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Die wêreld het dubbel standaarde. Dit weet ons almal. Hoe is die vir 'n
dubbel standaard? Die swart mense in Suid Afrika is beter af as in enige
ander land in Afrika, en tog word die wit mense hier wat hulle (onder
toegekende verkeerde omstandighede) daai beter lewe gegee het. Dit is dwaas
vir enige persoon van enige ras om dit te ontken dat Suid Afrika enigsins
anders sou gewees het as Apartheid nie bestaan het nie. Ja, dit is nie die
regte manier nie, en van al die maniere wat die wit mense gehad het om die
land te bou was apartheid die slegste een, maar die land het steeds vooruit
gegaan.
Die swart mense hier dink dat hulle ook almal huise sou gehad het en BMW's
gery het en alles gehad het wat wit mense het as hulle nie Apartheid gehad
het nie, maar dit is ongelukkig 'n hersenskim.
Suid Afrika se swart mense (die wat eerlik genoeg is) moet erken dat SA net
soos die res van Afrika sou gelyk het as dit nie vir die wit mense hier was
nie. Die wêreld politici sal dit nie erken nie, omdat dit nie in hul "best
interests" is om sulke waarhede kwyt te raak nie.
Ek sê wat ek nog altyd sê, die probleem in Afrika is kultuur.
Om te antwoord op die plasing van @sympatico in die nuusgroep. Suid Afrika
word geregeer volgens afrika kultuur wat net een rigting gaan en dit is na
sy moses. Ongelukkig het die sogenaamde oorwinning oor Apartheid, die swart
politici met 'n false sin van eie waarde toegerus wat hulle nie die
dwaasheid wat in hul kultuur gesetel is laat sien nie. Om aan ou anti
apartheid ondersteuners hulde te bring kry voorkeur bo helder denke. Mbeki
en kie dink nie eens daaraan dat Castro en sy makkers die anti Apartheid
"struggle" geondersteun het vir baie meer selfsugtige redes as wat Mbeki se
klein breintjie in staat is om te besef.
Dit sal moeilik wees om daardie lojaliteits regering van ons oor te skakel
na 'n meriete gebaseerde een. Dit kan darm tot 'n groot mate van die
Apartheids regering gesê word.
Afrika wil homself alles toe eien wat die wit mense hier bou omdat die swart
mense glo ons onderdruk hulle. Dit is nog altyd hulle denkwyse. Hulle sien
die mense van Europa gaan vooruit en sonder om introspeksie te doen blameer
hulle die wit mense van onderdrukking en diskriminasie. Die waarheid is
egter dat hulle eie kultuur nie groei toelaat nie. Daardie aanpassing het
hulle nog nie gemaak op die skaal wat nodig is vir vooruitgang nie. Enkeles
het, maar die meerderheid nie.
Swart mense wereldwyd word nie verdruk nie, hulle word net eenvoudig
klokslag verby gevat as gevolg van hul kultuur.
Dis jammer, maar waar.
Ons sal nog baie van die soort goete sien waar ons dom regering die
verkeerde kant van die draad wil help ter vergoeding vir die struggle
ondersteuning. Dit kos ons egter baie punte in die internasionale wêreld en
gelukkig vir ons wit mense maak dit die wêreld se oë oop oor wat werklik
hier aangaan.
Hou so aan Mbeki. Gaan aan met daai dom dinge. Ondersteun maar vir Qaddafi
wat wil hê die wit mense moet uit Afrika gedryf word. Sit ons seblief toggie
op 'n vliegtuig na Europa of Australie sodat ons tog net almal
vlugtelingstatus kan kry en kan werk in 'n plek waar die meerderheid mense
wel vooruit wil gaan.
Ons wag in spanning vir daai plan om in werking gestel te word. Soveel wit
mense hier sal die land verlaat as hulle maar net kon. As die swart mense
ons dwing, des te beter.
"Go for it, I dare you!"
;o)
Logic
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From: ricardo a gonzalez
Subject: South Africa and Castro's apartheid
Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:12 AM
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Published Wednesday, April 25, 2001
FRANK CALZON South Africa and Castro's apartheid
Sovereignty cannot be used to excuse cruelties.
South Africa sided with Russia, China, Syria, Vietnam, Algiers, Saudi Arabia
and Cuba recently in an unsuccessful effort against a resolution criticizing
Fidel Castro's abysmal human-rights record. The vote took place at the
United Nations Commission on Human Rights.
Pretoria says that its vote was due to Castro's support for Nelson Mandela
during his courageous stand against apartheid. But South Africa surely can
make concessions to Havana without squandering the moral standing gained by
the country's struggle for human dignity. Castro's rule is far closer to the
regime overthrown by Mandela and his followers than today's South Africa
with its multiparty system, free press and independent labor unions.
South African President Thabo Mbeki's statements about Castro go well beyond
the necessities of diplomacy. Yet South Africa's gratitude does not extend
to financial matters. According to The Johannesburg's Sunday Times, Pretoria
has suspended credit guarantees for trade with Cuba until Havana settles its
$13 million debt to South Africa. Castro made no payments last year.
Financial matters aside, Mbeki's position on human rights at the United
Nations is most lamentable: Pretoria also voted to keep off the agenda any
discussion of human rights in China. Pretoria ignored the victims who hope
for the kind of international support that facilitated the transition to
freedom in South Africa.
Does Mbeki know that most Cubans in prison are black? That blacks are
seriously missing from the upper ranks of Castro's government? That Cuban
blacks remain among the most destitute Cubans? That Gen. Arnaldo Ochoa, a
former commander of Cuba's Army's in Angola, was executed by Castro on
trumped up charges? That Castro would not allow the International Committee
of the Red Cross to visit Cuba's political prisoners and that a growing
number of Cuba's democratic opposition is black?
What about Castro's apartheid? The hotels, beaches and restaurants that
tourists patronize are off limits to Cubans. Shouldn't South Africans insist
that Cubans be given the same rights granted to foreigners?
Mbeki should be concerned about these issues: Cubans are not allowed to
organize independent labor unions. Strikes are banned. Foreign investors do
so in joint ventures with the regime, not with Cuban entrepreneurs. Foreign
companies cannot hire their own workers. Investors pay the government
between about $10,000 a year per worker, and the regime then pays the worker
$180 per year. Anyone who asks about collective bargaining is fired and
reported to the police.
If this reminds you of South Africa's apartheid, it is for a reason:
Despotism is the same everywhere, and no rhetoric about ``anti-imperialism''
can mask its deeds.
Mbeki should join Czech President Vaclav Havel and Mexican President Vicente
Fox when they say that sovereignty cannot be used to excuse human-rights
violations. Those living in freedom should not forget the men and women
suffering unspeakable repression in China, Burma, Sudan, Tibet and Cuba.
Years ago, many apartheid apologists argued that the United States had to
ignore Pretoria's repression because South African soldiers had died on the
U.S. side during World War II. It was wrong then, as it is now, to claim
that defending freedom in one place excuses supporting tyranny elsewhere.
Frank Calzón is executive director of the Center for a Free Cuba in
Washington, D.C.
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| Re: South Africa and Castro's apartheid [boodskap #41338 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #41303] |
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Oorspronklik gepos deur: @home.com
Logic wrote:
> Dit sal moeilik wees om daardie lojaliteits regering van ons oor te skakel
> na 'n meriete gebaseerde een. Dit kan darm tot 'n groot mate van die
> Apartheids regering gesê word.
>
Ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Jy praat nou van daardie
apartheidsregering waarin al die mag in die hande van 'n
klein falanks van die Afrikaners, naamlik die Broederbonders,
was? Wonder of daardie Broederbondergroepie meer as 'n
halfmiljoen Afrikaners getel het. Maar sê nou maar hulle het
beoog om alle Afrikaners te bevoordeel. Dan was die mag
nog net in die hande van drie miljoen mense, in 'n bevolking
van veertig miljoen. Jy praat strooi as jy van die aparheids-
regime as 'n meriete-gebaseerde regime praat. Dis tyd dat
mense soos jy deur die Afrikaanse man in die straat onteien
word, want jy preek 'n giftige onwaarheid. Julle is soos die
mense hier in Noord-Amerika wat soos Timothy McVey
geboue opblaas, net om hulle opinies te bewys.
Gloudina
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| Re: South Africa and Castro's apartheid [boodskap #41664 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #41303] |
So, 06 Mei 2001 12:53 |
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Die sogenaamde morele hoërgrond van die swart vryheidsvegters was nie om die
swart man te bevry nie. Die ingeligtes op die blou pêreltjie wat ons planeet
aarde noem, weet dat die lande wat jy noem in die berig hulle eie agenda met
Suid Afrika het.
Dit was nie om die swart man te bevry dat hulle Madiba ondersteun het nie.
Dit was om 'n vastrap plek te kry wat die Apartheid mense nie wou gee nie.
Ek dink ons gaan nog veel interesante dinge van die ANC se kant af sien in
die volgende paar jaar. Wees maar net atent daarop. Jy praat van ons vrye
media.
Hoekom gee die "vrye" media so baie aandag aan 'n swart dief se moord deur
wit moordenaars, maar niks aan 'n wit seun wat skape verkoop het en desmoers
geslaan is om sy verdiende drie honderd randjies te steel nie.
Dink daaroor en dan praat ons weer oor vrye media. As daardie vrye media
dieselfde "label" aan die moord op die wit seun gesit het as wat die
regering op die moord op die swart seun sit, dan is hulle rassiste.
Apartheid is verkeed, maar die oorwinnaars oor apartheid het jammerlik nie
ten doel om die swartes op te hef nie.
Leer om tussen die lyne te lees mense. Die media is nie die bastion van
waarheid nie. Lees, kyk en luister, maar lees tussen die lyne en dink vir
jouself. Selfs in die land met die meeste vryhede ter wêreld, sal jy dwaas
wees om die media se inligting sonder skroom te aanvaar.
Poseidon 55 skryf in boodskap news:EZ3J6.478$Bx5.10816@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
> From: PL
> Subject: South Africa and Castro's apartheid
> Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:47 AM
>
> South Africa and Castro's apartheid
>
>
> Frank Calzón. Published Wednesday, April 25, 2001 in the Miami Herald
>
> Sovereignty cannot be used to excuse cruelties.
>
> South Africa sided with Russia, China, Syria, Vietnam, Algiers, Saudi Arabia
> and Cuba recently in an unsuccessful effort against a resolution criticizing
> Fidel Castro's abysmal human-rights record. The vote took place at the
> United Nations Commission on Human Rights.
>
> Pretoria says that its vote was due to Castro's support for Nelson Mandela
> during his courageous stand against apartheid. But South Africa surely can
> make concessions to Havana without squandering the moral standing gained by
> the country's struggle for human dignity. Castro's rule is far closer to the
> regime overthrown by Mandela and his followers than today's South Africa
> with its multiparty system, free press and independent labor unions.
>
> South African President Thabo Mbeki's statements about Castro go well beyond
> the necessities of diplomacy. Yet South Africa's gratitude does not extend
> to financial matters. According to The Johannesburg's Sunday Times, Pretoria
> has suspended credit guarantees for trade with Cuba until Havana settles its
> $13 million debt to South Africa. Castro made no payments last year.
>
> Financial matters aside, Mbeki's position on human rights at the United
> Nations is most lamentable: Pretoria also voted to keep off the agenda any
> discussion of human rights in China. Pretoria ignored the victims who hope
> for the kind of international support that facilitated the transition to
> freedom in South Africa.
>
> Does Mbeki know that most Cubans in prison are black? That blacks are
> seriously missing from the upper ranks of Castro's government? That Cuban
> blacks remain among the most destitute Cubans? That Gen. Arnaldo Ochoa, a
> former commander of Cuba's Army's in Angola, was executed by Castro on
> trumped up charges? That Castro would not allow the International Committee
> of the Red Cross to visit Cuba's political prisoners and that a growing
> number of Cuba's democratic opposition is black?
>
> What about Castro's apartheid? The hotels, beaches and restaurants that
> tourists patronize are off limits to Cubans. Shouldn't South Africans insist
> that Cubans be given the same rights granted to foreigners?
>
> Mbeki should be concerned about these issues: Cubans are not allowed to
> organize independent labor unions. Strikes are banned. Foreign investors do
> so in joint ventures with the regime, not with Cuban entrepreneurs. Foreign
> companies cannot hire their own workers. Investors pay the government
> between about $10,000 a year per worker, and the regime then pays the worker
> $180 per year. Anyone who asks about collective bargaining is fired and
> reported to the police.
>
> If this reminds you of South Africa's apartheid, it is for a reason:
> Despotism is the same everywhere, and no rhetoric about "anti-imperialism''
> can mask its deeds.
>
> Mbeki should join Czech President Vaclav Havel and Mexican President Vicente
> Fox when they say that sovereignty cannot be used to excuse human-rights
> violations. Those living in freedom should not forget the men and women
> suffering unspeakable repression in China, Burma, Sudan, Tibet and Cuba.
>
> Years ago, many apartheid apologists argued that the United States had to
> ignore Pretoria's repression because South African soldiers had died on the
> U.S. side during World War II. It was wrong then, as it is now, to claim
> that defending freedom in one place excuses supporting tyranny elsewhere.
>
> Frank Calzón is executive director of the Center for a Free Cuba in
> Washington, D.C.
>
> Copyright 2001 Miami Herald
>
> http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y01/apr01/25e6.htm
>
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So, 06 Mei 2001 13:55 |
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Die swart mense besef dit nog nie, maar die wit mense in Suid Afrika is
eintlik hulle grootste vriend.
Groete
Logika
Poseidon 55 skryf in boodskap news:EZ3J6.478$Bx5.10816@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
> From: PL
> Subject: South Africa and Castro's apartheid
> Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:47 AM
>
> South Africa and Castro's apartheid
>
>
> Frank Calzón. Published Wednesday, April 25, 2001 in the Miami Herald
>
> Sovereignty cannot be used to excuse cruelties.
>
> South Africa sided with Russia, China, Syria, Vietnam, Algiers, Saudi Arabia
> and Cuba recently in an unsuccessful effort against a resolution criticizing
> Fidel Castro's abysmal human-rights record. The vote took place at the
> United Nations Commission on Human Rights.
>
> Pretoria says that its vote was due to Castro's support for Nelson Mandela
> during his courageous stand against apartheid. But South Africa surely can
> make concessions to Havana without squandering the moral standing gained by
> the country's struggle for human dignity. Castro's rule is far closer to the
> regime overthrown by Mandela and his followers than today's South Africa
> with its multiparty system, free press and independent labor unions.
>
> South African President Thabo Mbeki's statements about Castro go well beyond
> the necessities of diplomacy. Yet South Africa's gratitude does not extend
> to financial matters. According to The Johannesburg's Sunday Times, Pretoria
> has suspended credit guarantees for trade with Cuba until Havana settles its
> $13 million debt to South Africa. Castro made no payments last year.
>
> Financial matters aside, Mbeki's position on human rights at the United
> Nations is most lamentable: Pretoria also voted to keep off the agenda any
> discussion of human rights in China. Pretoria ignored the victims who hope
> for the kind of international support that facilitated the transition to
> freedom in South Africa.
>
> Does Mbeki know that most Cubans in prison are black? That blacks are
> seriously missing from the upper ranks of Castro's government? That Cuban
> blacks remain among the most destitute Cubans? That Gen. Arnaldo Ochoa, a
> former commander of Cuba's Army's in Angola, was executed by Castro on
> trumped up charges? That Castro would not allow the International Committee
> of the Red Cross to visit Cuba's political prisoners and that a growing
> number of Cuba's democratic opposition is black?
>
> What about Castro's apartheid? The hotels, beaches and restaurants that
> tourists patronize are off limits to Cubans. Shouldn't South Africans insist
> that Cubans be given the same rights granted to foreigners?
>
> Mbeki should be concerned about these issues: Cubans are not allowed to
> organize independent labor unions. Strikes are banned. Foreign investors do
> so in joint ventures with the regime, not with Cuban entrepreneurs. Foreign
> companies cannot hire their own workers. Investors pay the government
> between about $10,000 a year per worker, and the regime then pays the worker
> $180 per year. Anyone who asks about collective bargaining is fired and
> reported to the police.
>
> If this reminds you of South Africa's apartheid, it is for a reason:
> Despotism is the same everywhere, and no rhetoric about "anti-imperialism''
> can mask its deeds.
>
> Mbeki should join Czech President Vaclav Havel and Mexican President Vicente
> Fox when they say that sovereignty cannot be used to excuse human-rights
> violations. Those living in freedom should not forget the men and women
> suffering unspeakable repression in China, Burma, Sudan, Tibet and Cuba.
>
> Years ago, many apartheid apologists argued that the United States had to
> ignore Pretoria's repression because South African soldiers had died on the
> U.S. side during World War II. It was wrong then, as it is now, to claim
> that defending freedom in one place excuses supporting tyranny elsewhere.
>
> Frank Calzón is executive director of the Center for a Free Cuba in
> Washington, D.C.
>
> Copyright 2001 Miami Herald
>
> http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y01/apr01/25e6.htm
>
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| Re: South Africa and Castro's apartheid [boodskap #41683 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #41664] |
So, 06 Mei 2001 15:04 |
Annette
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Wat jy skryf is waar - Ek het self by 'n koerant gewerk - in administrasie -
en ek weet hoe baie politiek in die editering van berigte aangaan.
Ons kan net bly wees dat daar hoegenaamd iets van die kind van Bloemfontein
geskryf is.
Ons is egter seker dat geen minister sal opdaag by die huis van die
bedroefde ouers nie.
Mens moet net besef - net soos niemand in die staatsdiens kan sê Jammer, ek
het 'n fout gemaak nie, net so kan geen vurige ANC of PAC ondersteuner erken
dat hulle ook rasiste is nie.
Ons sal maar sien watter eierdans ons geagte President in die volgende paar
maande gaan uitvoer. Lyk my die impimpi het sy bloed geruik:))))
Annette
Logika wrote in message ...
> Die sogenaamde morele hoërgrond van die swart vryheidsvegters was nie om die
> swart man te bevry nie. Die ingeligtes op die blou pêreltjie wat ons planeet
> aarde noem, weet dat die lande wat jy noem in die berig hulle eie agenda met
> Suid Afrika het.
>
> Dit was nie om die swart man te bevry dat hulle Madiba ondersteun het nie.
> Dit was om 'n vastrap plek te kry wat die Apartheid mense nie wou gee nie.
> Ek dink ons gaan nog veel interesante dinge van die ANC se kant af sien in
> die volgende paar jaar. Wees maar net atent daarop. Jy praat van ons vrye
> media.
>
> Hoekom gee die "vrye" media so baie aandag aan 'n swart dief se moord deur
> wit moordenaars, maar niks aan 'n wit seun wat skape verkoop het en desmoers
> geslaan is om sy verdiende drie honderd randjies te steel nie.
>
> Dink daaroor en dan praat ons weer oor vrye media. As daardie vrye media
> dieselfde "label" aan die moord op die wit seun gesit het as wat die
> regering op die moord op die swart seun sit, dan is hulle rassiste.
>
> Apartheid is verkeed, maar die oorwinnaars oor apartheid het jammerlik nie
> ten doel om die swartes op te hef nie.
>
> Leer om tussen die lyne te lees mense. Die media is nie die bastion van
> waarheid nie. Lees, kyk en luister, maar lees tussen die lyne en dink vir
> jouself. Selfs in die land met die meeste vryhede ter wêreld, sal jy dwaas
> wees om die media se inligting sonder skroom te aanvaar.
>
>
> Poseidon 55 wrote in message
> news:EZ3J6.478$Bx5.10816@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> From: PL
>> Subject: South Africa and Castro's apartheid
>> Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:47 AM
>> South Africa and Castro's apartheid
>> Frank Calzón. Published Wednesday, April 25, 2001 in the Miami Herald
>> Sovereignty cannot be used to excuse cruelties.
>> South Africa sided with Russia, China, Syria, Vietnam, Algiers, Saudi Arabia
>> and Cuba recently in an unsuccessful effort against a resolution criticizing
>> Fidel Castro's abysmal human-rights record. The vote took place at the
>> United Nations Commission on Human Rights.
>> Pretoria says that its vote was due to Castro's support for Nelson Mandela
>> during his courageous stand against apartheid. But South Africa surely can
>> make concessions to Havana without squandering the moral standing gained by
>> the country's struggle for human dignity. Castro's rule is far closer to the
>> regime overthrown by Mandela and his followers than today's South Africa
>> with its multiparty system, free press and independent labor unions.
>> South African President Thabo Mbeki's statements about Castro go well beyond
>> the necessities of diplomacy. Yet South Africa's gratitude does not extend
>> to financial matters. According to The Johannesburg's Sunday Times, Pretoria
>> has suspended credit guarantees for trade with Cuba until Havana settles its
>> $13 million debt to South Africa. Castro made no payments last year.
>> Financial matters aside, Mbeki's position on human rights at the United
>> Nations is most lamentable: Pretoria also voted to keep off the agenda any
>> discussion of human rights in China. Pretoria ignored the victims who hope
>> for the kind of international support that facilitated the transition to
>> freedom in South Africa.
>> Does Mbeki know that most Cubans in prison are black? That blacks are
>> seriously missing from the upper ranks of Castro's government? That Cuban
>> blacks remain among the most destitute Cubans? That Gen. Arnaldo Ochoa, a
>> former commander of Cuba's Army's in Angola, was executed by Castro on
>> trumped up charges? That Castro would not allow the International Committee
>> of the Red Cross to visit Cuba's political prisoners and that a growing
>> number of Cuba's democratic opposition is black?
>> What about Castro's apartheid? The hotels, beaches and restaurants that
>> tourists patronize are off limits to Cubans. Shouldn't South Africans insist
>> that Cubans be given the same rights granted to foreigners?
>> Mbeki should be concerned about these issues: Cubans are not allowed to
>> organize independent labor unions. Strikes are banned. Foreign investors do
>> so in joint ventures with the regime, not with Cuban entrepreneurs. Foreign
>> companies cannot hire their own workers. Investors pay the government
>> between about $10,000 a year per worker, and the regime then pays the worker
>> $180 per year. Anyone who asks about collective bargaining is fired and
>> reported to the police.
>> If this reminds you of South Africa's apartheid, it is for a reason:
>> Despotism is the same everywhere, and no rhetoric about "anti-imperialism''
>> can mask its deeds.
>> Mbeki should join Czech President Vaclav Havel and Mexican President Vicente
>> Fox when they say that sovereignty cannot be used to excuse human-rights
>> violations. Those living in freedom should not forget the men and women
>> suffering unspeakable repression in China, Burma, Sudan, Tibet and Cuba.
>> Years ago, many apartheid apologists argued that the United States had to
>> ignore Pretoria's repression because South African soldiers had died on the
>> U.S. side during World War II. It was wrong then, as it is now, to claim
>> that defending freedom in one place excuses supporting tyranny elsewhere.
>> Frank Calzón is executive director of the Center for a Free Cuba in
>> Washington, D.C.
>> Copyright 2001 Miami Herald
>> http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y01/apr01/25e6.htm
>
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| Re: South Africa and Castro's apartheid [boodskap #41791 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #41683] |
Di, 08 Mei 2001 19:28 |
Max
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Let tog net op na die nuusgroepe waarheen julle post - in Afrikaans. Nou
stuur julle die vreemde taal tot spanje toe... nou nou vervuil al die
ander crosposts die plek weer so dat ek weer my goed vat en loop!
"Annette" skryf in boodskap news:9d3qor$nh9$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> Wat jy skryf is waar - Ek het self by 'n koerant gewerk - in administrasie -
> en ek weet hoe baie politiek in die editering van berigte aangaan.
>
> Ons kan net bly wees dat daar hoegenaamd iets van die kind van Bloemfontein
> geskryf is.
>
> Ons is egter seker dat geen minister sal opdaag by die huis van die
> bedroefde ouers nie.
>
> Mens moet net besef - net soos niemand in die staatsdiens kan sê Jammer, ek
> het 'n fout gemaak nie, net so kan geen vurige ANC of PAC ondersteuner erken
> dat hulle ook rasiste is nie.
>
> Ons sal maar sien watter eierdans ons geagte President in die volgende paar
> maande gaan uitvoer. Lyk my die impimpi het sy bloed geruik:))))
> Annette
>
> Logika wrote in message ...
>> Die sogenaamde morele hoërgrond van die swart vryheidsvegters was nie om die
>> swart man te bevry nie. Die ingeligtes op die blou pêreltjie wat ons planeet
>> aarde noem, weet dat die lande wat jy noem in die berig hulle eie agenda met
>> Suid Afrika het.
>>
>> Dit was nie om die swart man te bevry dat hulle Madiba ondersteun het nie.
>> Dit was om 'n vastrap plek te kry wat die Apartheid mense nie wou gee nie.
>> Ek dink ons gaan nog veel interesante dinge van die ANC se kant af sien in
>> die volgende paar jaar. Wees maar net atent daarop. Jy praat van ons vrye
>> media.
>>
>> Hoekom gee die "vrye" media so baie aandag aan 'n swart dief se moord deur
>> wit moordenaars, maar niks aan 'n wit seun wat skape verkoop het en desmoers
>> geslaan is om sy verdiende drie honderd randjies te steel nie.
>>
>> Dink daaroor en dan praat ons weer oor vrye media. As daardie vrye media
>> dieselfde "label" aan die moord op die wit seun gesit het as wat die
>> regering op die moord op die swart seun sit, dan is hulle rassiste.
>>
>> Apartheid is verkeed, maar die oorwinnaars oor apartheid het jammerlik nie
>> ten doel om die swartes op te hef nie.
>>
>> Leer om tussen die lyne te lees mense. Die media is nie die bastion van
>> waarheid nie. Lees, kyk en luister, maar lees tussen die lyne en dink vir
>> jouself. Selfs in die land met die meeste vryhede ter wêreld, sal jy dwaas
>> wees om die media se inligting sonder skroom te aanvaar.
>>
>>
>> Poseidon 55 wrote in message
>> news:EZ3J6.478$Bx5.10816@news20.bellglobal.com...
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>>> From: PL
>>> Subject: South Africa and Castro's apartheid
>>> Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:47 AM
>
>>> South Africa and Castro's apartheid
>
>
>>> Frank Calzón. Published Wednesday, April 25, 2001 in the Miami Herald
>
>>> Sovereignty cannot be used to excuse cruelties.
>
>>> South Africa sided with Russia, China, Syria, Vietnam, Algiers, Saudi Arabia
>>> and Cuba recently in an unsuccessful effort against a resolution criticizing
>>> Fidel Castro's abysmal human-rights record. The vote took place at the
>>> United Nations Commission on Human Rights.
>
>>> Pretoria says that its vote was due to Castro's support for Nelson Mandela
>>> during his courageous stand against apartheid. But South Africa surely can
>>> make concessions to Havana without squandering the moral standing gained by
>>> the country's struggle for human dignity. Castro's rule is far closer to the
>>> regime overthrown by Mandela and his followers than today's South Africa
>>> with its multiparty system, free press and independent labor unions.
>
>>> South African President Thabo Mbeki's statements about Castro go well beyond
>>> the necessities of diplomacy. Yet South Africa's gratitude does not extend
>>> to financial matters. According to The Johannesburg's Sunday Times, Pretoria
>>> has suspended credit guarantees for trade with Cuba until Havana settles its
>>> $13 million debt to South Africa. Castro made no payments last year.
>
>>> Financial matters aside, Mbeki's position on human rights at the United
>>> Nations is most lamentable: Pretoria also voted to keep off the agenda any
>>> discussion of human rights in China. Pretoria ignored the victims who hope
>>> for the kind of international support that facilitated the transition to
>>> freedom in South Africa.
>
>>> Does Mbeki know that most Cubans in prison are black? That blacks are
>>> seriously missing from the upper ranks of Castro's government? That Cuban
>>> blacks remain among the most destitute Cubans? That Gen. Arnaldo Ochoa, a
>>> former commander of Cuba's Army's in Angola, was executed by Castro on
>>> trumped up charges? That Castro would not allow the International Committee
>>> of the Red Cross to visit Cuba's political prisoners and that a growing
>>> number of Cuba's democratic opposition is black?
>
>>> What about Castro's apartheid? The hotels, beaches and restaurants that
>>> tourists patronize are off limits to Cubans. Shouldn't South Africans insist
>>> that Cubans be given the same rights granted to foreigners?
>
>>> Mbeki should be concerned about these issues: Cubans are not allowed to
>>> organize independent labor unions. Strikes are banned. Foreign investors do
>>> so in joint ventures with the regime, not with Cuban entrepreneurs. Foreign
>>> companies cannot hire their own workers. Investors pay the government
>>> between about $10,000 a year per worker, and the regime then pays the worker
>>> $180 per year. Anyone who asks about collective bargaining is fired and
>>> reported to the police.
>
>>> If this reminds you of South Africa's apartheid, it is for a reason:
>>> Despotism is the same everywhere, and no rhetoric about "anti-imperialism''
>>> can mask its deeds.
>
>>> Mbeki should join Czech President Vaclav Havel and Mexican President Vicente
>>> Fox when they say that sovereignty cannot be used to excuse human-rights
>>> violations. Those living in freedom should not forget the men and women
>>> suffering unspeakable repression in China, Burma, Sudan, Tibet and Cuba.
>
>>> Years ago, many apartheid apologists argued that the United States had to
>>> ignore Pretoria's repression because South African soldiers had died on the
>>> U.S. side during World War II. It was wrong then, as it is now, to claim
>>> that defending freedom in one place excuses supporting tyranny elsewhere.
>
>>> Frank Calzón is executive director of the Center for a Free Cuba in
>>> Washington, D.C.
>
>>> Copyright 2001 Miami Herald
>
>>> http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y01/apr01/25e6.htm
>>
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