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Help needed on some "South African" words [boodskap #28770]

Tue, 18 January 2000 00:00

David Combs[1]
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I'm in a "book club" (group of people who one book per month, then
meet to discuss it), and this month we're
reading a story ("Burger's Daughter", by Nadine Gorrimer)
that mainly takes place in South Africa. It uses some vocabulary
that the average American reader (like me) doesn't know.

Could some South-African fill in rough definitions for these?

I'll then xerox the responses, and hand them out to my group
(meets tomorrow (wednesday) night).

THANKS!

---- Here they are:

B O S S (secret police?)

Broederbond

boerewors

coloured (the specific definition for South Africans)

doek

dorp

kaffertjie

kaffir

kaffir-boetie

mealies (roast mealies)

stoep

veld

veldskoen

volk

---- And maybe some of these are South African too:

baize

kaross

pantechnion

rondavel

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Re: Help needed on some "South African" words [boodskap #28771 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #28770]

Tue, 18 January 2000 00:00

Jan Diedeleff[2]
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Junior Lid

David Combs wrote:

> I'm in a "book club" (group of people who one book per month, then
> meet to discuss it), and this month we're
> reading a story ("Burger's Daughter", by Nadine Gorrimer)
> that mainly takes place in South Africa. It uses some vocabulary
> that the average American reader (like me) doesn't know.
>
> Could some South-African fill in rough definitions for these?
>
> I'll then xerox the responses, and hand them out to my group
> (meets tomorrow (wednesday) night).
>
> THANKS!
>
> ---- Here they are:
>
> B O S S (secret police?)
>
> Broederbond
>
> boerewors
[snip]
In case no one comes through, you will find two Afrikaans-English
dictionaries at the site "A Web of On-line Dictionaries"
http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/rbeard/diction3.html

--
Best --- Donna Richoux

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Re: Help needed on some "South African" words [boodskap #28779 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #28770]

Wed, 19 January 2000 00:00

David Combs[1]
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Junior Lid

THANKS TO ALL OF YOU!

Now I go collate the answers by-word, print them,
and make a bunch of xerox copies, for our club meeting
tonight, when we discuss the book.

THANK YOU!!!

David

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Re: Help needed on some "South African" words [boodskap #28780 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #28770]

Wed, 19 January 2000 00:00

ferdinand
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On 18 Jan 2000 22:07:12 GMT, dkc...@netcom.com (David Combs) wrote:

>

Yes.

Secret organisation that originated in the 1920's after the Afrikaners
were disposessed of economic power by the Anglo Boer war and lost
their independent republics.
It was started to support Afrikaners regaining some economic and
political clout.
People who were seen as good candidates were invited to join. Meetings
were in secret and membership was secret as well.
They essentially stuck together and helped each other.
As the Afrikaner grew in power the Broederbond became more and more
powerfull.
In the apartheid days it was not only the think tank of the govt but
in a sense also a govt within a govt as most of the ruling National
Party's (if not all) office bearers were members.
These days they are stripped of political power but still rule
Afrikaner corporate life.

Beef suasage spiced up a bit.

>

A group of SA'ns who have their roots in malay slaves, white settlers
and ancient indiginous tribes. Under apartheid they were seen as a
seperate race.
They mainly speak Afrikaans.
White Afrikaners have close blood relations with them.
The language Afrikaans probably originated with them.
They are mainly Christian but also represents one of the big Muslim
communities in SA.

>

Piece of fabric

Smalish town

Racist name for a young black person. Like "nigger kid".

>

Racist name for a black SA'n. Like "nigger",

>

Insulting name given by racist minded people in the days of apartheid
to a person who insisted in being non racial. Like "nigger lover".

>

Maize.

>

Veranda

I believe the English word is also veld. Open country side.

>

Rough shoe made of animal skin. Was worn by early Afrikaner settlers
before the days of shoe shops.

>

The people, the nation.

>
> ---- And maybe some of these are South African too:
>
>

Don;t know this one.

>

Blanket made of soft animal skin. Many times worn as outer cloth by
African tribes.

>
>

Big trucks used to move furniture.

>

Smalish house unit built in a round shape. Typically used as a sigle
room and detached from the main house.

By the way, the main character of Burgers Daughter is based on the
daughters of Bram Fischer an Afrikaner who was leader of the SA
Communist Party in the 60's and early 70's.
He was sentenced to jail wher he died in the early 80's.
He was from a prominent Afrikaner family and was by all accounts a
brilliant man.
A good biography of Fischer was written by Stephen Clingman who is now
at the university of Boston.

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Re: Help needed on some "South African" words [boodskap #28781 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #28770]

Wed, 19 January 2000 00:00

Jan Grootenhuis
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Junior Lid

On Wednesday, in article
voer...@spam.com
"Brollox" wrote:

>>>
>>> veldskoen
>>
>> Spelling?? Should this not be "Velskoen". In any event they are shoes,
>> roughly made, of hide.
>>
>
> Shows you how stupid the rooineks are. It should be "velskoene", shoes
> made of animal skin, typically with the suede outside, and home-made
> or handmade.

I smell trouble brewing among the lower orders. Would any of
you Afrikaners be interested in hearing some Van der Ryerson
jokes from my huge stock?

--
James Follett -- novelist http://www.davew.demon.co.uk

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Re: Help needed on some "South African" words [boodskap #28782 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #28770]

Wed, 19 January 2000 00:00

Anoniem

Oorspronklik gepos deur: @home.com

PAT wrote:

>> B O S S (secret police?)
> BOSS is an acronym for BUREAU OF STATE SECURITY
> It doesn't exist anymore (I think)
>>
>> Broederbond
> Something similar to the Freemasons, except even more
> inclusive and and sinister.

One should add here that it was a secret society among mainlyAfrikaners,
aimed at the strengthening of Afrikaner society.
After the election of the National Party in 1948 it started exerting
a tight grip on appointments in the civil service and at universities.

>>
>> boerewors
> literary translated "farmers sausage" something of
> a mix between polish sausage and a hot dog

Come on, Pat. Good Boerewors is surely characterized by the goodground
meat in it. To liken it to a hot dog is surely a travesty.

>>
>> coloured (the specific definition for South Africans)
> of mixed race (usually black and white)
>
>> doek
>> headscarf
>
>> dorp
> small town
>>
>> kaffertjie
> little n***er (I can't bring myself to say it, sorry!)

"Kaffer" comes from the Arabic "Kafir" meaning non-moslem,infidel. Was
then brought to Africa by the Moslems and later
on applied to all black people in Africa.

>> kaffir
> Ni**er - same as above>
>>
>
> kaffir-boetie
> a white person in cahoots with a black person

A "kaffer-boetie" is a derogatory term used by racists in South-Africato
denote a person whose sympathies are with the black people. The
word "boetie" is a dimunitive form of "broer" (brother.)

>
>
>> mealies (roast mealies)
> corn
>>
>> stoep
> porch
>>
>> veld
> you ought to know this one, it is universal -
> land with scrubs and brush and trees
>
>> veldskoen
> a handmade leather shoe - crudely made
>>
>
> volk
> nation
>
>> ---- And maybe some of these are South African too:
>>
>> baize
> I don't know that word

From our American Heritage Dictionary: " A cotton or woolenmaterial
napped to imitate felt, often bright green in colour, and
used chiefly as a cover for gaming tables. (French "baie"..)

>
>
>> kaross
> a blanket made of deer or cowhide
>
>> pantechnion
> a vehicle (truck or eighteen wheeler) carrying new cars
>
>> rondavel
> a round house/hut with a thatched roof
>>

It is interesting to see that English speaking South Africansuse the
original Dutch spelling "rondavel" when they write
about this particular sort of building. (In Afrikaans it is
spelt "rondawel.") The fact that the building is round is the
most important feature of it. But more often than not it has
a thatched roof. In the olden days quite a number of tribes
built their dwellings in the form of rondawels. Modern
rondawels are frequently found in Game Parks etc.

Gloudina

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Re: Help needed on some "South African" words [boodskap #28831 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #28770]

Tue, 25 January 2000 00:00

Roux Beets
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Hi David!

Some rough translations for you (might be a bit late though):
> B O S S (secret police?) - no idea
>
> Broederbond - secret white Afrikaner movement, looking after white people's interest during the Apartheid era
>
> boerewors - meat sausage traditionally made by the Afrikaner farmers
>
> coloured (the specific definition for South Africans) - non white, but not
black. Refers to the race that originated when white people met the
traditional black people of South Africa in the 17th century.
>
> doek - cloth
>
> dorp - town
>
> kaffertjie - little black guy (or your N**r)
>
> kaffir - black guy
>
> kaffir-boetie - lover of black people (N**r lover)
>
> mealies (roast mealies) - corn
>
> stoep - patio
>
> veld - open field
>
> veldskoen - kind of leather shoe
>
> volk - nation
>
> ---- And maybe some of these are South African too:
>
> baize - ??
>
> kaross - blanket made of animal skin
>
> pantechnion - ???
>
> rondavel - little round house
>

Hope this helps!!

Cheers

Roux

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