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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:34:03 +0100, Sterrenkijker
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> Geagte Suidwester, Gloudina, Annette, Danielle en Jonas,
>
> Ek sou wou geweet het van julle:
> hoe gaan die oorlog tussen Irak en die U.S.A. begin en eindig?
> Ek dink: die U.S.A. gaan daardie oorlog begin en hulle gaan selfs
> wen..
> Maar uiteindelik gaan die Amerikane die gevoel kry dat hulle hulle eie
> het vasgery in die sand..
> Ek kan dit weet. Ek het nooit in Irak self gewees nie, maar ek het
> verskeie kere in Koeweit gewees en dis net soos Irak: 'n klomp sand!
> Dis daarom dat die Europese nasies soos Frankryk, Duitsland en straks
> ook Engeland die oorlog daar nie wil begin nie: hulle wil hulle eie
> daar nie belaglik maak nie!..
>
> Die groete vanweë
>
> Norbert (uit Vlaandere)

Is die oorlog in Afghanistan oor?

Wat beteken "oor" ?

Is die oorlog "oor" as CNN ophou om daaroor te berig?

In Afghanistan lyk dit of Karzai net in Kabul kan regeer - en net
totdat die Amerikaanse en Britse troepe om hom padgee.

Volgens berigte is omtrent die hele land buite Kabul in chaos en begin
"warlords" stadig maar seker beheer vestig met 'n sterk een -
Hekmatyar - wat dit wat van die Taliban en Al Kaida oorgebly het,
agter hom skaar.

Hoe lank gaan die VSA en Brittanje aandag en geld in Afghanistan
inpomp?

Wat gaan gebeur as hulle besluit genoeg is genoeg en hulle onttrek?

Wanneer is 'n oorlog "oor" ?

Vat ons eie geskiedenis. Was die Anglo Boere-oorlog in 1901 oor?
Klaar, oor en gedaan. Nie meer 'n faktor nie?

Daar is klaarblyklik drie groot etniese groepe in Irak. Die Koerde wat
nie alleen 'n gebied in die noorde van Irak beset nie, maar ook die
suidelike deel van Turkye. Turkye soek by die Yanks versekering dat
daar geen Koerdiese tuisland sal wees nie dan want gaan hulle
waarskynlik etniese opstande in hul reeds onrustige suide he. Die
Yanks, aan die ander kant, maak baie propaganda met die "vryheid van
die Kurde".
Dan is daar die Sunni-Muslims in die middel van Irak. Saddam is glo
van hulle afkomstig, hoewel hy glo eintlik 'n ateis is.
IN die suide is daar 'n klomp Shia-Muslims. Dis die Muslim-variasie
wat baie fundamentalisties is. Hulle hou nie juis van die gematigde
Sunnis nie (soos die Doppers nie die Katolieke kan vat nie, lyk dit
my) en die Shia's verag die Sunni's se verWesterse gewoontes.
Die Shia's is natuurlik langs Iran wat 'n Shia-staat is en weet hy is
ook op die Yanks se "hate list" as deel van die "axis of evil".

Die oorlog gou verby? No ways.
Die bombardamente (en elke bom wat bars gaan 'n stuk anti-Amerikaanse
propaganda wees) gaan waarskynlik langer wees as die gevegte (wat gou
oor sal wees).

Maar wat dan?

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July 4, 2002

Al Qaeda courting warlord, officials say
Afghan said to have money, following
By ELIZABETH NEUFFER, Globe Staff

KABUL, Afghanistan - Al Qaeda leaders have been meeting with rogue
Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, seeking to form an alliance with
the Islamic militant who recently threatened a holy war against US and
British forces operating in Afghanistan, American and Afghan officials
say.

A senior Afghan military source said that Hekmatyar has met repeatedly
within the past two months with Osama bin Laden, the Al Qaeda leader,
and Mullah Omar, the fugitive former Taliban leader. The military
official said bin Laden and Omar are now thought to be hiding in the
Tirah region of Kurram, a semiautonomous tribal area within Pakistan's
northwest provinces, from which they travel back and forth to
Afghanistan. Other Afghan officials have said recently that bin Laden
and Omar are in Afghanistan.

A US official, confirming that Hekmatyar has been meeting with Al
Qaeda leaders, said discussions appear to be largely strategic,
focusing on ''common targets, sharing supplies, getting information.''

Al Haj Hazarat Ali, the Afghan commander of the 1st Division in
Nangarhar, an eastern province on the Pakistan border, also said
Hekmatyar is involved with the fugitive Afghans. ''He [Hekmatyar] is
most definitely working with Al Qaeda and Taliban. They are supporting
him.''

An alliance with Hekmatyar, who still has some loyal troops in
Afghanistan as well as access to money and supplies, could bolster
attempts by remaining Al Qaeda fighters to reorganize themselves in
Afghan territory. Many of them are believed to have fled across
Afghanistan's border into the lawless tribal area of Pakistan.
Hekmatyar, once strongly supported by the US government, has since
turned against Washington and the interim Afghan administration and
could prove a formidable threat given his resources and knowledge of
the country.

Yet Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf recently denied that
Osama bin Laden, if he is alive, is in Pakistan. ''He cannot be in
Pakistan since he must be moving with a large entourage to defend
himself, and he cannot hide in Pakistan's border areas,'' Musharraf
told reporters Monday.

That Pakistan is worried about Al Qaeda militia in the tribal areas,
however, is now clear following two recent clashes. In a clear shift
in the hunt for Al Qaeda members, Pakistan's military last week
launched a raid in the tribal area of Southern Waziristan, along the
Afghan border. Ten Pakistani soldiers were killed when they met
unexpected resistance from suspected Al Qaeda militia. At least one Al
Qaeda agent was captured, according to Pakistani government officials.
Several others were killed, but dozens escaped and are still the focus
of a manhunt.

Yesterday, a gunbattle at a security checkpoint near Kohat, about 40
miles southwest of Peshawar in eastern Pakistan, killed four Al Qaeda
suspects and three Pakistani officials. After the shootout,
authorities found explosives in the suspects' van and said they may
have been planning a terror attack. Pakistani officials said the Al
Qaeda suspects were coming from the area where the earlier battle
occurred.

The two skirmishes, the first between Pakistani forces and Al Qaeda,
may have underscored the depth of the outlaws' resistance as well as
their strength in numbers. Some US estimates say as many as 1,000 Al
Qaeda fighters may be hiding in Pakistan's tribal areas.

Pakistan ''appears not to have fully appreciated the strength of the
Al Qaeda forces they were facing,'' said one Western observer in
Islamabad. ''They themselves are now taking more seriously the
potential strength of Al Qaeda who may have infiltrated the tribal
areas.''

The tribal areas, semiautonomous regions with their own local tribal
government, are a good place for Al Qaeda to hide. The rugged areas
are populated with staunchly independent, and often highly religious,
ethnic Pashtun tribesmen, among whom Al Qaeda may find a sympathetic
audience.

Hekmatyar would make a strong partner. He is a conservative Pashtun
with strong ties to Pakistan and a long and bloody history in
Afghanistan. He is best remembered for having hurled thousands of
rockets at Kabul, pummeling the capital to rubble during Afghanistan's
civil war.

Hekmatyar, who returned to Afghanistan earlier this year after several
years of exile in Iran, promptly announced his opposition to
Afghanistan's then-interim government. In a handwritten letter
circulated to followers in Afganistan and Pakistan in late May and
obtained by the Associated Press, he called upon ''all believers to be
united'' in waging war against American and British forces in
Afghanistan.

He was considered enough of a threat earlier that month that an
unmanned US Predator drone aircraft fired a missile at him in an
apparent CIA attack. The missile missed.

It remains unclear how many men Hekmatyar, once one of Afghanistan's
most powerful warlords, still commands. Some number his followers
between 1,000 and 2,000.

But those who know Hekmatyar say he will have cash to lure recruits.
Hekmatyar received thousands of dollars in aid both from the United
States and Pakistan in the early years of the Afghan war against the
Soviets, and not all of it was spent on fighting.

''Hekmatyar had more money than anyone, and he thought about the
future,'' said Haji Abdul Zahir, a mujhadeen fighter who is now in
charge of Afghanistan's eastern border. ''He invested it in business,
and he saved it.''

It is unclear where Hekmatyar has found sanctuary. Some have suggested
Kunar province, north of Jalalabad along the Pakistan border. But US
soldiers have been scouring that region in recent days, and Afghan
fighters say Hekmatyar has far too many enemies in Kunar to find
safety there.

Other reports have placed Hekmatyar, who has a strong following among
Afghanistan's Pashtun community, operating to the south and east of
Kandahar, a former Taliban stronghold.

Hekmatyar's apparent allegiance with the remnants of Al Qaeda is no
surprise to Afghanistan's transitional government officials, who
remember the days of his shifting alliances. In 1992, Hekmatyar, then
Afghan prime minister, began bitterly fighting with his then-defense
minister, Ahmad Shah Masood. They made peace in 1996, but the Taliban
soon seized power. Masood stayed on to fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda
but was assassinated last fall - allegedly by fighters loyal to bin
Laden - while Hekmatyar fled to Iran.

Now, having declared his opposition to Afghanistan's current
government, Hekmatyar is by definition an Al Qaeda ally, government
officials say.

''Anybody who is opposing the government is with Al Qaeda and the
Taliban,'' said the foreign minister, Abdullah Abdullah. ''This is a
government for all Afghans.''

This story ran on page A1 of the Boston Globe on 7/4/2002.
Â© Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company.