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Peter Bruce van Business Day oor die ANC [boodskap #117799] Ma, 23 Junie 2008 12:27 na volgende boodskap
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The thick end of the wedge
Peter Bruce

IS THE African National Congress scared of its own children? I ask
because try as I might I have yet to hear anything approaching a
rebuke of Youth League president Julius Malema for his threat to kill
people who put Jacob Zuma on trial. Kgalema Motlanthe probably did the
best by calling the remark “reckless” and reminding his interviewer —
John Robbie — that Malema is also on the party's NEC and its National
Working Committee.

Listening to Jacob Zuma the other night I waited for the Chief to say
something chiefly, but all he managed was a miserable “it was
unfortunate”.

Unfortunate? It was, and remains, an outrage and it speaks volumes for
the way the ANC works that this is all we citizens are going to get.
As far as the ANC is concerned it's an internal matter. Sure, Malema
has probably been dumped on big time behind closed doors, but it
doesn't help me or anyone else offended and frightened by his idiocy.
The ANC needs to learn lessons the easy way (like by reading
well-meaning columnists like me) or the hard way (like reading about
burning people on the streets of our townships) — and the lesson is to
talk to and empathise with the people.

It's simple, folks — people like to feel affirmed. I'll absolutely
guarantee you most ordinary adult citizens would have been appalled
about what Malema said, so why not make them feel ordinary and normal
and say out loud that what Malema said was appalling?

At the moment, most of the ANC's talking is done within the party.
It's understandable in a way because of all the infighting. But
there's also a sense in which the ANC believes it is the country. So
when Julius Malema breaks wind on the subject of Zuma, he's probably
genuinely bemused at the stir he creates. Jacob Zuma probably really
thinks it is just unfortunate (presuming it's still okay to take a man
at his word).

Does he not link what Malema said to the fact that most of the
speeches he gives these days are about restoring confidence to SA's
withering reputation in the world, what with his becoming president
and the current president having lost control of the government? The
actual tipping point, when the rand free-falls and the non criminal
rich all leave, that'll all be dealt with in the party structures, I'm
sure.

So if one is so down on the Zuma ANC why can't one get more excited
about all the talk of a new order in SA politics — supposedly Helen
Zille becomes a sort of stalking horse for a now broken-away part of
the ANC more commonly known as the Mbeki Camp? According to what I
have been told, the reasoning is that Zuma will become president and
fairly quickly fail, both economically and socially. That's when the
“new” political structure will somehow “move in” and take the reins.

I think not. People should stop underestimating Zuma. He has his
faults, sure, but he's as cunning an operator as you'll find in
politics anywhere. He will split the middle classes by speaking out
sensibly on crime and Zimbabwe and wealth and poverty. He has the
common touch in bucket-loads and it can be amazingly comforting to
listen to him. The Mbeki Camp breakaway (if it ever comes to that)
will have to match him and will probably fail.

Unless, that is, they can nail him on morality. That's his weak spot,
as his failure to rebuke Malema in public unfortunately again shows.

FRANS Steyn is not a flyhalf. He's talented but not educated (he brags
about never reading) and the latter matters as much in that position
as the former. The flyhalf is where a winning rugby team leaves its
brain. Rather let Steyn just play (somewhere else) and we'll see what
he can do. The Aussies and Kiwis are next. Please let's play them with
a brain where it should be.
So 'n apartheidsvark!!! [boodskap #117806 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #117799] Ma, 23 Junie 2008 12:50 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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"Ferdi" The thick end of the wedge[/color]
> Peter Bruce
>
> IS THE African National Congress scared of its own children? I ask
> because try as I might I have yet to hear anything approaching a
> rebuke of Youth League president Julius Malema for his threat to kill
> people who put Jacob Zuma on trial. Kgalema Motlanthe probably did the
> best by calling the remark "reckless" and reminding his interviewer -
> John Robbie - that Malema is also on the party's NEC and its National
> Working Committee.
>
> Listening to Jacob Zuma the other night I waited for the Chief to say
> something chiefly, but all he managed was a miserable "it was
> unfortunate".
>
> Unfortunate? It was, and remains, an outrage and it speaks volumes for
> the way the ANC works that this is all we citizens are going to get.
> As far as the ANC is concerned it's an internal matter. Sure, Malema
> has probably been dumped on big time behind closed doors, but it
> doesn't help me or anyone else offended and frightened by his idiocy.
> The ANC needs to learn lessons the easy way (like by reading
> well-meaning columnists like me) or the hard way (like reading about
> burning people on the streets of our townships) - and the lesson is to
> talk to and empathise with the people.
>
> It's simple, folks - people like to feel affirmed. I'll absolutely
> guarantee you most ordinary adult citizens would have been appalled
> about what Malema said, so why not make them feel ordinary and normal
> and say out loud that what Malema said was appalling?
>
> At the moment, most of the ANC's talking is done within the party.
> It's understandable in a way because of all the infighting. But
> there's also a sense in which the ANC believes it is the country. So
> when Julius Malema breaks wind on the subject of Zuma, he's probably
> genuinely bemused at the stir he creates. Jacob Zuma probably really
> thinks it is just unfortunate (presuming it's still okay to take a man
> at his word).
>
> Does he not link what Malema said to the fact that most of the
> speeches he gives these days are about restoring confidence to SA's
> withering reputation in the world, what with his becoming president
> and the current president having lost control of the government? The
> actual tipping point, when the rand free-falls and the non criminal
> rich all leave, that'll all be dealt with in the party structures, I'm
> sure.
>
> So if one is so down on the Zuma ANC why can't one get more excited
> about all the talk of a new order in SA politics - supposedly Helen
> Zille becomes a sort of stalking horse for a now broken-away part of
> the ANC more commonly known as the Mbeki Camp? According to what I
> have been told, the reasoning is that Zuma will become president and
> fairly quickly fail, both economically and socially. That's when the
> "new" political structure will somehow "move in" and take the reins.
>
> I think not. People should stop underestimating Zuma. He has his
> faults, sure, but he's as cunning an operator as you'll find in
> politics anywhere. He will split the middle classes by speaking out
> sensibly on crime and Zimbabwe and wealth and poverty. He has the
> common touch in bucket-loads and it can be amazingly comforting to
> listen to him. The Mbeki Camp breakaway (if it ever comes to that)
> will have to match him and will probably fail.
>
> Unless, that is, they can nail him on morality. That's his weak spot,
> as his failure to rebuke Malema in public unfortunately again shows.

Wat 'n apartheidsvark!!!

Hoe kan hy enigsins twyfel dat ons toekoms veilig is in die hande van die
ANC en Zuma?
Re: So 'n apartheidsvark!!! [boodskap #117812 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #117806] Ma, 23 Junie 2008 13:19 Na vorige boodskap
Daun Johnson  is tans af-lyn  Daun Johnson
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:50:47 +0200, "Torreke" wrote:
eins.

>> I think not. People should stop underestimating Zuma. He has his
>> faults, sure, but he's as cunning an operator as you'll find in
>> politics anywhere. He will split the middle classes by speaking out
>> sensibly on crime and Zimbabwe and wealth and poverty. He has the
>> common touch in bucket-loads and it can be amazingly comforting to
>> listen to him. The Mbeki Camp breakaway (if it ever comes to that)
>> will have to match him and will probably fail.

>> Unless, that is, they can nail him on morality. That's his weak spot,
>> as his failure to rebuke Malema in public unfortunately again shows.
>
>
> Wat 'n apartheidsvark!!!
>
> Hoe kan hy enigsins twyfel dat ons toekoms veilig is in die hande van die
> ANC en Zuma?

Eers het (was dit Tim du Plessis?) die media berig dat Zuma veel
oorreding nodig gehad het (lees ge'force' is) om die anc jeugleier aan
te vat oor sy doodmaak stories, en gisteraand het die SAUK uitgesaai
dat Zuma een van die min leiers is wat die jeugleier teëgegaan het.
(Dit was uitgesaai wat Zuma gesê het, maar hyhet dit ôk mar onner
force gesê.
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