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 Re: Boesak's Jail Cell Cellphone [boodskap #39572 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #39568] |
Thu, 22 February 2001 21:39   |
Norman Coyne
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The Faerie Godmother wrote:
> NC wrote in message
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>> You know Moira, the people who get put into prison are criminals who by
>> some anti social act they have transgressed the laws of the society in
>> which the lived. Part of the reason, in fact I would say the major part,
>> for putting them in prison is to remove them from society as a
>> punishment. Now I know that's a dirty word in certain circles but if
>> prison is to act as a deterrent to future crimes prison life can NOT be
>> as cosy as life outside. By committing a crime they forfeit certain
>> privileges one of which I suggest is the means whereby they can plan
>> their next robbery or intimidate witnesses or in Boesak's case keep in
>> touch with his investments made with the disadvantaged peoples money he
>> embezzled during the 'struggle'.
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> Crime and punishment. Crime and rehabilitation.
>
> There is a part of me which would like to believe that prison is
> about rehabilitation and another part of me which doesn't believe it
> at all - rather it is a network opportunity for people to learn who
> does what and where they live.
>
> There is also a part of me which would like to see criminal
> *punished* to the full extent of the law, and perhaps even beyond.
>
> Ja Nee.
See it's a conundrum as a certain bald headed man said.
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>
> I don't have any answers. However, prisoners should be allowed to
> exercise reasonable rights.
Why????? They forfeited their rights when they transgressed the rights
of society to live in a lawful manner. Beyond food, clothing, board &
reasonable medical care they have no "rights".
> If these reasonable rights include a
> pay phone then I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed cellphones.
Because even if they are allowed pay phones under supervision they
should not be allowed unsupervised access to the outside.
These rights & privileges you talk about have to be earned. You & I &
the rest of us earn them by being law abiding citizens (well most of the
time) & accepting our responsibilities. Prison is a place where these
rights & privileges are put on hold while the criminal 'hopefully'
learns their lesson & shows some responsibility. When they are released
then they can resume their rights & privileges as citizens.
Anything else & prison just becomes a waste of taxpayer's (read law
abiding you & me) money.
We might as well get rid of all the prisons, warders, judges, courts &
staff, in fact the whole law & order industry & put the money into ABSA
& issue people with criminal tendencies a card to withdraw what they
want instead of robbing people. I know my tongue in cheek solution
doesn't cover non material crimes but .............
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| Re: Boesak's Jail Cell Cellphone [boodskap #39621 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #39346] |
Sat, 24 February 2001 07:18 |
sabsy[1]
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Junior Lid |
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"ILLYA" skryf in boodskap news:3a97197e.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
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> The melanin level in the skin of the people concerned is not an issue
here,
Ja right!!
Marietta Bosch managed to change the views of the ACDP.
Now, there is even a chance that she might not have done it, which could
prove once for all the dangers of the death penalty.
But, I would not be surprised if you denied the racial issue.
> and you are side-tracking the debate again, wandering off topic.
Not at all.
This is part of the point, in South Africa, specifically.
> The point
> is that the minister of Justice was involved in circumventing the prison
> discipline that he is supposed to uphold.
Do you have evidence of this?
If so, please do let us know.
> Hansie Cronje is not in prison at
> this stage and he is not pally pally with the minister of Justice.
But seems to be pally pally with a lot of other people that would ensure
that he does not get charged for his offences.
I am sutrprised that you are not demanding that justice be done.
Surely, someone like you should be jumping up and down and asking for
justice to be done in the Cronje issue, right?
But we know the score. Hansie is not your typical race of a criminal. So,
the ACDP will not comment on his lawyer's attempt to prevent information
being uncovered.
The power of Cronje is apparent when you see how many people are not eager
for the King Commission to continue.
Are you one of those?
>
> But if we are to raise this debate - let us consider the scenario whereby
> one of your ANC guys gets caught in some form of corruption.
Allan Boesak is proof that ANC officials caught with hands in the till are
dealt with publicly.
An ANC MP who has been abusing parliamentary priviledges was made to stand
on his seat while he was being dressed down by the speaker of parliament.
Some of the charges have been refered to the PUBLIC prosecutor.
So, please do not talk crap. Check the news.
> The very public Hansie scenario would not apply.
Infact, I do not think the commission was necessary. He should have been
charged like any other criminal. Atleast we agree here.
> The life bans before a verdict would not apply.
No, idiot.
Sporting bodies have their own rules. The life ban was after a verdict in
Cricket, dummy.
> We have the Ex Mayor of
> Amanzimtoti, re- elected to Durban Unicity council on the PR list despite
> the fact that most of the town saw him fatally stab his girlfriend's ex
> husband in the 'Toti high school car park.
If most of the town saw him stab someone, then most of the town is witness
to murder and there should be a case of murder. Was there a case of murder?
Was he found guilty?
Would you like him to hand in the place of Marietta Bosch?
> The story is that this is
> perfectly in order as he has not been convicted yet - three years down the
> line.
And what is holding up the process?
Do you believe that someone is innocent until proven guilty or confesses?
Hansie Cronje, Henri Willians and Gibbs confessed.
> If Hansie was prevented from teaching township kids from
> playing cricket and also prevented from telling them to be honest and not
> behave like him, then hey maybe the murdering mayor should be prevented from
> seeing the family of the man he killed.
This is white crap, if I know one. Now, Hansie the one person who almost
resigned to prevent the likes of Ntini, Gibbs, Adams, Ngam from playing for
their country is now eager to teach black kids to be honest?
Why doesn't he teach his former white players to be honest? Is there an
assumption that black kids who benefit the most from Hansie Morality 101?
Do you understand how racist that is?
Why can't Hansie go teach Afrikaans kids who to be honest? He seems to be a
product of such upbringing, not a product of a black dishonest upbringing.
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| Re: Boesak's Jail Cell Cellphone [boodskap #39647 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #39621] |
Sun, 25 February 2001 14:37 |
Jonas
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Bull - Boesak is vervolg omdat die media die kollig op hom gehou het.
Andersins sou die ANC dit onder die mat ingevee het - soos met die
wapenskandaal...
"sabsy" skryf in boodskap news:3a976002.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
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> "ILLYA" wrote in message
> news:3a97197e.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
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>> The melanin level in the skin of the people concerned is not an issue
> here,
>
> Ja right!!
> Marietta Bosch managed to change the views of the ACDP.
> Now, there is even a chance that she might not have done it, which could
> prove once for all the dangers of the death penalty.
> But, I would not be surprised if you denied the racial issue.
>
>> and you are side-tracking the debate again, wandering off topic.
>
> Not at all.
> This is part of the point, in South Africa, specifically.
>
>> The point
>> is that the minister of Justice was involved in circumventing the prison
>> discipline that he is supposed to uphold.
>
> Do you have evidence of this?
> If so, please do let us know.
>
>> Hansie Cronje is not in prison at
>> this stage and he is not pally pally with the minister of Justice.
>
> But seems to be pally pally with a lot of other people that would ensure
> that he does not get charged for his offences.
> I am sutrprised that you are not demanding that justice be done.
> Surely, someone like you should be jumping up and down and asking for
> justice to be done in the Cronje issue, right?
> But we know the score. Hansie is not your typical race of a criminal. So,
> the ACDP will not comment on his lawyer's attempt to prevent information
> being uncovered.
> The power of Cronje is apparent when you see how many people are not eager
> for the King Commission to continue.
> Are you one of those?
>
>>
>> But if we are to raise this debate - let us consider the scenario whereby
>> one of your ANC guys gets caught in some form of corruption.
>
> Allan Boesak is proof that ANC officials caught with hands in the till are
> dealt with publicly.
> An ANC MP who has been abusing parliamentary priviledges was made to stand
> on his seat while he was being dressed down by the speaker of parliament.
> Some of the charges have been refered to the PUBLIC prosecutor.
> So, please do not talk crap. Check the news.
>
>> The very public Hansie scenario would not apply.
>
> Infact, I do not think the commission was necessary. He should have been
> charged like any other criminal. Atleast we agree here.
>
>> The life bans before a verdict would not apply.
>
> No, idiot.
> Sporting bodies have their own rules. The life ban was after a verdict in
> Cricket, dummy.
>
>> We have the Ex Mayor of
>> Amanzimtoti, re- elected to Durban Unicity council on the PR list despite
>> the fact that most of the town saw him fatally stab his girlfriend's ex
>> husband in the 'Toti high school car park.
>
> If most of the town saw him stab someone, then most of the town is witness
> to murder and there should be a case of murder. Was there a case of murder?
> Was he found guilty?
> Would you like him to hand in the place of Marietta Bosch?
>
>> The story is that this is
>> perfectly in order as he has not been convicted yet - three years down the
>> line.
>
> And what is holding up the process?
> Do you believe that someone is innocent until proven guilty or confesses?
> Hansie Cronje, Henri Willians and Gibbs confessed.
>
>> If Hansie was prevented from teaching township kids from
>> playing cricket and also prevented from telling them to be honest and not
>> behave like him, then hey maybe the murdering mayor should be prevented
> from
>> seeing the family of the man he killed.
>
> This is white crap, if I know one. Now, Hansie the one person who almost
> resigned to prevent the likes of Ntini, Gibbs, Adams, Ngam from playing for
> their country is now eager to teach black kids to be honest?
> Why doesn't he teach his former white players to be honest? Is there an
> assumption that black kids who benefit the most from Hansie Morality 101?
> Do you understand how racist that is?
> Why can't Hansie go teach Afrikaans kids who to be honest? He seems to be a
> product of such upbringing, not a product of a black dishonest upbringing.
>
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| Re: Boesak's Jail Cell Cellphone [boodskap #39812 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #39346] |
Thu, 01 March 2001 13:49 |
Jac...[1]
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Jim wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:17:31 +0200, "sabsy"
> wrote:
>> "Andrew" wrote in message
>> news:3a9577a9.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>>> Payphones can be easily monitored, cellphones can't
>> Are you sure?
>>
> Yes, I am sure of this one, sabsy. The cell phone is a digital device,
> if you tune a radio into the correct frequency all you will hear is
> that annoying buzz that cuts through just abt everything around you.
> (car radios etc) You need equipment to be able to convert those
> digital "sounds" back into intelligent voice. Further, there are
> scrambling techniques used to "mix up" that signal as well. ...
This is correct. Cellphone service providers do scramble signals, in
fact, the signal is scrambled by means of a digital word that changes very
often (I think once every 3 seconds). To try and unscramble a
conversation would probably take minutes by which time the digital word
has changed again. I was told by a senior engineer at Vodacom that this
is the main reason why the US are still on Analogue phone technology -
since that can be monitored externally.
Also, The service provider does not store conversations on computer - this
is totally illegal. That said: A policing agency of the government may
obtain a warrant to listen into conversations. This has to be signed by
an appropriate person or institution and is done directly at the service
provider.
To come back to the question: To tap into a cellular phone externally is
all but impossible. To tap it from within the service provider requires
permission.
J'Son
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| Re: Boesak's Jail Cell Cellphone [boodskap #39844 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #39346] |
Fri, 02 March 2001 05:52 |
Jac...[1]
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NC wrote:
> sabsy wrote:
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>>>> > Cellphone development in South Africa is much more advanced than in
>>>> > most places in the world including the USA.
>
>>>> Dream on.
>
>>> It would be if the govt. didn't restrict it. Anyway, MTN is rated in the
>>> top three networks worldwide and has the lowest congestion in the southern
>>> hemisphere.
>
>> Still, Cellphone development in South Africa is much more ADVANCEd than MOST
>> places in the world. I have worked in the cellularphone industry and Moron
>> Norman is merely being Drunk Norman.
>> The 1st place in the world to utilize pay as you go technology was Vodacom's
>> Vodago
>
> For the record my profession is electronics & my qualifications are in the
> telecommunications field which I can prove unlike old "have you kissed a Jesuit
> today" Sabelo's claims to have worked in the cell phone industry. To make the
> statement as Sabsy did that, "Cellphone development in South Africa is much more
> advanced than in most places in the world including the USA." Is stretching the
> truth to a great degree. No one would deny that the spread of cellular phones,
> in a country that had no real telephone service in the rural areas due to a) A
> crap government body like Telcom & b) The persistent theft of the wires, has
> been phenomenal. However much national pride you want to expend, proliferation
> of a cell phone service in South Africa, over say the last 5 years, doesn't
> equate to 'development' or 'advanced'.
> Let's face it South Africa uses the technologies developed overseas not an in
> house researched & developed system.
Telecoms and electronics is my field too, and I tend to agree with Norman. None of
the tech involved here was developed in SA...
Two things to note though:
1.) Because Cellphones are a relatively new technology in SA (compared to the US
say) it follows that by the time the backbones and servers were installed in SA the
technology had been developed quite a lot. The result is that at the time of
installation, SA had the best equipment in the world - as far as I know, neither MTN
nor Vodacom has kept pace with development though, and by now we are probably
somewhere in the middle ranks...
2.) I am not too sure about the situation, but I think SA must be on the leading
edge of cellphone technology in Africa...
There is something to be proud of here, but to state that SA's cellphone structure
is more advanced than in say the US reminds me of the old era where the popular
believe was that everything developed in SA was the best in the world...
J'Son
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| Re: Boooooo !!!! [boodskap #39886 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #39874] |
Sat, 03 March 2001 16:29 |
Davie Davis
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2001 16:05:48 +1300, "Dingus" wrote:
> BOO HOO
>
> Tobie wrote in message
> news:97m3ce$79b$1@nnrp01.ops.uunet.co.za...
>> poplap .... nie te veel van die 'old man' nie hoor, jy sal DD se
>> gevoelens seermaak. Die grumpy woord is ok :-)
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> "poppie" wrote in message
>> -knip-----
>> Steur jou niks : aan uncle Dave nie, hy is net n grumpy old man.
>> :-)
>> :
>> : poppie
>> :
>> :
>> :
>> : The Faerie Godmother wrote in message
>> : news:96umgs$1ob$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
>> : >
>> : > Dave Du Plessis wrote in message
>> : > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:47:13 +0200, "The Faerie Godmother"
>> : > > wrote:
>> : >
>> : > > Waarom plaas die vrou haar briewe op 'n paar nuusgroepe?
>> : >
>> : > Omrede ek die nuusgroepe so gevind het.
>> : > Ek sal probeer om soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans te verwyder van
>> : > die lys in die toekoms.
>> : >
>> : > Moira, the Faerie Godmother
>> : >
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