
of lowered expectations for black students."
But some students say Ogbu isn't completely wrong.
Jarryd Tribble, a Shaker high school senior, said that when he was
younger there was a pressure of being labeled "acting white" when
excelling in honors classes. "When you're younger and you're in those
kinds of classes, you hide it," said Jarryd, 17. "It's a term used
around by people who don't know you or have feelings for you."
Jarryd, who plays varsity basketball, plans to apply to five colleges,
including Ohio University, Indiana University and Howard University.
He wants to be a teacher.
"I was always able to pick my inner circle of friends and still do my
work," Jarryd said. "I always had support from family and friends."
Sherrell Turner, 17, a member of MAC Sisters - the scholars program
for girls - said she never felt peer pressure to purposely fail. But
she said the pressure on black youths to attend college appears to be
less intense than in white families, possibly because some perceive
college as too expensive.
"It's not a choice" in white families, she said. "It's what you have
to do."
But in black families, she said, "some parents don't push it as much.
They leave it kind of open."
Kevin Lumpkin, a junior at Shaker Heights High School, is writing a
school paper on Ogbu. Kevin, 16, is researching why the achievement
gap persists. Kevin knows of the controversy swirling around Ogbu's
book and wants to read it when it comes out.
"I agree with him a little bit," said Kevin, who also understands why
some are upset by Ogbu's comments. "I guess they're mad. They feel
it's an attack [on] their children."
When Kevin started ninth grade, his grade-point average was 1.2. It is
now 3.2. He credits his participation in the MAC Scholars Program for
his success. The group gave him an award for his improvement in 2001.
He wants to go to John Carroll University to study criminology and
hopes to enter the military. He dreams of becoming a police officer
one day.
Kevin said studying was a low priority when he started high school.
Things turned around when he stopped hanging around his old friends
and focused on his studies. Two of his best friends are now in jail.
Kevin works part time at a supermarket, attends meetings of the MAC
Scholars Program and studies to keep up his grades.
"Your grades stick with you your whole life. If you mess up now, you
mess up on your life," Kevin said. "Achievement is the way to go now."
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> So jy is alweer besig om stront te gorrel. Die vorige regering in Suid
> Afrika het sekerlik iets te doen met die ongeletterheid van die
> "agtergeblewenes" maar jy en jou maatjies wil maar nie erken dat hierdie
> "agtergeblewenes" ook maar 'n deel van die blaam moet kry nie.
Die " agtergeblewenes" in die VSA is natuurlik die swart
lede van die bevolking wat tot in die vyftigerjare veral in
die suide van die VSA in aparte skole gehok was, en wat
eers na 1964 stemreg gekry het. Maar orals waar swart
mense in die VSA gelyke skoolgeriewe met wittes gehad
het, het hulle net so goed presteer as wittes, of soms beter.
Hoe verklaar jy dat ou George Bush se Security Advisor
en Secretary of State albei swart is nou.
Daar is natuurlik 'n beweging in die VSA om fondse te
bekom vir meer beurse vir swartes uit geld wat die
VSA moet betaal vir die skandaal van slawe uit Afrika,
wat hulle tot laat in die negentiende eeu nog wettig in
die VSA gehou het.
Tant Hessie van Alabama.
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"@rogers.com" wrote:
> . Maar orals waar swart
> mense in die VSA gelyke skoolgeriewe met wittes gehad
> het, het hulle net so goed presteer as wittes, of soms beter.
Onwaar. Sien die stuk wat ek sopas gepos het. Ons het nogsteeds 'n
geweldige probleem hier in die VSA.
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Sa, 19 Julie 2003 15:59 |
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George B. wrote
> Enige iemand wat nog steeds van die 1994 oorgawe as 'n verkiesing
> praat, moet hom self vra of hy nie miskien 'n gebrek aan waarneming
> het nie. Die getuienis, dat die "stemmery" deur en deur gekook was is
> oorweldigend:
> - Daar was geen kieserregister.
> - mense het meervoudig gestem en daarmee gespog
> - stembriewe was netjies gevou binne die stembus geplaas (almal ANC)
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> Dan praat ons nie eers nie van die geweldige buitelandse finansiele
> ondersteuning wat die ANC ontvang het om sy propagandaveldtog
> uittevoer.
> Wragtig 'n "vrye en regverdige verkiesing"!
Ja, maar op die ou end is dit nie 'n baie belangrike punt nie. Daar's geen
twyfel dat die ANC sou in elk geval gewen het. Die verneukery was nie nodig
nie. Okay, miskien gee dit vir hulle 'n paar ekstra setels, wat salarisse
vir 'n ekstra paar van hulle aanhangers verseker, maar die feit bly
onveranderd: nes die blankes van jare terug, het die meerderheid swartes ook
nou "stemvee" geword. Nes die mense wat jarelank vir apartheid gestem het,
stem die swartes nou ook met HULLE breine. En, weens die feit dat hulle
breine ook nie so lekker werk nie, glo hulle dat 'n stem vir die ANC (of die
PAC, of Inkatha, of die Sokker Party, of die Verjaarsdag Party) is 'n stem
vir 'n beter toekoms. Nie vir almal nie. Gewone mense, blank, swart of pers
met polka-dots, stem nie so nie. Hulle stel nie belang in "A better life
for all" nie. Wat's belangrik is "A better life for ME."
Waar die sg "demokrate" hulle grootste fout maak is om die stemreg as 'n
"basic human right" te beskou. Dit behoort 'n reg te wees, natuurlik, maar
nie 'n mensereg wat 'n persoon outomaties bekom net omdat hy nou skielik sy
18de verjaarsdag gevier het. (Op 'n stadium wou ou Nelson die stem-ouderdom
op 'n skrale 14 jaar laat stel!)
Stemmery is 'n belangrike ding, dit het groot invloed op die toekoms van
elke laaste mens in die land. En as 'n lisensie nodig is om 'n trok te kan
bestuur, of 'n vliegtuig te kan loods, of 'n hartoperasie uit te voer (en
selfs om met jou girlfriend te kan trou!) waarom is mense toegelaat om
sonder enige kwalifikasies te stem? (En terwyl ek daaraan dink, waarom is
mense ook toegelaat om sonder enige kwalifikasies kinders in die wereld in
te bring?)
Die oorspronklike demokrasie was nooit so gereel nie. Die burgers wat die
stemreg geniet het was ten minste mense met 'n redelike verstand van sake
(en "sake" was in daai dae nie so ingewikkeld nie.)
Die onvermybare gevolg van 'n ongekwalifiseerde stemreg is 'n
ongekwalifiseerde regering. En dit is presies hoe dinge uitgewerk het.
Ek het nooit geglo dat 'n blanke gelaat of 'n ouderdom van 18 jaar 'n
voldoende kwalifikasie was nie. Daar is onder albei blankes en swartes mense
wat basies te dom is om so 'n belangrike keuse verantwoordelik uit te oefen.
Okay, dis nie maklik om die behoorlike kwalifikasies te bepaal nie. Ons kan
nie sommer beveel dat matriek, of 'n sekere salaris, nodig is. En in 'n
nuwe Suid Afrika moet ons seker maak dat elke rassegroep 'n betekenisvolle
stem kry.
Soos dinge nou staan, word die stemreg van verantwoordelike kiesers
uitgeblus deur die oorweldige meerderheid van die stemvee. Hoe anders sit
Winnie Mandela by nommer 6 op die ANC se lys? Hoe anders kry ons 'n Deputy
Speaker met 'n vervalsde bestuurderslisensie? Hoe anders kry ons Yengenis,
en Zumas (twee, nogal!), enTshabala-Msimangs, en Chippy Shaiks, en 'n hele
blerrie regering wat glad nie bereid is om sy taak aan te pak nie?
Ron McGregor
(vir 'n bietjie pret) http://www.economist.co.za/donga.htm
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Sa, 19 Julie 2003 16:02 |
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Katryn wrote:
Het vergeet om ook te noem dat die einste John Ogbu het ook na IK's
gekyk en vergelykende studies gedoen met groepe mense dwarsoor die
wereld. (Enigiemand wat selfs net 'n basiese idee het van hoe IK
toetste werk, sal weet van al die probleme wat saam met die tipe van
ding gaan.)
Maar ek wil graag uitwys dat hy duidelike verskille kon uitwys tussen
byvoorbeeld die Katolieke en Protestante in Noord Ierland, die
Engelse en Afrikaners in Suid Afrika en 'n hele spul ander
groepe/nasies.
En die verskille was BEDUIDEND groot!
Uit hierdie bevindings het hy sy teorie van "stigmatized minority
groups" ontwikkel.
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Sa, 19 Julie 2003 16:52 |
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barte...@yahoo.com (George B.) wrote:
> http://www.rebellie.org/raaktief_v1.htm
> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname-3_1.doc
>
> English Version:
> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname3Engels.doc
>
> Meningsopname deur die Kulturele Geregtigheid Stigting
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>
> Geagte Volksgenoot
>
> Regsargument word tans in die Hooggeregshof te Pretoria gevoer ten
> opsigte van die wettigheid al dan nie van die wyse waarop die De
> Klerk-Regering die mag in Suid-Afrika oorgegee het.
>
> Die voormalige staatspresident, F.W. De Klerk, is gedagvaar deur die
> regspan van sekere aangeklaagdes in die "Boeremag" - saak om op 4
> Augustus 2003 in die hof te verskyn sodat hy kan getuig oor die
> bogenoemde
> proses.
>
> 'n Argument wat reeds deur die Staat aangevoer is, lui dat die
> meerderheid van voormalige kiesers in die De Klerk-era stilswyend hul
> goedkeuring verleen aan die wyse waarop die huidige bewind tot stand
> gekom het.
>
> Dit is van kardinale belang dat u, as lid van die publiek, u stem
> uitbring teen hierdie bewering indien u nie stilswyend die De
> Klerk-Regering
> se optrede ten opsigte van magsoorgawe goedkeur nie.
>
> Om hierdie rede, bied die Kulturele Geregtigheid Stigting u 'n
> geleentheid om u stem uit te bring by wyse van u handtekening op die
> meegaande
> vorm, waarin bogenoemde saak verder uiteengesit word.
>
> Die saak is uiteraard dringend, en word u versoek om so spoedig
> moontlik u gewaardeerde aandag hieraan te skenk.
>
> Dit sal verder waardeer word indien u:
> Die handtekening lys kan uitdruk (aangeheg as "Word"-dokument)
> ---------------- snip -------------
You have lost touch with reality:
Every thing that De Klerk did politically, is by definition, on public record.
The desire to 'hear it from the mouth of a celebrity' is part of the soap
opera mentality.
The whole hang-up with "die wet" is an Afrikaans thing.
It's meaningless in africa.
While Law is transforming from its afrikaans form to its african form
it is passing through the circus form. Like now.
"by wyse van u handtekening op die meegaande vorm" is a first world
mechanism, which is inappropriate and meaningless in new-SA.
Just think: what is the motivation and 'voting power' of the TAC,
with their millions (and increasing daily) of members, compared to
your cause.
Your ancestors fled europe for economic or persecution reasons; it's
time to move on again. Learn from the jews.
Above all, don't invest your efforts in fixed assets in africa.
Asking for "Word"-dokument is a typical inappropriate afrikaanerism.
> Met dank die uwe
>
> Nasionale Koördineerder (Pieter Moller 012-807 2777 kantoor-ure of 084
> 514 0842)
>
> e-pos: p...@telkomsa.net
>
> of cam...@telkomsa.net
>
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From: "John Smith"
Subject: THE FACTS EXPOSED: LIBERALISM, RACE AND RACISM
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:57:01 +0200
LIBERALISM AND LIBERALS EXPOSED !
&
THE TRUE FACTS ABOUT RACE
THE BLAME GAME
Is the term "White Man" an abomination, forbidden, a curse or a sin?
When did the responsibility for the 'evolution', help, provision and
development of the native African people (and the other primitive races)
become the responsibility of the First World, and the Whites in particular?
Anyone who knows of the disparity that existed when the first settlers
landed in Africa, or other primitive areas, will realise that this
disadvantage is not the result of colonization, or anything else, other than
difference in creation and the genetic make-up (identity), meaning radical
difference in race or (sub)species. Their lack of intelligence, progress or
inventiveness since the dawn of mankind is proof enough of that.
Their stunted (by European standards) 'evolutionary' path is now blamed
on the Whites, and a concerted attempt is being made to instill a guilt
complex on the Whites, under the pretext the natives would be on a par
if it were not for colonization and slavery.
PROGRESS
When in truth, while left undisturbed by White colonists for millions of
years, their rate of progress or change was insignificant. The wheel was
unknown to them, they had no written language nor any agricultural or
scientific processes. Primitive methods which they stumbled across, such
as ore extraction, were never refined or improved. In contrast, since Adam
(created only six thousand years ago) appeared on the earth, the White,
Civilized Western World also suddenly appeared and progressed in leaps
and bounds. Even these earthly native's primitive shelter construction
techniques were borrowed from the nest building methods of the local birds
without ever improving on the design. They just do not have enquiring or
inventive characteristics. Nor do they have an industrious or charitable
bone in their bodies. Before they met the White Man they also never heard
of the Bible or the Ten Commandments, not to mention civilized morals and
ethics.
CREATION
It is alledged that the cradle of the early hominids is in Southern Africa,
and it is no coincidence that the further away you move from Africa, the
more progress took place. It is because the genetically and intellectually
more advanced and hence more inventive, inquisitive, and industrious
members of mankind [the Adamites or Whites] originated, explored and
migrated not from Africa but from central Asia and Europe. While the
dormant native races [Pre-Adamic Hominids - Created long before Adam]
remained where they were, sudden civilizations were built by the Adamic
Race in the north, (six thousand years ago) who continued onwards from
there. The current Pre-Adamic (native) inhabitants are merely nomads
who stumbled across remnants of these civilizations - they are nothing
more than squatters claiming credit for White Adamic achievements.
The well-known biological fact that any species (kind) only reproduce
identically, destroys the liberal fallacy that all the (different) races
originated with Adam. Adam's identity could only have been of one race,
- which includes his pure descendants. The word "Adam" also means
"to blush" and only one race can blush. Only Adam was the pinacle of
creation (created last), created in the image of God, making only him
and his kind the most intelligent and civilized beings on earth.
EARLY INVENTIONS
The current inhabitants of Egypt had nothing to do with the creation of its
constructions (mathematical wonders). Which is why they have no
knowledge of their creation. In fact it is Western (White) Man who has
provided the most insight into their mysteries, including the ancient
languages. Do you think that their 'ancestors' just forgot to mention an
achievement of that scale and significance ? Did they forget to write
down the details despite also having invented some of the first known
written languages ? If it were not for White colonists the natives of
Africa would still be ignorant of the technological and scientific
achievements of the First World, which they now envy, but fail to
understand and are generally unable to achieve. Primitive (animal)
instincts of reproduction, lack of sexual control, intolerance, violence,
brutality, and self-interest, are natural for their position on the
(Pre-Adamic) timeline of creation.
PRIMITIVE NATURE
In the environment that would prevail in Africa, if it were not for Western
influence / interference, they would be attributes essential to survival.
The time and nature of their creation has made them more adapted to
survival and related physical activities. Their natural attrition from
famine, plague etc. which nature uses to maintain a balance, has been
disrupted by Western technology and influence, and even throughout this
modern period of time, the control of their natural reproductive rate could
not take place.
It is by means of western medicine, agriculture, peacekeeping efforts, aid,
etc. coupled with their inability to overcome primitive reproductive
instincts, that they have multiplied to the point that the continent can no
longer support their massive numbers, but still our white liberal, humanist
traitors are treating their countless natives (fellow primates) in such a
manner that is way superior to that of endangered (or extinct) species or
game !
DEVELOPMENT
This is not to say that one evolutionary path of development is better than
the other. However, the path taken by the White and Eastern races has
resulted in them establishing an environment and culture tailored to their
own development, and the African races for theirs. Thousands of years
of evolutionary progress and technological advancement was thrust on
them in the blink of an eye on the timeline of development's evolution.
This has resulted in the 'Fish Out Of Water' syndrome, which we see
today with respect to Africa, the African people and other tribes of
primitive and native origin, when they are trying to impersonate and
adapt to the western way of life.
The more advanced along the evolutionary curve a native race or tribe was
when the western world arrived on their doorstep, the better they are able
to assimilate into our environment and culture. It is also the reason that,
as soon as the environment shifts / deteriorates back to what is more
suitable to the skills, characteristics and 'morals' of the indigenous
people, the Whites / settlers become the 'Fish Out Of Water', and are
unable to survive, and generally migrate to environments more compatible
with their cultural evolution and concept of morals and ethics. This then
results in a faster regression (also meaning the return to normality and
suitability for the indigenous people).
MORALS AND ETHICS
The difference between their concept of morals and ours is vast. We have
western governments trying to force 'democracy' on them, regardless of the
fact that they do not understand, and cannot adopt to this principle, as can
be seen by the civil wars which erupt after every (usually rigged) election.
Why would they embrace democracy ? - When naturally and historically
their lives and cultures have been controlled by autocratic kings and chiefs
- and still are, regardless of the veil of 'democracy' put in place to
appease the West. This superficial 'democracy' is only tolerated because
it is seen as a requirement to access the aid, wealth and trappings of the
western cultures. When combined with the rampant bribery, corruption
and incompetence of their elected officials (elected through intimidation
and vote rigging, easily accomplished with this underlying structure) it is
farcical. The quality of a democracy is proportional to the collective
intelligence of the electorate. 'Democracy' in Africa is the election of
the incompetent and corrupt by the ignorant and illiterate.
We prop up, enforce and subsidise systems which are foreign to them,
just because it offends our civilized 'White' principles and morals. Recent
native tradition was / is such that if you wanted / needed something, which
another chief / tribe had, you simply gathered your army and conducted a
raid. The cattle, women, food, etc. were then yours. (These being the
prized possessions of their 'evolutionary' period - and generally still
are). Savagery, selfishness, brutality, murder, violence, theft, corruption
etc. (these are our 'White', civilized definitions) are not faults in their
natural indigenous environment, but are essential components of the
survival skills that they have evolved in order to cope in their harsh and
unforgiving natural environment, which existed when they were discovered
by the Western world. Ignorant Whites who still believe that they can
'protect ' their future by voting [for 'the (white) opposition'] will soon
face the hard and brutal facts of Baboon-Africa.
CHARITY
Why do we have more concern for their suffering than their own people do ?
The images of starving or homeless children etc. are paraded in front of our
eyes as a means to access our eager (gullible, naïve) generosity - while
they themselves care very little. Somehow there is always an abundance of
money and aid [provided by our white liberal, humanist traitors] for food,
medicine, arms, corruption and bribery etc. to ensure that they stay in
power, because the natives of Africa cannot govern, or look after their own
people in these modern times. Most of their children have been abandoned
or orphaned as a result of their primitive characteristics (brutality,
self-interest, violence, etc.). Any aid received is usually stolen, sold on
the black market, wasted or misappropriated. They constantly wail and
moan about human rights, equality, discrimination, apartheid etc. when they
themselves rule through savagery, brutality, violence, intimidation and
corruption. They are so intolerant that it extends down to deadly tribal
clashes - even existing today between many tribes. They do not share the
generosity or charity of the Whites especially in times of shortages
(a permanent feature of Africa now, due to overpopulation).
EQUALITY
They have however become masters at the art of manipulating the
weaknesses (naïve, eager generosity) of the Whites by making full use
of our charitable 'religious principles' and the much-misunderstood notion
of 'equality'. Any notion of the equality of man, race, species or anything
else in nature is absurd. Not even identical twins are born equal.
If equality were a reality, then God would not have created different races,
kinds and species. Even more absurd is the misconception that this
'equality' between races can be achieved through education. If education
could override evolved creation, then anyone could be 'taught' to be a
Da Vinci, Newton, Einstein, Von Braun, Mozart or Beethoven etc. or
one could 'teach' a Donkey to eventually become a Racehorse.
Education will never be the 'remedy' or 'substitute' for less intelligent
races ! The (false) concept of 'religious equality' has been subverted,
distorted and (mis)used as a successful tool mainly by communists and
liberals (who also completely infiltrated and influenced the churches),
to de-stabilize the colonies and mixed societies (the so-called freedom
struggles etc.) so they themselves could secretly gain a strategic
advantage in order to attain power in government (conquer by
subversion and revolution). This misconstrued and unbiblical version
of 'equality' was eagerly embraced by the indoctrinated populace,
namely : by the ignorant, the gullible, the naïve, by humanists, by
liberals, the selfish and the greedy. Pre-Adamites
(created before Adam) and Adamites are not equal before God.
No Pre-Adamites will be judged, - but only Adam's descendants.
RACISM
Another misconstrued and abused concept created by communists and
liberals is the term 'Racism'. It is very natural for groups, with similar
backgrounds, cultures and interests, to have an affinity for each other and
to congregate and associate along these lines. Natural seperation occurs as
much amongst a group of mixed nationality or mixed interest white group as
it does amongst a mixed native or white / native group. However, when
seperation happens between Whites and other races, then suddenly it is no
longer natural, but racist ! Why are there no quotas, affirmative action
etc. for Whites or for the other nationalities, races and ethnic groups ?
Why only for blacks ?
A joke may be made about the Irish, Australian, French, etc. - in fact
anyone other than a black race or nationality - this is then suddenly
racist ! This is just another component of the concerted effort to instill
a guilt complex on the Western / White race, to disguise the inability of
the primitive native races to cope in the developed western environment
and to force us to alter our environment so that they can cope, or to give
them the benefits regardless of whether they cope or contribute or not.
Why is it acceptable to have black unions, black business associations etc,
or for blacks to dominate certain sports such as basketball ? (Rightly so,
since they have the best attributes and skills for these activities - just
as it is right for other groups with different attributes and skills to
dominate their fields which suit them). They are suspiciously quiet about
the teams not being representative of the USA etc. - no quotas asked for
here ! Louis Farrakan is entitled to such opinion (ask any black) but a
white person is not entitled to these same opinions. This would suddenly
be called racist. - Why ?! As soon as any similar situation is reversed,
then it is suddenly labeled Racist ! What happened to OUR rights to
freedom of association ?
Just as the disabled person requires a permit / sticker to get preferential
parking, access etc. - So should anyone else, requiring preferential
treatment in the modern educated Western world, admit that they cannot
cope with the normal western environment - and fairly also wear the
badge of their disability (inferior intelligence) ! If they were truly
equal then this would not be necessary after all !
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
At first, slavery / racism was to blame for an inability to cope and/or
achieve in the technologically advanced environment of the western world.
When 'racism' was substituted and they were granted 'equal access' or
'equal opportunity' (the only right anyone naturally should have) and still
could not cope, the cry suddenly changed to 'affirmative action'. Now,
those that have equal access, affirmative action and education, but still
fail to achieve, demand that they be given the qualifications / positions /
benefits etc. regardless (Quota's etc.), or that the standards suddenly
be revised / reduced, resorting to violence, arson and destruction etc.
(animal instinct) to enforce their absurd demands, or simply obtain
'credentials' / 'certificates' through fraudulent means. The proliferation
of fraudulent certificates, degrees, diplomas, driver's licenses and now
even pilots licenses is ample proof, while in S.A. our honest White
matriculants cannot find any jobs because our white liberal traitors will
see to it that their 'disadvantaged' (dumb) fellow primates get the jobs
first by any means possible !
DISCRIMINATION
The Soccer World Cup bid by South Africa is another example of the
strategy of using guilt to achieve their goals. With claims of "it is our
turn", 'racism', etc. and a total disregard for the technical quality of the
other bids, they try to force acceptance of theirs. England lost out
through a few hooligans, but the World is expected to ignore the violence,
murderous anarchy and high crime in Southern Africa. Even a halfwit can
see where the projections of current trends of crime, violence, rape, aids,
instability and corruption etc. lead to in 2010.
Only a fool would commit to an event of this scale in the distant future in
such an unstable, deteriorating and mismanaged environment. Just as after
any other lost election, there is no acceptance of the process or outcome,
nor any dignity in defeat. We should be grateful however, that they have
not initiated an armed ('freedom') struggle against the world soccer body,
Germany or New Zealand for that matter. The attacks on busses by the
taxi associations (and on each other) are another example of Baboon-
African 'Free Enterprise'. Who needs advertising or competition when
you have got an AK 47 ?
The quality of government is a reflection of the collective intelligence of
the electorate - Just a cursory look around Africa will explain what you
are dealing with. After demanding 'freedom' etc. they destroy their own
country, kill some Whites and then flood illegally into other countries to
screw them up as well (usually Western countries run by the Whites which
they despise and so eagerly call 'racist'). I may have equal access and
rights to the Arctic, but I will never be an Eskimo ! If I should try, and
not be able to cope with the demands of the arctic environment - do I have
the right to demand that the environment be changed to compensate for my
inabilities ? Or that other competent Eskimos be excluded so that I may
appear to be excelling. Then if this is not done - to claim that I am then
the victim of racism, discrimination or otherwise been unfairly
disadvantaged.
HIV / AIDS
Should I contract AIDS through my inability to control my sexual urges,
or when I am a drug addict - do I then have the right to demand free
medication and treatment - paid for with hard earned tax money ?
What about those with other illnesses, which are not self-inflicted,
- will this benefit be extended to them as well, or are they now happy to
again blatantly discriminate, as long as it benefits them ? Are the
pharmaceutical companies going to give the same consideration to all
the ill people of the world, or do they consider the lives and health of
non-Aids sufferers to be of lesser value ? Aids is a self-inflicted and
self eradicating disease. Nature is cleansing the planet of deviants,
evolutionary retards and parasites by restoring the balance which we
have disturbed. Just let nature run its course ! Yet we still find a pile
of loathsome (white) liberals who insist to continually save as many as
possible of their dark, native 'fellow (sub)human beings' (baboon-friends)
as they can, even if their numbers run far into the hundreds of millions,
while the Whites in Africa are only a few million.
While many White children are becoming poorer each day, our typical
white liberal traitor only chooses to adopt and feed yet another Aids-
Infected native infant ! Liberals are quick to lecture about your 'moral
duties' - about giving your money to their 'valid cause' ! Why are our
spineless liberal 'Aids activists' not instructing their ('equals' /
'beloved') Aids-Infected native women (endangered game) not to get
pregnant, instead of demanding that millions more of our tax money
are wasted on free Aids treatment ?!
DEMANDS
If I insisted on working in a nuclear physics research environment but
understood little of nuclear physics - should I demand that they revise
their entrance requirements or maybe restrict all research only to the basic
elements ? Why then, when certain groups fail to score as high as other
groups, on the tests designed to access suitability for the technological
Western environment, such as I.Q. etc. - do they claim that these tests are
discriminatory and racist, and demand that they be revised ?! The same
applies to Western educational institutions designed to prepare one for the
demands of an advanced technological age. The list of examples of these
anomalies is endless, yet we accept them daily without question. Just
imagine your life in the (incompetent) hands of a so-called 'qualified'
black (HIV+) paramedic !
It is amazing how frequently the term 'DEMAND' is used by groups that
have contributed little to, or even hindered the progress of Modern
Civilization. Even more unbelievable is how willing we are to consent to
such demands, no matter how ludicrous ! Thereby hindering our own
progress even further. Instead of moving forward with our own culture
and development, our time and efforts are being consumed by efforts to
alter our society / environment to accommodate those who are foreign
to it, and who do not contribute to it. Is this an attempt to slow down
our progress, in the hope that primitive ('less evolved' / less intelligent)
groups can catch up ? Any environment or group, to which they are
not suited or are unable to achieve in, is simply and conveniantly
branded as discriminatory and racist.
PRACTICAL EXAMPLE
Consider the following scenario : A genetically similar, but
technologically superior alien race arrives on our planet and promptly
replaces all our familiar technology with theirs and alter our environment
with new transport, construction and farming techniques etc.
Our language and written communication is replaced with telepathy.
This technology works on principles which we are not yet able to
conceptualize. All control is achieved by means of mental telepathy etc.
and a careless thought results in damage or catastrophe. They also
replace all the familiar laws, rules and religious principles with their
own, the transgression of which results in swift retribution.
All the necessary educational institutions are provided - where all
lectures are presented telepathically on the assumption that we have
evolved sufficiently to grasp their concepts. They then unanimously
decide that we are their 'equals' and charge us with the responsibility
for this new environment. If anyone of them suddenly protests that we
are not prepared (developed) for the task, the complainants are then
told that they are simply 'racist'. How competent would we actually
be in such a new advanced environment ? How frustrated ?
-- 'Fish Out Of Water' perhaps ? - Such is the equivalent experience
of the primitive native groups.
DIFFERENCE IN CREATION / RACE / IDENTITY
Unless we accept that we are naturally created different, (even
genetically - hence the easy identification of race by forensics) that we
have different needs and that we are not all comfortable, suited to, or
able to cope in the same environment - we cannot hope to avoid conflict.
We need to stop forcing a foreign environment on others and above all
stop trying to adopt a culture which is unnatural, and then complain that
they are disadvantaged. All the valid genetic, physiological and
psychological studies that have been done which highlight and prove the
differences between the races have been covered up as 'discriminatory'
and 'racist' by our (white) liberal 'educators'. How much longer are we
going to paint over hard facts (and the truth) with the filthy brush of
liberalism, humanism and 'political correctness' ?!
HYBRIDS / 'EXCEPTIONS'
There will always be 'exceptions' in any ethnic group. Usually these are
paraded as proof of 'equality' without focusing attention on the amount of
hidden white (intelligent) blood already secretly flowing through the veins
of these so-called 'black achievers'. Most of them are in fact not so 'pure
black' as they claim to be. However, neither nature, race, species nor
evolution is governed by exceptions. Which exception or oddball's
characteristics would determine the environment for the rest of us ?
The Whites do not hold up Da Vinci, Newton, Einstein, Mozart nor
Beethoven, etc. as examples of Joe Average ! Who can the native
races hold up as equal great achievers of their time ?!
FORCED INTEGRATION
Any suitable environment will always be governed by, and evolve to the
average requirements of a particular group or species. Forced adaptation
of our environment in an attempt to accommodate these primitive native
races will simply retard western progress. Just consider the contribution
to western progress and lifestyle the trillions of dollars (squandered in
Africa in the futile attempts to drag them into the modern era) could have
made, - these were our tax dollars ! Any attempt to create a single
environment for everyone will of necessity be a retrograde step, and
result in it not being ideally suited to anyone - resulting in feelings of
discrimination and eventually conflict. Only a fool defies the laws of
nature. If they insist on trying to impersonate the western culture then it
must simply be a case of 'swim or sink' or 'fit in or F.O'. We must not
sacrifice our identity or allow our race / identity to be swamped by
foreign entities because of our generosity !
We must not allow our unique race / identity to become extinct /
hybridized by means of interbreeding with other races.
The mixing of race is always eagerly glorified by our liberal 'leaders'.
We must now apply our efforts to cultivate our inborn White
Nationalism so that we may re-claim our own land, improve our own
environment and culture for ourselves and not allow our progress and
future to be hijacked by filthy, shrewd humanistic (white) liberals who
are in fact the hidden power source behind their beloved primitive
sub-human, parasitic masses. How much longer are we going to
tolerate the loathsome (white) humanist liberal scum amongst us ?!
The concept of 'racism' was created to avoid the myth of 'equality' being
exposed. Remember this document the next time you see a strike / march
or demonstration by a (parasitic) 'disadvantaged' group, trying to force
their demands and opinion on you, or demanding that you hand over your
resources for them to squander, while they refuse to pay for basic services,
- dragging municipal councils into millions rands of debt. It is Western
exploration, science and conquest that have revealed the world to itself.
Native races feel like subjects of western power long after colonialism,
imperialism, and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles
Whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they
don't grasp what it really means, namely humiliation. The White Man
presents an image of superiority even when he isn't conscious of it -
and superiority excites envy, which is exploited behind the scenes by
liberal forces.
LIBERALISM
Slowly destroying White (Christian) Civilization [by promoting 'equality'
(interbreeding), 'freedom' (moral decay - the degradation of the White Race)
and the secret incitement of Blacks against Whites (conquer by revolution)]
is the innermost desire of the satanic league of the Illuminati [the secret
One-World Government], by making use of all their planted (selected)
liberal agents (white race-traitors) in every level of our society [namely :
politicians and law makers, churches and ministers, bankers and
businessmen, entertainers and musicians, television, radio, the media,
editors, universities and lecturers, schools, headmasters and teachers,
cultural and religious groups, social and religious leaders] to create,
install and indoctrinate the Universal Fallacy (liberal motto) into every
mind (including our children), namely : "Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood
and Democracy" - This became one of the major universal (satanic)
slogans of our age.
LIBERALS ARE THE MAIN AND REAL PROBLEM
Liberals are/cause the rot in society by eagerly preaching the concepts of
Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood, One (rainbow) Nation, One in Christ,
shamelessly glorifying race-mixing even in the churches - done 'in the name
of Jesus', while Christ Himself hates the teaching of Baalam (race-mixing)
in Rev. 2:14 referring to Num. 25:1-8 and Num. 31:9-17. Liberals are
very eager to help, support, sponsor, feed and care for any other race
except poor Whites which they despise. A liberal will nail you when you
injure or kill a black criminal by accusing you of assaulting his/her
'fellow man' without just cause. Liberals will see to it that you spend
your money on all their 'valid' causes. Liberals are the secret source
of financing, power, intellect, organisation and invention behind
Communism, Humanism, Corrupt Laws, Liberal Politics, 'Black
Struggles', Black Upliftment, Affirmative Action, 'Human Rights', Riots,
Anti-Aids (save-the-baboon) Campaigns, Liberal Propaganda in the
Media and Advertising, Liberal Education, Liberal 'Freedom'
(moral decay) and the (liberal) Christian Churches [who they influenced,
infiltrated and conquered long-ago] preaching Liberal Theology
(Unity Doctrine), being bigots by refusing to preach and act
(actively campaign) against the rampant moral decay. Being a direct
cause of all the crime it is now our spineless, two-faced liberals
(who also voted "YES" twice) who legally practice 'apartheid' by
suddenly developing closed-off security residential villages, living
inside their secure castles, surrounded by walls, barbed wire and
electrical fences - trying to keep out their barbaric black 'fellows'.
THE ANSWER
It is high time to use your own superiour brain and to start thinking for
yourself by asking questions about the future of your children, instead of
being told what to believe and how and what to think - blindly accepting
liberal trash as truth ! Wake up White Man, for it is you who are truly
being misled, victimized and oppressed ! Look out and learn to identify all
the humanist liberal traitors (baboon-lovers) amongst you. Then write down
their names and addresses, keep it in a safe place to be used for exposing
them in the future, for they are your (and your children's) true and
foremost hidden enemy and the real reason behind your oppression ! It is
not a question IF a civil war will break out, but WHEN ! Only our naïve,
spineless liberals wouldn't ever expect a civil war in their 'New Rainbow
Paradise' where they will be rounded up and rooted out like weeds !
THE WHITE COLONIST'S APOLOGY
We, the White Colonists wish to make a confession ; We confess our sins
against the black people of Africa (and those of our forefathers), which are
outlined in detail below :
1. We apologize for introducing civilization to them, for giving them
doctors, hospitals, medical services, immunization and modern medicine that
enabled them to survive famine, plagues, disasters and caused them to
multiply into uncountable numbers.
2. We apologize for teaching them to read and write an European language
and even for putting their own languages down in writing for them. We even
taught them science and mathematics (we tried), and built hundreds (if not
thousands) of schools for them, even rebuilding and repairing same again and
again, when they burnt them down or vandalized them too many times.
3. We apologize for designing and building factories and shops, which gave
them work. We apologize for taking them into our homes to work, giving
them food and even paying, helping, providing and accomodating them and
their families.
4. We apologize for building farms out of barren bush and vegetable
gardens from which we fed them - things they never had before.
5. We apologize for giving them decent clothes and shoes instead of leaving
them in their animal skins they wore before we found them wandering
aimlessly around the plains, mountains and valleys not having evolved /
developed sufficiently to invent even the wheel or the written language or
money or how to cultivate the soil.
6. We apologize for (providing the knowledge of) extracting minerals from
below the earth, minerals which had always been there but
were unknown to these native inhabitants. We apologize for creating mining
jobs and for paying them to work in these mines.
7. We apologize for those among us who established charities to feed and
clothe them while they themselves never knew, and still not know, the
meaning of charity, not forgetting the Bible and the Ten Commandments
which we tried to teach them (all in vain).
8. We apologize for designing and building a network of modern roads all
over the country which they now (mis)use to give Africa one of the highest
road accident rates in the world. We also apologize for the automobile
which we introduced to them.
9. We apologize for designing and building huge dams which keep them
supplied with fresh water, even in times of drought.
10. We apologize for introducing them to modern construction techniques
which enabled them to move out of the mud and grass structures which they
copied from bird's nests, not forgetting radio, television and modern
communication which we gave them too.
11. We apologize for paying the lion's greatest share of our country's tax
burden while spending the least of it upon ourselves.
For all these above 'evil sins' we most humbly beg forgiveness, and if they
will only accept our apologies, we will gladly take back all of the
abovementioned 'evil gifts' and leave these 'clever', dark races where and
as we found them ages ago !
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> Maar ek wil graag uitwys dat hy duidelike verskille kon uitwys tussen
> byvoorbeeld die Katolieke en Protestante in Noord Ierland, die
> Engelse en Afrikaners in Suid Afrika en 'n hele spul ander
> groepe/nasies.
> En die verskille was BEDUIDEND groot!
> Uit hierdie bevindings het hy sy teorie van "stigmatized minority
> groups" ontwikkel.
Kan jy vertel watter verskille hy gekry het tussen Engelse
en Afrikaners in SA?
Gloudina
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> Die " agtergeblewenes" in die VSA is natuurlik die swart
> lede van die bevolking wat tot in die vyftigerjare veral in
> die suide van die VSA in aparte skole gehok was, en wat
> eers na 1964 stemreg gekry het. Maar orals waar swart
> mense in die VSA gelyke skoolgeriewe met wittes gehad
> het, het hulle net so goed presteer as wittes, of soms beter.
> Hoe verklaar jy dat ou George Bush se Security Advisor
> en Secretary of State albei swart is nou.
> Daar is natuurlik 'n beweging in die VSA om fondse te
> bekom vir meer beurse vir swartes uit geld wat die
> VSA moet betaal vir die skandaal van slawe uit Afrika,
> wat hulle tot laat in die negentiende eeu nog wettig in
> die VSA gehou het.
>
> Tant Hessie van Alabama.
>
Antie jy mis die punt totaal en al. Ek kom nou net terug vannaf 'n 6 week
trippie vannaf Jamaica en Trinidad, waar saam met 'n groep swart ingineers
gewerk het. Ek het die wereld se respek vir hierdie mense en hulle staan nie
'n tree terug vir enige wit, geel, pink of pers ingineer waarmee ek al
voorheen saam gewerk het nie.
Dit maak my rerig wonder wat is die verskil tussen hulle en die "Useless"
bliksems wat hier rondom my woon. Tog woon ons in Amerika ek my bure het al
die geleenthede in die wereld om iets van hulle self te maak? maar die mense
in Karribiese eilande in sommige gevalle doen beter as die swart mense hier.
Ek sê nie almal in die karribiese eilande is voorvarent nie, nee daar is ook
maar baie armoede maar ek het al agtergekom hulle uitkyk op die lewe is
heelwat anders. in die meeste gevalle is hulle baie vriendelik en mens voel
nie bedreig deur hulle nie (behalwe miskien in Jamaica).
Slawerny is 'n kak verskoning maar steeds die swart mense se beste wapen,
net soos die swartes in Suid Afrika apartheid kunsmatig aan die lewe probeer
hou sodat hulle 'n goeie verskoning kan hê vir hulle mislukkings.
My teorie oor die karribiese Eilande: Hulle het nie sulke kak verskonings
nie, hulle moet maar net die bul by die horings aanpak!!
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>> So jy is alweer besig om stront te gorrel. Die vorige regering in Suid
>> Afrika het sekerlik iets te doen met die ongeletterheid van die
>> "agtergeblewenes" maar jy en jou maatjies wil maar nie erken dat hierdie
>> "agtergeblewenes" ook maar 'n deel van die blaam moet kry nie.
>
>
> Die " agtergeblewenes" in die VSA is natuurlik die swart
> lede van die bevolking wat tot in die vyftigerjare veral in
> die suide van die VSA in aparte skole gehok was, en wat
> eers na 1964 stemreg gekry het. Maar orals waar swart
> mense in die VSA gelyke skoolgeriewe met wittes gehad
> het, het hulle net so goed presteer as wittes, of soms beter.
> Hoe verklaar jy dat ou George Bush se Security Advisor
> en Secretary of State albei swart is nou.
> Daar is natuurlik 'n beweging in die VSA om fondse te
> bekom vir meer beurse vir swartes uit geld wat die
> VSA moet betaal vir die skandaal van slawe uit Afrika,
> wat hulle tot laat in die negentiende eeu nog wettig in
> die VSA gehou het.
>
> Tant Hessie van Alabama.
>
>
Ek is besig om 'n huis te koop en het baie huiswerk gedoen oor die skole in
die omgewing.
In my county is daar bykans 15 Hoërskole. Meer as die helfte van hierdie
skole het 'n meerderheid swart studente. Hierdie skole is meestal Graad D
tot F skole die enigste 3 skole in die county wat graad A skole is is die 3
skole wat meer as 70% wit studente het.
Ek sê nie swart mense is dom nie maar daar is duidelik fout iewers en solank
die verskil tussen die rasse, of dit nou IK , sosiale omstandighede of wat
ookal is, nie erken word nie gaan die probleem net groter word.
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> Ek is besig om 'n huis te koop en het baie huiswerk gedoen oor die skole in
> die omgewing.
> In my county is daar bykans 15 Hoërskole. Meer as die helfte van hierdie
> skole het 'n meerderheid swart studente. Hierdie skole is meestal Graad D
> tot F skole die enigste 3 skole in die county wat graad A skole is is die 3
> skole wat meer as 70% wit studente het.
>
> Ek sê nie swart mense is dom nie maar daar is duidelik fout iewers en solank
> die verskil tussen die rasse, of dit nou IK , sosiale omstandighede of wat
> ookal is, nie erken word nie gaan die probleem net groter word.
>
Dit is beslis nie "IK" of geneties nie (soos jy self bewys het met jou
ondervinding op die Karibiese eilande). Iets interessants oor IK, in toetse
wat gedoen is op Ellis Island in 1913, het 83% van die Jode, 87% van die
Russe, 80% Hongare en 79% Italianers as "verstandelik vertraag" getoets
(H.H. Goddard). 'n Hele ruk terug het die BBC 'n program uitgesaai oor IK,
en het hulle aangehaal uit 'n verslag van (ek dink) die dertigerjare, waarin
daar gestaan het dat 'n groep mense wat getoets is amper "retarded" was, en
dat hulle baie duidelik oor die algemeen heeltemaal ondergeskik was. Die
groep was die Afrikaners.
Lorinda
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"Glücklich" wrote in message
> Slawerny is 'n kak verskoning maar steeds die swart mense se beste wapen,
> net soos die swartes in Suid Afrika apartheid kunsmatig aan die lewe probeer
> hou sodat hulle 'n goeie verskoning kan hê vir hulle mislukkings.
>
> My teorie oor die karribiese Eilande: Hulle het nie sulke kak verskonings
> nie, hulle moet maar net die bul by die horings aanpak!!
Sonder dat jy dit raaksien, is jy besig om juis te illustreer
wat aangaan wanneer groot dele van die bevolking in 'n
sekere gebied kunsmatig geforseer word om in 'n onder-
geskikte posisie te lewe. Hulle is dan die " agtergeblewenes."
Dit het in die Suide van die VSA gebeur, waar swartmense
tot in die tweede helfte van die twintigste eeu in 'n posisie
van ondergeskiktheid gelewe het. Die ouens wat na die
noorde van die VSA uitgewyk het, het beter begin vaar.
Die swartes wat na Kanada ontsnap het, het waardige lede
van die bevolking geword. Die swartes in die Karribiese
Eilande het net 'n groter aandeel gehad in 'n sekere vryheid
wat deur die Britte voorgestaan is. Slawerny is in die
Britse Gemenebes al in die eerste deel van die negentiende
eeu afgeskaf. In SA was die swart bevolking goed op pad
om dieselfde vryhede te kon bekom, maar toe kom 1948
en regresseer SA weer in die donker eeue in.
Tant Hessie van die underground railway
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> Ek is besig om 'n huis te koop en het baie huiswerk gedoen oor die skole in
> die omgewing.
> In my county is daar bykans 15 Hoërskole. Meer as die helfte van hierdie
> skole het 'n meerderheid swart studente. Hierdie skole is meestal Graad D
> tot F skole die enigste 3 skole in die county wat graad A skole is is die 3
> skole wat meer as 70% wit studente het.
>
> Ek sê nie swart mense is dom nie maar daar is duidelik fout iewers en solank
> die verskil tussen die rasse, of dit nou IK , sosiale omstandighede of wat
> ookal is, nie erken word nie gaan die probleem net groter word.
My seun wat onlangs na San Jose moes trek omdat sy maatskappy
hulle hoofkwartiere van Toronto na San Jose wou verplaas, het dieselfde
" huiswerk" gedoen en 'n huis gekoop in 'n area wat sogenaamd van die
beste skole in die hele VSA het. Nou, as mens nou hoor wie in daardie
deel van San Jose bly, watter name die dokters het, ensovoorts, dan sal
jy sweer dat jy nie in " wit Amerika" bly nie, maar in 'n area waar daar
'n mengsel van Oosterse nasies bly, veral Chinese en Japannese en mense
van die Indiese subkontinent. Is dit nou omdat " wit Amerikaners" wat
tegniese know-how betref die " agtergeblewenes" geword het? Of is daar
ander faktore in die spel, soos byvoorbeeld dat die room van die Asiese
nasies 'n breindrein in die rigting van Silicon Valley verteenwoordig en dat
daar in Silicon Valley 'n abnormale hoog IK standaard bewerkstellig is.
Net soos daar in die suide van die VSA die teenoorgestelde gebeur het
onder die swart bevolking.
Terloops, dieselfde gebeur hier in Ottawa, wat sogenaamd die
Silicon Valley of the North bekend staan. As mens so na die name van
die mense kyk wat daar werk ( dis nou hoofsaaklik in Kanata, 'n
voorstad van Ottawa, dan merk jy dieselfde oorwegende Oosterse
vanne onder die werklui op.
Tant Hessie van die Algonquins
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> "Glücklich" wrote in message
> news:1RaSa.1992$g9.313@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
>> So jy is alweer besig om stront te gorrel. Die vorige regering in Suid
>> Afrika het sekerlik iets te doen met die ongeletterheid van die
>> "agtergeblewenes" maar jy en jou maatjies wil maar nie erken dat hierdie
>> "agtergeblewenes" ook maar 'n deel van die blaam moet kry nie.
> "Lorinda" wrote:
> Dis nie 'n "genetiese" ding soos jy dit wil laat klink nie. 'n Interessante
> "eksperiment" in Londen wat heelwat publisiteit gekry het hier: 'n swart
> kind met "probleme" soos baie swak skool prestasie (was elf jaar oud en kon
> skaars lees en skryf), geskors oor gedrags probleme uit 'n inner city skool
> wat die laaste stop was,want geen ander staatskool wou hom vat nie, is deur
> iemand in 'n duur privaat skool gesit en daar onderhou. Hy het laas jaar
> klaargemaak met onderskeidings in al sy vakke, insluitende Latyn. Hier is
> daar in die skole geen verskil tuseen die prestasie van wit en swart kinders
> in middelklas (of beter) buurt skole nie. Selfs in die "probleem" skole kan
> ek nie eintlik sê dat hulle swakker doen nie, die hele lot het daar 'n
> probleem en die ondwerwysers kla meer oor die wit kinders wat oor die
> algemeen slegter maniere as die swart kinders het. Die antwoord is om tyd
> en geld aan opvoeding te bestee.
>
> Lorinda
Actually the ability to understand science is also genetically determined.
Both by race and gender. See it you can understand this:
It is a fact (and still mentionable, without fear of the politically-correct
police) that: "for all human races, males are taller than females".
This fact does not exclude the possibility of:
"'n Interessante "eksperiment" in Londen", that you found a female that
was taller than a male.
Again emphasising the statistical nature of the fact: the (in)famous
publication "the Bell curve", is all about this. Even the very title !!
-- Chris Glur.
No WMD: apparently Bin Laden & Saddam are also 'imagined' ?
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> Actually the ability to understand science is also genetically determined.
> Both by race and gender. See it you can understand this:
> It is a fact (and still mentionable, without fear of the politically-correct
> police) that: "for all human races, males are taller than females".
>
> This fact does not exclude the possibility of:
> "'n Interessante "eksperiment" in Londen", that you found a female that
> was taller than a male.
>
> Again emphasising the statistical nature of the fact: the (in)famous
> publication "the Bell curve", is all about this. Even the very title !!
>
> -- Chris Glur.
Hoogte en "IK" is twee verskillende dinge. Die een kan nie met die ander
vergelyk word nie. Ek sê weer, daar is nie 'n verskil in prestasie tussen
wit en swart kinders in middelklas (of beter) skole in Brittanje nie. Die
"Bell Curve" skiet baie kort, in die sin dat dit nie verduidelik waarom daar
'n verskil in IK tussen meer- en minder bevooregte wit groepe is nie. Die
Afrikaners was 'n groep wat as verstandelik minderwaardig "bewys" is , en
dit was destyds verduidelik dat hulle geneties ageruitgegaan het in Afrika.
Lorinda
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80746 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80664] |
Ma, 21 Julie 2003 10:49 |
jack mehoff
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"Andries Joubert" skryf in boodskap news:bfaeq7$g1n$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> Baie dankie ou Justus.
> Jy is werklik 'n baie rare en goeie ou swarte.
> Jou Afrikaans is op standaard - beter as liberale
> Aids-besmette halwe konte soos jack mehoff.
> Hou so aan ou madala!
> Fok hierdie wit liberale pisgatte op!
> Jy kry dit reg en spaar ons moeite.
> Mooi So !
>
>
>> From: "Justus Khumalo"
>> References:
>>
>>
>> Ag ou fransie, jy is maar net nóg 'n voorbeeld van 'n
>> patetiese wit liberale pisgat (met die smeersel kak) wat
>> die omgewing om jou net vuil smeer wanneer jy daardie
>> infantiele diarree gereeld so naïef kwyt raak.
>>
> [snip]
Ag shame Andries moenie worry nie. When your family describe you to the the
neighbours as being a " little slow" I am sure they mean it in the nicest
possible way.
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80776 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80664] |
Ma, 21 Julie 2003 18:07 |
subie
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What do you mean our leader fell of his horse ???
He dismounted in a hurry that is all.
>
> You're still pissed because your leader fell off his horse?
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80782 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80643] |
Ma, 21 Julie 2003 19:37 |
sorites
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En as jy Steve kritiseer omdat hy "crosspost", hoekom is hierdie
boodskap op soc.culture.zimbabwe? Weet jy nie hoe om 'n nuusgroep uit
die adresse te haal nie?? Bietjie stadig daar, "Speedy?" En nog 'n
vragie, hoekon nie 'n goeie Afrikaanse skuilnaam nie?? Soos "Vinnige
Fanie" of iets? Klink beter, meer Afrikaans, nie waar nie?? Vra maar
net!
"Speedy Gonzales" skryf in boodskap news:gcighv0ooj39mrn20uvg9fq7g6olhdsk3j@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:58:53 GMT, haye...@yahoo.com (Steve Hayes)
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hoor! hoor!
>> One het so baie jare verloor
>> Die jare wat die sprinkane gevreet het.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Hayes
>> http://www.oocities.org/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
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> Ja hayes, selfs die liberales op die ander groep het nie tyd vir jou
> en jou tipe nie. Gehoor wil jy gehoor word, so nou crosspost jy na
> 'n groep wat selfs nog minder tyd vir jou tipe het. Somtyds kyk ek
> watter tipe snert jy en moira kombuismeid skryf. Maar al ek sien net
> neer op julle handhaaf ek steeds die ordentlikheid om by my eie
> nuusgroep te bly.
> Self jou kollegas by jou groep verag jou. Of dink jy dat ons nie sien
> wat gaan by hjulle aan nie? Lê steeds voor hulle voete
> en soek aandag daar. En gaan op 'n dieet. Hier word jy en jou tipe
> verag.
>
> Speedy
>
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80785 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80782] |
Ma, 21 Julie 2003 20:50 |
bouer
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"sorites" wrote in message
Bietjie stadig daar, "Speedy?" En nog 'n
> vragie, hoekon nie 'n goeie Afrikaanse skuilnaam nie?? Soos "Vinnige
> Fanie" of iets? Klink beter, meer Afrikaans, nie waar nie?? Vra maar
> net!
Presies. Dit bewys maar net die feit wat soos 'n paal bo water
staan: hoe meer regs, hoe meer rassisties, hoe meer geneig
is hulle om 'n Engelse skuilnaam te kies vir hulself, en hoe
slegter is hulle Afrikaanse spelling en grammatika.
Tant Hessie van die Algonquins
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80841 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80782] |
Di, 22 Julie 2003 19:09 |
Speedy Gonzales
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:37:29 +0200, "sorites" wrote:
> En as jy Steve kritiseer omdat hy "crosspost", hoekom is hierdie
> boodskap op soc.culture.zimbabwe?
Met opset gedoen, sorites, omdat ek nie weet waarvandaan
die kruisposser crosspost nie. En dan is daar natuurlik 'n
moontlikheid dat hy nie eens die nuusgroep lees nie,
wat dit dan 'n complete waste of paper sou maak.
> Weet jy nie hoe om 'n nuusgroep uit
> die adresse te haal nie??
Maar is jy dan doof "sorites"? Hoor jy dan nie dat ek
dit met opset gedoen het sodat hy dit verseker te lese
kry nie?
> Bietjie stadig daar, "Speedy?"
Aanhalings teken moes vòòr die vraagteken gewees het, "sorites".
> En nog 'n
> vragie, hoekon nie 'n goeie Afrikaanse skuilnaam nie?? Soos "Vinnige
> Fanie" of iets? Klink beter, meer Afrikaans, nie waar nie?? Vra maar
> net!
>
Omdat Speedy Gonzales 'n bynaam is wat ek het sedert 15 jrge ouderdom.
So genoem deur 'n Griekse gesin, wat my steeds so noem, en hulle is
geskei wat die naam selfs verder uitgedra het. 'n Bynaam, nie
skuilnaam nie, maar bynaam, wat ek dekades al genoem word, deur
(nie slegs nie, maar veral) Griekse kennise.
Behalwe daarvoor dat ek drie tale magtig is, mix ek nooit Afrikaans en
Engels nie. Bynaam, het ek gesê, "sorites", en nié skuilnaam nie.
Speedy Gonzales -
the fastest mouse in all Mexico
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80896 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80841] |
Wo, 23 Julie 2003 18:18 |
sorites
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"Speedy Gonzales" skryf in boodskap news:ju1rhvksar905pntd65d24mub0red4dqfp@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:37:29 +0200, "sorites"
> wrote:
>
>> En as jy Steve kritiseer omdat hy "crosspost", hoekom is hierdie boodskap op
>> soc.culture.zimbabwe?
>
> Met opset gedoen, sorites, omdat ek nie weet waarvandaan die kruisposser crosspost nie. En dan is
> daar natuurlik 'n moontlikheid dat hy nie eens die nuusgroep lees nie, wat dit dan 'n complete waste of
> paper sou maak.
Is dit nou wat 'n mens "Two-talig" noem?? O, en moenie dink dat ek
papier mors om briewe uit te druk nie!
>
>> Weet jy nie hoe om 'n nuusgroep uit die adresse te haal nie??
>
> Maar is jy dan doof "sorites"? Hoor jy dan nie dat ek dit met opset gedoen het sodat hy dit verseker te
> lese kry nie?
Ag ja, man, ek is maar 'n bietjie stadig. Maar, gee my asseblief 'n kans
om jou antowoord te lees voordat jy my uitskel dat ek "doof" is.
(Aanhalingstekens in die regte plek, nê?) Ek kan nie jou redes verstaan
nie, maar ek is nou eenmaal nie 'n "Vinnige Fanie" nie!
>> Bietjie stadig daar, "Speedy?"
>
> Aanhalings teken moes vóór die vraagteken gewees het, "sorites".
My magtie, maar jy IS goed met jou taalkennis, is jy nie? Net jammer dat
jou Afrikaans so vrot is, en dat dit nodig is om so baie Engels daarin
te meng. Nou as ek dit sou doen, as 'n Engels sprekende
persoon..........
>> En nog 'n vragie, hoekon nie 'n goeie Afrikaanse skuilnaam nie?? Soos "Vinnige Fanie" of iets? Klink
>> beter, meer Afrikaans, nie waar nie?? Vra maar net!
> Omdat Speedy Gonzales 'n bynaam is wat ek het sedert 15 jrge ouderdom. So genoem deur 'n
> Griekse gesin, wat my steeds so noem, en hulle is geskei wat die naam selfs verder uitgedra het.
> 'n Bynaam, nie skuilnaam nie, maar bynaam, wat ek dekades al genoem word, deur (nie slegs nie,
> maar veral) Griekse kennise.
Ja, jy is definitief korrek! Wys jou net hoe dom Engels sprekende kan
wees as hulle nie die verskil tussen bynaam en skuilnaam weet! Ek het
dit in my 1986 tweetalige woordeboek bevestig - dit beteken inderdaad
verskillende dinge.
> Behalwe daarvoor dat ek drie tale magtig is, mix ek nooit Afrikaans en Engels nie. Bynaam, het ek
> gesê, "sorites", en nié skuilnaam nie.
Maar, nou vertel jy weer stories!!! Hoe kan jy sê jy "mix" nie jou tale
nie, as jy dit soos hierbo dan doen!! Moet dit nie "meng" wees nie?? Vra
maar weer.
>
> Speedy Gonzales - the fastest mouse in all Mexico (But a bit slow in
S. Africa!)
Ek sou nie juis sê dat jy drie tale MAGTIG is nie - jy kan miskien in al
drie 'n bietje kommunikeer, maar magtig wees? Nee, ek is bevrees nie. En
dat Griekse mense jou nou juis Speedy Gonzales moes noem - is jy seker
hulle is nie Meksikane nie??
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80898 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80855] |
Wo, 23 Julie 2003 18:19 |
sorites
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"Steve Hayes" skryf in boodskap news:3f1e0f63.12084971@news.saix.net...
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:09:06 +0200, Speedy Gonzales
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:37:29 +0200, "sorites"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> En as jy Steve kritiseer omdat hy "crosspost", hoekom is hierdie
>>> boodskap op soc.culture.zimbabwe?
>>
>> Met opset gedoen, sorites, omdat ek nie weet waarvandaan
>> die kruisposser crosspost nie. En dan is daar natuurlik 'n
>> moontlikheid dat hy nie eens die nuusgroep lees nie,
>> wat dit dan 'n complete waste of paper sou maak.
>
> Die kruisposser pos seker van nl.politiek uit:
>
>
> http://www.rebellie.org/raaktief_v1.htm
> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname-3_1.doc
>
> English Version:
> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname3Engels.doc
>
> Meningsopname deur die Kulturele Geregtigheid Stigting
>
> Steve Hayes
> http://www.oocities.org/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
Jy bedoel 'n dom Kaaskop??? Nee, Steve, ek dink hulle is 'n bietje
vinniger dan 'n Meksikaanse muis!! :>))
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80923 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80898] |
Do, 24 Julie 2003 09:24 |
Wim Hamhuis
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"sorites" skryf in boodskap news:3f1ee780$0$237@hades.is.co.za...
>
> "Steve Hayes" wrote in message
> news:3f1e0f63.12084971@news.saix.net...
>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:09:06 +0200, Speedy Gonzales
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:37:29 +0200, "sorites"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> En as jy Steve kritiseer omdat hy "crosspost", hoekom is hierdie
>>>> boodskap op soc.culture.zimbabwe?
>>>
>>> Met opset gedoen, sorites, omdat ek nie weet waarvandaan
>>> die kruisposser crosspost nie. En dan is daar natuurlik 'n
>>> moontlikheid dat hy nie eens die nuusgroep lees nie,
>>> wat dit dan 'n complete waste of paper sou maak.
>>
>> Die kruisposser pos seker van nl.politiek uit:
>>
>>
>> http://www.rebellie.org/raaktief_v1.htm
>> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname-3_1.doc
>>
>> English Version:
>> http://www.rebellie.org/Raaktief/Meningsopname3Engels.doc
>>
>> Meningsopname deur die Kulturele Geregtigheid Stigting
>>
>> Steve Hayes
>> http://www.oocities.org/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
>
> Jy bedoel 'n dom Kaaskop??? Nee, Steve, ek dink hulle is 'n bietje
> vinniger dan 'n Meksikaanse muis!! :>))
Kaaskop ? Waarom jy die Nederlanders beledig ? Wij jou toch ook nie beledig
nie ?
En dan maar zeggen dat nederlanders kaaskoppen zijn pfff ze leren het ook
nooit af.
Ga lekker kaas koop in die winkel, jij rekeltjie ;-)
Met die vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hamhuis
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| Re: meningsopname [boodskap #80924 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #80526] |
Do, 24 Julie 2003 09:26 |
Wim Hamhuis
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"j.m. parsons" skryf in boodskap news:bfn526$ojg$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
>
> "jack mehoff" wrote in message
> news:YyPSa.249755$Ho4.1556714@news.easynews.com...
>>
>> "Andries Joubert" wrote in message
>> news:bfaeq7$g1n$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
>>>> From: "Justus Khumalo"
>>>> References:
>>>>
> [snip]
>>
>>
>> Ag shame Andries moenie worry nie. When your family describe you
>> to the the neighbours as being a " little slow" I am sure they mean it in
>> the nicest possible way.
>>
>
> This Joubert / Adoons caricature is probably one of those rare specimens
> belonging to the genus: "boergattium-dutchmania", species: "clutch-platium"
> and sub-species: "plankium".
moenie treur nie, moenie treur nie
want die stellenbosche kerels kom hier ...
(een ou liedjie)
Wim
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