| Re: Level of education influences level of understanding - Mugabe in fact an idiot [boodskap #66052] |
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Annette
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Andries, ek stem saam met alles wat jy te antwoord gehad het - maar probeer
om jou antwoord te beperk tot jou nuusgroep waaraan jy meestal deelneem.
Ons verkies hier om ons argumente in Afrikaans te besleg.
Ek kruispos hierdie gedwonge omdat die privaatposding nie werk nie.
Annette
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"Andrew" skryf in boodskap news:al9u9k$1cic$1@news.adamastor.ac.za...
>
> I. Hate Telkom wrote in message
> news:3d771bc8.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> This is more of an observation than a point of discussion. Many people who
>> participate in public debate (be it on this newsgroup or outside) forget
>> that the level of education of the person you debate with drastically
>> affects his understanding of the world.
>
> People with the same level of education have drastically different views of
> the world
> as well.
>
>> Mugabe is not an educated man.
>
> Not?
>
>> In
>> fact many of his African compatriots in leadership positions are not well
>> educated. They come to stupid conlsusion on topics important to Africa and
>> think of even more rediculous solutions to their problems. He honestly
>> believes he is right.
>
> This can be said of anybody, not only africans.
>
>> But he has not had enough solid education and moral
>> upbringing to bring forth anything fruitful for the people of Zimbabwe.
>
> Adressing the land issue in Zimbabwe is an important step. It is only
> his methods with which most have a problem.
>
>> Africa at the moment has a very weak social structure. It does not thrive on
>> excellence. It is rather mediocre in it approach to life and its poor
>> leadership is a result of that.
>>
>> I am slowly losing confidence in South Africa's ability to weather the storm
>> under the leadership of the ANC.
>
> As opposed to the successes of the NP goverment?
>
>> They are still riding high on the wave of
>> honor after the fall of Apartheid and because of that their shortcommings
>> are excused.
>
> And their strong points are ignored.
> The economic policy's is very strong and given the current global econimic
> recession
> we are doing very well. Internationally we exert way more influence then a
> country
> of our status and size would normally do. etc.etc.etc.
>
>> I don't know if anybody noticed, but this country is standing
>> still.
>
> I thought we have positive economic growth now, and negative growth
> during the previous goverment.
>
>> We have millions of people who are hungry and thristy but the
>> government does not have a program in place where these people are duly
>> educated and uplifted to become productive members of society.
>> Instead the
>> masses get free heatlhcare, water and to a large extent food. They are not
>> able to pay taxes and thus is reliant on the state for everything.
>
> If they are given free food how can these millions be starving? And you can
> only rely on yourself for anything if you pay taxes? Isn't there a lower tax
> limit
> in this country? And isnt the big health scandal in this country that it
> does not
> want to give free healthcare (ala Neverapine?) And isnt Municipalitys
> shutting
> of water to users who do not pay in the townships?
>
>> The
>> hickup comes when you analise the social behaviour of poor people in the
>> African context.
>
> Meaning you will now say as to how it differs from poor people in other
> parts
> of the world?
>
>> This text is not politically correct, but as is usually
>> case anything that is said politically correct cannot be a step in the
>> direction of solving the problems of this world. What I am saying is not PC,
>> but logical.
>
> Saying your logical, thinking your logical and being logical is not the same
> thing.
> PC does not imply logical but this does not mean that Not-PC implies logical
> argument either.
>
>>
>> When the state gives everything the poor people need without requiring the
>> poor to meet the government halfway with a non monetary response, then there
>> is the problem that the poor simply procreate. It is a classic situation
>> around the world.
>
> Yes it is. Prime examples of this is found in that socially unsound
> continent of europe,
> where a continental welfare state has been created. The goverments just give
> and the
> people just take! Disgusting!
>
>> The poor are the slice of sociaty with the highest growth
>> rate in terms of numbers. The wealthy replace themselves and the poor create
>> company to share in the misery. This is however not something that you can
>> expect to bring to the attention of the poor and think that it will solve
>> the problem.
>
> Maybe supplying free healthcare to these people as well might help? If your
> poor
> you usually cant afford the medicine not to have children.
>
>> The people who do have the knowledge have a duty to expect the
>> poor of this world to be educated in return for food and shelter. It must be
>> the most basic criteria before food and shelter is given.
>
> Wait. Are you saying that the poor should be educated and in return they
> should give food
> and shelter? Or are you saying they should be educated before you feed and
> protect them from the
> elements? Ever try to teach someone to do a triple integral when he hasn't
> eaten in three days and his
> shack is flooded?
>
>> By just giving and
>> giving (Africa a good example because of the low levels of education among
>> both the ordinary civilians and the leadership who are frankly idiots) you
>> exacerbate the problem and this issue needs to be addressed.
>
> Oh, yes. I forgot. Colonialisism was all about giving. Apartheid was all
> about giving. We
> devinitely need to address this issue. Work those natives harder! And how is
> africa a good example of giving?, and what
> has a low level of education of the ordinary 'civilian' (as opposed to
> military personel?) got to
> do with this? And if the leaders are idiots how do you expect them to get an
> education in the first
> place? And if they are idiots, why are they all multimillionares? Exacabate
> what problem? and what issue
> need adressing, the problem, or the giving?
>
>> Africa is a
>> problem child of the world and it is not capable of helping itself. It's
>> leaders may say otherwise, but the truth is, they can't.
>
> Then maybe its the problem child BECAUSE it is not capable of helping
> itself.
> [Hahaha, sorry, couldnt help myself there]. So now the leaders cant speak?!
>
>>
>> What Africa needs is a good kick in the backside and forced education. If
>> there is No education, then there is NO FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> As to youre "logical" arguments, theres a saying:
> "if it rains in spain, does that mean spain can rain?". ;-)
>
> Education is critical in not only economic growth but also the growth of
> society. But
> this is not the only issue.
>
> Andrew
>
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| Re: Level of education influences level of understanding - Mugabe in fact an idiot [boodskap #66681 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #66052] |
Di, 24 September 2002 13:01  |
Oom Gert die \"d
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Why do you think he is better educated? I somehow doubt that. But I will go
and have a look.
Cheers
"Steve Hayes" skryf in boodskap news:3d77bb21.24937390@news.saix.net...
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:40:44 +0200, "I. Hate Telkom"
> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> This is more of an observation than a point of discussion. Many people who
>> participate in public debate (be it on this newsgroup or outside) forget
>> that the level of education of the person you debate with drastically
>> affects his understanding of the world. Mugabe is not an educated man. In
>> fact many of his African compatriots in leadership positions are not well
>> educated. They come to stupid conlsusion on topics important to Africa and
>> think of even more rediculous solutions to their problems. He honestly
>> believes he is right. But he has not had enough solid education and moral
>> upbringing to bring forth anything fruitful for the people of Zimbabwe.
>> Africa at the moment has a very weak social structure. It does not thrive on
>> excellence. It is rather mediocre in it approach to life and its poor
>> leadership is a result of that.
>
> I think Mugabe is a lot better educated than George Bush.
>
> But both manage to have crappy policies.
>
> Steve Hayes
> http://www.oocities.org/Athens/7734/steve.htm
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