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Frikkie Potgieter
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Davie, die ander dag is jy aangeval oor `n brief wat min of meer oor
dieselfde onderwerp gegaan het.
Wonder nou maar net wat hiervan gesê gaan word, of ook maar weer seker een
wat ek sommer saamgestel het.
Groete
Frikkie
Ek seg ook dan nou maar JAMMER, dis INGELS.....
O Ja, vir julle dosies wat twyfel, hier is die webadres...
http://www.mg.co.za/mg/za/news.html#apartheid
'Apartheid was better than this'
CHRIS MCGREAL, Johannesburg | Friday
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HENRIETTA Mqokomiso knew what was coming. Alexandra township council served
the demolition order a week ago and branded her house with three yellow
crosses.
On Monday, while the domestic worker was working, an official banged on the
door and told her children that a crew would be around the next day to pull
down their home.
At dawn on Tuesday Mqokomiso (50) said she could not believe that the
government that liberated her from apartheid would destroy her home of 12
years and dump her on a piece of barren land. That was too much like the
days of forced removals.
But several hours later her house stood in ruins and she was left miles away
with nothing more than a few pieces of corrugated iron and told to build a
new home.
"This is the worst day of my life," she said. "I don't mind moving, but they
must give me another house. That is what is driving my head crazy - to go to
a shack. We're going to use paraffin in a shack and I've got electricity in
my house. I've got water and a toilet. I won't have that in a shack.
"Apartheid was better than this."
In recent months thousands of people have seen their homes demolished in
Alexandra, Johannesburg's oldest township. At first the government targeted
squatters and justified the destruction as a life-saving measure to remove
shacks from the banks of the Jukskei river after it tested positive for
cholera.
But there were no cases of the disease, and the authorities are now
condemning ordinary, well-built but technically illegal homes such as
Mqokomiso's. They say it is part of a project to upgrade the township.
Mqokomiso built her house in 1988, during the apartheid years when it was
almost impossible to obtain permission to build legally.
Over the years her yellow house swelled from its original one room to four.
The bathroom was brought inside. Running water, a prepaid electricity meter
and a phone were added.
"I built this house. I built it with my money and they are coming today to
break this house and not give me anything. Where do they expect us to live?
Outside? In the street?"
At 7.40am the wreckers' lorries and bulldozer arrived. The demolition crews
are widely scorned as the Red Ants for their bright boiler suits. Most carry
crowbars. Some have shields. A few wield pump-action shotguns after violence
against earlier removals.
With military-style precision they sealed off both ends of the street. The
Red Ants descended on the first house. They are well practised, and what
differences there are with apartheid's forced removals are apparent. They
generally speak kindly to the occupants and carefully lift their belongings
into the street and on to the lorry.
The wrecking crew swarms over the roof, lifting the corrugated iron. The men
break the walls around the windows and lever out the frames without so much
as cracking the glass. All of this will go with the owners to wherever they
are sent. And then the bulldozer moves in and pounds the house to nothing.
While Mqokomiso awaits her turn, she agonises over where she will be sent.
Her best hope is Extension 7 on the other side of Alexandra. Not only is it
close by, but there is a fair chance of getting a new house in the coming
months.
What Mqokomiso most fears is ending up in Diepsloot, a new township and
squatter camp 40km from Alexandra. She has never been there but has heard
the stories of overcrowding, waterlogged land and no basic services.
Mqokomiso grabs the first official to pass her door. Does he know where
she's going? Extension 7, he replies.
But later the sheriff says she is not on the list for anywhere, which means
she automatically ends up in Diepsloot. Mqokomiso cannot believe it. The
sheriff is wearily sympathetic.
"I'm sorry my darling. There's nothing I can do," he says.
Diepsloot, Mqokomiso says, will be a disaster. It is miles from her job and
she cares for two teenage nieces and an eight-year-old grandchild. They will
have to be pulled out of their schools because the bus fares alone from
Diepsloot would eat up most of her R1 300 a month pay.
It is 11am before the Red Ants get around to Mqokomiso's home. By then all
her belongings are piled into two dozen rubbish bags in the street, with the
television on top of the microwave kept under careful watch.
Mqokomiso watches much of her home destroyed but does not care to stay for
the bulldozer's work. Her belongings fill half a lorry which takes an hour
to grind its way to Diepsloot before pulling to a halt on a crowded muddy
street pinned in with shacks on either side.
She was led between the shacks to a tiny patch of empty land - no more than
20 square metres - and told that this was her new home. The council provided
nine poles and 10 pieces of corrugated iron for her to build a shack.
"It's worse than I thought. There's no water, there's not even a toilet.
There's not enough room to fit in all my things. Look at this soil. It's
wet. It'll be flooded in the rains," she said.
After protests, she is led to another, larger patch of ground. This one at
least has a raised concrete base. The existing residents gather around and
say she is not welcome.
Mqokomiso wants to flee but she cannot abandon her belongings.
"For this we blame the [African National Congres]. They were supposed to
build the houses first and then move us. How could they move us with no
houses?" she asks.
But there are more pressing concerns. "We have to start to build now. We
need somewhere to sleep tonight and it's going to be cold."
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| Re: Davie Davis [boodskap #44924 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #44917] |
So, 24 Junie 2001 13:37  |
Frikkie Potgieter
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Ja Davie, ek het so voorspel en dit get toe gebeur...
Die M8 het op die meeste briewe geantwoord, maar op hierdie een hou sy nou
maar haar bek want dit is die waarheid.
So ignoreer sy maar alles wat nie in haar sak pas nie.
Weereens `n bewys dat sy geselskap soek by `n Nasie waar sy nog nooit kon
inpas nie en haar nou maar met behulp van die politiek wat aan haar kant is
wil inwurm...
Frikkie Potgieter skryf in boodskap news:9h4cav$qhs$1@ctb-nnrp1.saix.net...
> Davie, die ander dag is jy aangeval oor `n brief wat min of meer oor
> dieselfde onderwerp gegaan het.
> Wonder nou maar net wat hiervan gesê gaan word, of ook maar weer seker een
> wat ek sommer saamgestel het.
>
> Groete
> Frikkie
>
> Ek seg ook dan nou maar JAMMER, dis INGELS.....
> O Ja, vir julle dosies wat twyfel, hier is die webadres...
> http://www.mg.co.za/mg/za/news.html#apartheid
>
> 'Apartheid was better than this'
> CHRIS MCGREAL, Johannesburg | Friday
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- --
> ----
> HENRIETTA Mqokomiso knew what was coming. Alexandra township council served
> the demolition order a week ago and branded her house with three yellow
> crosses.
> On Monday, while the domestic worker was working, an official banged on the
> door and told her children that a crew would be around the next day to pull
> down their home.
> At dawn on Tuesday Mqokomiso (50) said she could not believe that the
> government that liberated her from apartheid would destroy her home of 12
> years and dump her on a piece of barren land. That was too much like the
> days of forced removals.
> But several hours later her house stood in ruins and she was left miles away
> with nothing more than a few pieces of corrugated iron and told to build a
> new home.
> "This is the worst day of my life," she said. "I don't mind moving, but they
> must give me another house. That is what is driving my head crazy - to go to
> a shack. We're going to use paraffin in a shack and I've got electricity in
> my house. I've got water and a toilet. I won't have that in a shack.
> "Apartheid was better than this."
> In recent months thousands of people have seen their homes demolished in
> Alexandra, Johannesburg's oldest township. At first the government targeted
> squatters and justified the destruction as a life-saving measure to remove
> shacks from the banks of the Jukskei river after it tested positive for
> cholera.
> But there were no cases of the disease, and the authorities are now
> condemning ordinary, well-built but technically illegal homes such as
> Mqokomiso's. They say it is part of a project to upgrade the township.
> Mqokomiso built her house in 1988, during the apartheid years when it was
> almost impossible to obtain permission to build legally.
> Over the years her yellow house swelled from its original one room to four.
> The bathroom was brought inside. Running water, a prepaid electricity meter
> and a phone were added.
> "I built this house. I built it with my money and they are coming today to
> break this house and not give me anything. Where do they expect us to live?
> Outside? In the street?"
> At 7.40am the wreckers' lorries and bulldozer arrived. The demolition crews
> are widely scorned as the Red Ants for their bright boiler suits. Most carry
> crowbars. Some have shields. A few wield pump-action shotguns after violence
> against earlier removals.
> With military-style precision they sealed off both ends of the street. The
> Red Ants descended on the first house. They are well practised, and what
> differences there are with apartheid's forced removals are apparent. They
> generally speak kindly to the occupants and carefully lift their belongings
> into the street and on to the lorry.
> The wrecking crew swarms over the roof, lifting the corrugated iron. The men
> break the walls around the windows and lever out the frames without so much
> as cracking the glass. All of this will go with the owners to wherever they
> are sent. And then the bulldozer moves in and pounds the house to nothing.
> While Mqokomiso awaits her turn, she agonises over where she will be sent.
> Her best hope is Extension 7 on the other side of Alexandra. Not only is it
> close by, but there is a fair chance of getting a new house in the coming
> months.
> What Mqokomiso most fears is ending up in Diepsloot, a new township and
> squatter camp 40km from Alexandra. She has never been there but has heard
> the stories of overcrowding, waterlogged land and no basic services.
> Mqokomiso grabs the first official to pass her door. Does he know where
> she's going? Extension 7, he replies.
> But later the sheriff says she is not on the list for anywhere, which means
> she automatically ends up in Diepsloot. Mqokomiso cannot believe it. The
> sheriff is wearily sympathetic.
> "I'm sorry my darling. There's nothing I can do," he says.
> Diepsloot, Mqokomiso says, will be a disaster. It is miles from her job and
> she cares for two teenage nieces and an eight-year-old grandchild. They will
> have to be pulled out of their schools because the bus fares alone from
> Diepsloot would eat up most of her R1 300 a month pay.
> It is 11am before the Red Ants get around to Mqokomiso's home. By then all
> her belongings are piled into two dozen rubbish bags in the street, with the
> television on top of the microwave kept under careful watch.
> Mqokomiso watches much of her home destroyed but does not care to stay for
> the bulldozer's work. Her belongings fill half a lorry which takes an hour
> to grind its way to Diepsloot before pulling to a halt on a crowded muddy
> street pinned in with shacks on either side.
> She was led between the shacks to a tiny patch of empty land - no more than
> 20 square metres - and told that this was her new home. The council provided
> nine poles and 10 pieces of corrugated iron for her to build a shack.
> "It's worse than I thought. There's no water, there's not even a toilet.
> There's not enough room to fit in all my things. Look at this soil. It's
> wet. It'll be flooded in the rains," she said.
> After protests, she is led to another, larger patch of ground. This one at
> least has a raised concrete base. The existing residents gather around and
> say she is not welcome.
> Mqokomiso wants to flee but she cannot abandon her belongings.
> "For this we blame the [African National Congres]. They were supposed to
> build the houses first and then move us. How could they move us with no
> houses?" she asks.
> But there are more pressing concerns. "We have to start to build now. We
> need somewhere to sleep tonight and it's going to be cold."
>
>
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| Re: Davie Davis [boodskap #44925 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #44924] |
So, 24 Junie 2001 14:33 |
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Frikkie Potgieter wrote:
> Ja Davie, ek het so voorspel en dit get toe gebeur...
> Die M8 het op die meeste briewe geantwoord, maar op hierdie een hou sy nou
> maar haar bek want dit is die waarheid.
> So ignoreer sy maar alles wat nie in haar sak pas nie.
> Weereens `n bewys dat sy geselskap soek by `n Nasie waar sy nog nooit kon
> inpas nie en haar nou maar met behulp van die politiek wat aan haar kant is
> wil inwurm...
>
Luister, ou Frikkie en ou Davie, julle van die "dinge-gedurende-
die-apartheidsdae-was-beter" falanks, hoekom gaan julle nie weer
terug na daardie swart vrou en vra haar of sy wil teruggaan na die
"goeie ou dae" nie, en jy sal gou op jou plek gesit word. Dis
natuurlik behoorlik dat sy protesteer, maar ek neem aan dat daardie
verskuiwings plaasgevind het omdat daar in die eerste plek gevrees
was dat sekere dele besmet was met cholera. Die Johannesburgse
munisipaliteit het 'n geweldige probleem op hulle hande, net soos
baie ander wereldstede 'n probleem het. Was jy al ooit in New York
se Lower East Side? En dink jy as hulle vir cholera vrees, dat hulle
nie ook in ander dele van die wereld mense wat in die eerste plek
onwettig op 'n stuk grond bly, sal verskuif nie?
Gloudina
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| Re: Davie Davis [boodskap #44928 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #44917] |
So, 24 Junie 2001 14:49 |
Frikkie Potgieter
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Haha, ou Davie, nou is jy ook sommer weer in die ding deur my posting
jong...
Ek kan in elk geval nie uitmaak wat die M8 sê of probeer sê nie....
skryf in boodskap news:3B35FAF9.22F84409@home.com...
> Frikkie Potgieter wrote:
>
>> Ja Davie, ek het so voorspel en dit get toe gebeur...
>> Die M8 het op die meeste briewe geantwoord, maar op hierdie een hou sy nou
>> maar haar bek want dit is die waarheid.
>> So ignoreer sy maar alles wat nie in haar sak pas nie.
>> Weereens `n bewys dat sy geselskap soek by `n Nasie waar sy nog nooit kon
>> inpas nie en haar nou maar met behulp van die politiek wat aan haar kant is
>> wil inwurm...
>>
>
> Luister, ou Frikkie en ou Davie, julle van die "dinge-gedurende-
> die-apartheidsdae-was-beter" falanks, hoekom gaan julle nie weer
> terug na daardie swart vrou en vra haar of sy wil teruggaan na die
> "goeie ou dae" nie, en jy sal gou op jou plek gesit word. Dis
> natuurlik behoorlik dat sy protesteer, maar ek neem aan dat daardie
> verskuiwings plaasgevind het omdat daar in die eerste plek gevrees
> was dat sekere dele besmet was met cholera. Die Johannesburgse
> munisipaliteit het 'n geweldige probleem op hulle hande, net soos
> baie ander wereldstede 'n probleem het. Was jy al ooit in New York
> se Lower East Side? En dink jy as hulle vir cholera vrees, dat hulle
> nie ook in ander dele van die wereld mense wat in die eerste plek
> onwettig op 'n stuk grond bly, sal verskuif nie?
>
> Gloudina
>
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| Re: Davie Davis [boodskap #44940 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #44917] |
So, 24 Junie 2001 15:46 |
Davie Davis
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 11:34:28 +0200, "Frikkie Potgieter"
wrote:
> Davie, die ander dag is jy aangeval oor `n brief wat min of meer oor
> dieselfde onderwerp gegaan het.
Dink nou net daaraan Frikkie, (en dit is nie moedswillig nie) dat ek
nooit jou M8 geantwoord het op haar vraag wie die skrywer van die
geplaaste brief 'A Concerned Father' is nie. Ek weet nie maar dit
is deur 'n skrywer in die huidige uitgawe van ons wykskoerant (maw die
koerant wat op dié oomblik te koop is in die kafees.
Frikkie, na aanleiding van die feit dat Gloudina honend vra dat jy die
Potgieter stamboom moet nagaan, vra aan haar om jou meer te vertel van
Gert Rykheer.
DD
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| Re: Davie Davis [boodskap #44946 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #44940] |
So, 24 Junie 2001 17:02 |
Frikkie Potgieter
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Hi daar,
Ek ken die fokkers nie en glo my stel ook NIKS daarin belang om meer van
hulle uit te vind of te weet nie. Seker dit is een of ander baster daar uit
die Kaapse vlaktes.. Weet werklik nie...
Nou ja, van die Potgieters gepraat, stel ook niks daarin belang om uit te
vind watter slegte Potgieters het waar gepomp of gekuier nie, indien wel...
Ek weet dat van die hotnots destyds as hulle by `n gesin gewerk het sommer
die Van aangeneem het en so daarmee grootgeword het, so stel ook nie verder
belang nie.
Ek het net een plig vandag en dit is om na my gesin, mede Boere ens. en om
my kinders groot te maak na die beste van my vermoë en in `n Christelike
huis, nie kerk nie, en om SUIWER te bly en te glo aan egtheid (TROTS).
V�rder moet ek omsien na hulle veiligheid en sorg dat hulle elke aand met
vol magies en in warm bedjies kan slaap, en taffies vir die fokkers wat nie
self daarvoor kan voorsien nie en bv. as daar `n Boer `n swarte vermoor, let
op... Die eerste wat gedoen word is daar word gepraat van `n insameling en /
of een of ander fonds wat gestig moet word. Niks word gevoel vir die dooie
een nie, nee hulle sien note kom en so terloops sommer ook `n lekker dans
byeenkoms. Kyk maar hoe dans en toy toy van hulle voor `n begrafnis ens...
Davie Davis skryf in boodskap news:c02cjt815j8j4sdd0f8mht3p8u315uo426@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 11:34:28 +0200, "Frikkie Potgieter"
> wrote:
>
>> Davie, die ander dag is jy aangeval oor `n brief wat min of meer oor
>> dieselfde onderwerp gegaan het.
>
>
> Dink nou net daaraan Frikkie, (en dit is nie moedswillig nie) dat ek
> nooit jou M8 geantwoord het op haar vraag wie die skrywer van die
> geplaaste brief 'A Concerned Father' is nie. Ek weet nie maar dit
> is deur 'n skrywer in die huidige uitgawe van ons wykskoerant (maw die
> koerant wat op dié oomblik te koop is in die kafees.
>
> Frikkie, na aanleiding van die feit dat Gloudina honend vra dat jy die
> Potgieter stamboom moet nagaan, vra aan haar om jou meer te vertel van
> Gert Rykheer.
>
> DD
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