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| Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70922] |
So, 22 Desember 2002 21:43  |
Ferdi Greyling
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Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm
The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program
Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December
2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that
supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to
develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the
report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had
seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK,
Germany, France, China, and elsewhere.
Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily
newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original,
uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have
been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten
non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed
the list, presented below.
[read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times,
the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news
outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)]
Key
A = nuclear weapon program
B = biological weapon program
C = chemical weapon program
R = rocket program
K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi
Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants
USA
1. Honeywell (R, K)
2. Spectra Physics (K)
3. Semetex (R)
4. TI Coating (A, K)
5. Unisys (A, K)
6. Sperry Corp. (R, K)
7. Tektronix (R, A)
8. Rockwell (K)
9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K)
12. Dupont (A)
13. Eastman Kodak (R)
14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
15. Alcolac International (C)
16. Consarc (A)
17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K)
18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
19. Electronic Associates (R)
20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
21. Bechtel (K)
22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R)
23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
"In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50
subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms
business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers
for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of
Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence
Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories."
China
1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K)
2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K)
3. China State Missile Company (R)
France
1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A)
2. Sciaky (A)
3. Thomson CSF (A, K)
4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R)
5. Cerbag (A)
6. Protec SA (C)
7. Thales Group (A)
8. Societé Général pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A)
Great Britain
1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A)
2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A)
3. Endshire Export Marketing (A)
4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
5. MEED International (A, C)
6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R)
7. International Computer Limited (A, K)
8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A)
9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A)
10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of
Defence)
11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R)
12. Technology Development Group (R)
13. International Signal and Control (R)
14. Terex Corporation (R)
15. Inwako (A)
16. TMG Engineering (K)
17. XYY Options, Inc (A)
USSR/Russia
1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R)
2. Niikhism (R)
3. Mars Rotor (R)
4. Livinvest (R)
5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K)
6. Amsar Trading (K)
Japan
1. Fanuc (A)
2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A)
3. NEC (A)
4. Osaka (A)
5. Waida (A)
The Netherlands
1.Melchemie B.V. (C)
2. KBS Holland B.V. (C)
3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K)
Belgium
1. Boehler Edelstahl (A)
2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C)
3. OIP Instrubel (K)
4. Phillips Petroleum (C)
5. Poudries Réunies Belge SA (R)
6. Sebatra (A)
7. Space Research Corp. (R)
Spain
1. Donabat (R)
2. Treblam (C)
3. Zayer (A)
Sweden
1. ABB (A)
2. Saab-Scania (R)
Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the
original in German.
Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included
in this list.
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70923 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70922] |
So, 22 Desember 2002 21:52  |
Annette
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Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, dat
hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak?
Annette
"Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com...
>
> Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm
>
>
>
>
> The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program
>
> Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December
> 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that
> supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to
> develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the
> report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had
> seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK,
> Germany, France, China, and elsewhere.
>
> Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily
> newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original,
> uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have
> been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten
> non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed
> the list, presented below.
>
>
> [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times,
> the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news
> outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)]
>
>
> Key
>
> A = nuclear weapon program
> B = biological weapon program
> C = chemical weapon program
> R = rocket program
> K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi
> Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants
>
>
>
> USA
>
> 1. Honeywell (R, K)
>
> 2. Spectra Physics (K)
>
> 3. Semetex (R)
>
> 4. TI Coating (A, K)
>
> 5. Unisys (A, K)
>
> 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K)
>
> 7. Tektronix (R, A)
>
> 8. Rockwell (K)
>
> 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
>
> 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
>
> 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K)
>
> 12. Dupont (A)
>
> 13. Eastman Kodak (R)
>
> 14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
>
> 15. Alcolac International (C)
>
> 16. Consarc (A)
>
> 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K)
>
> 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
>
> 19. Electronic Associates (R)
>
> 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>
> 21. Bechtel (K)
>
> 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R)
>
> 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
>
> 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
>
> "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50
> subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms
> business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers
> for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of
> Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence
> Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories."
>
>
>
> China
>
> 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K)
>
> 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K)
>
> 3. China State Missile Company (R)
>
>
>
> France
>
> 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A)
>
> 2. Sciaky (A)
>
> 3. Thomson CSF (A, K)
>
> 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R)
>
> 5. Cerbag (A)
>
> 6. Protec SA (C)
>
> 7. Thales Group (A)
>
> 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A)
>
>
>
> Great Britain
>
> 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A)
>
> 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A)
>
> 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A)
>
> 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>
> 5. MEED International (A, C)
>
> 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R)
>
> 7. International Computer Limited (A, K)
>
> 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A)
>
> 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A)
>
> 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of
> Defence)
>
> 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R)
>
> 12. Technology Development Group (R)
>
> 13. International Signal and Control (R)
>
> 14. Terex Corporation (R)
>
> 15. Inwako (A)
>
> 16. TMG Engineering (K)
>
> 17. XYY Options, Inc (A)
>
>
>
> USSR/Russia
>
> 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R)
>
> 2. Niikhism (R)
>
> 3. Mars Rotor (R)
>
> 4. Livinvest (R)
>
> 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K)
>
> 6. Amsar Trading (K)
>
>
>
> Japan
>
> 1. Fanuc (A)
>
> 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A)
>
> 3. NEC (A)
>
> 4. Osaka (A)
>
> 5. Waida (A)
>
>
>
> The Netherlands
>
> 1.Melchemie B.V. (C)
>
> 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C)
>
> 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K)
>
>
>
> Belgium
>
> 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A)
>
> 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C)
>
> 3. OIP Instrubel (K)
>
> 4. Phillips Petroleum (C)
>
> 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R)
>
> 6. Sebatra (A)
>
> 7. Space Research Corp. (R)
>
>
>
> Spain
>
> 1. Donabat (R)
>
> 2. Treblam (C)
>
> 3. Zayer (A)
>
>
>
> Sweden
>
> 1. ABB (A)
>
> 2. Saab-Scania (R)
>
>
> Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the
> original in German.
>
> Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included
> in this list.
>
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70926 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70923] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 06:00 |
Suidwester
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Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as
onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele gebruik
word? Dit wat ek weet van klandestiene wapenvervaardiging, is dat elke
komponent aangekoop word op 'n manier waarop die leweransier g'n idee het
van wat jy daarmee wil maak nie. Voor die komponent dan gebruik word, word
dit 'skoongemaak' sodat daar geen moontlike opspoorbaarheid is ná gebruik
nie. Ek neem aan die Irakse wapenprogram is hoogs geheim? Meeste
elektroniese komponente kan die wêreldoor gekoop word, maar dit kan van
dieselfde vervaardiger af kom. Miskien moet hulle bietjie dieper
soek.....eerder na die leweransiers van die komponente as na die
vervaardigers?
"Annette" skryf in boodskap news:au5ccj$4hjum$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de...
> Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, dat
> hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak?
> Annette
>
>
> "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message
> news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com...
>>
>> Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program
>>
>> Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December
>> 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that
>> supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to
>> develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the
>> report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had
>> seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK,
>> Germany, France, China, and elsewhere.
>>
>> Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily
>> newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original,
>> uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have
>> been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten
>> non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed
>> the list, presented below.
>>
>>
>> [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times,
>> the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news
>> outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)]
>>
>>
>> Key
>>
>> A = nuclear weapon program
>> B = biological weapon program
>> C = chemical weapon program
>> R = rocket program
>> K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi
>> Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants
>>
>>
>>
>> USA
>>
>> 1. Honeywell (R, K)
>>
>> 2. Spectra Physics (K)
>>
>> 3. Semetex (R)
>>
>> 4. TI Coating (A, K)
>>
>> 5. Unisys (A, K)
>>
>> 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K)
>>
>> 7. Tektronix (R, A)
>>
>> 8. Rockwell (K)
>>
>> 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
>>
>> 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
>>
>> 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K)
>>
>> 12. Dupont (A)
>>
>> 13. Eastman Kodak (R)
>>
>> 14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
>>
>> 15. Alcolac International (C)
>>
>> 16. Consarc (A)
>>
>> 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K)
>>
>> 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
>>
>> 19. Electronic Associates (R)
>>
>> 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>>
>> 21. Bechtel (K)
>>
>> 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R)
>>
>> 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
>>
>> 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
>>
>> "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50
>> subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms
>> business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers
>> for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of
>> Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence
>> Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories."
>>
>>
>>
>> China
>>
>> 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K)
>>
>> 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K)
>>
>> 3. China State Missile Company (R)
>>
>>
>>
>> France
>>
>> 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A)
>>
>> 2. Sciaky (A)
>>
>> 3. Thomson CSF (A, K)
>>
>> 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R)
>>
>> 5. Cerbag (A)
>>
>> 6. Protec SA (C)
>>
>> 7. Thales Group (A)
>>
>> 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A)
>>
>>
>>
>> Great Britain
>>
>> 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A)
>>
>> 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A)
>>
>> 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A)
>>
>> 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>>
>> 5. MEED International (A, C)
>>
>> 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R)
>>
>> 7. International Computer Limited (A, K)
>>
>> 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A)
>>
>> 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A)
>>
>> 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of
>> Defence)
>>
>> 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R)
>>
>> 12. Technology Development Group (R)
>>
>> 13. International Signal and Control (R)
>>
>> 14. Terex Corporation (R)
>>
>> 15. Inwako (A)
>>
>> 16. TMG Engineering (K)
>>
>> 17. XYY Options, Inc (A)
>>
>>
>>
>> USSR/Russia
>>
>> 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R)
>>
>> 2. Niikhism (R)
>>
>> 3. Mars Rotor (R)
>>
>> 4. Livinvest (R)
>>
>> 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K)
>>
>> 6. Amsar Trading (K)
>>
>>
>>
>> Japan
>>
>> 1. Fanuc (A)
>>
>> 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A)
>>
>> 3. NEC (A)
>>
>> 4. Osaka (A)
>>
>> 5. Waida (A)
>>
>>
>>
>> The Netherlands
>>
>> 1.Melchemie B.V. (C)
>>
>> 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C)
>>
>> 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K)
>>
>>
>>
>> Belgium
>>
>> 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A)
>>
>> 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C)
>>
>> 3. OIP Instrubel (K)
>>
>> 4. Phillips Petroleum (C)
>>
>> 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R)
>>
>> 6. Sebatra (A)
>>
>> 7. Space Research Corp. (R)
>>
>>
>>
>> Spain
>>
>> 1. Donabat (R)
>>
>> 2. Treblam (C)
>>
>> 3. Zayer (A)
>>
>>
>>
>> Sweden
>>
>> 1. ABB (A)
>>
>> 2. Saab-Scania (R)
>>
>>
>> Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the
>> original in German.
>>
>> Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included
>> in this list.
>>
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70927 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70926] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 06:13 |
Annette
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Mag miskien wees - maar dit sal 'n uiters onskuldige voorsiener wees wat nie
sal weet waarvoor die verskillende komponente wat hy verkoop gebruik kan
word nie. Deel van die sales pitch.
Maar jy is reg - gaan in die eerste plek na die vervaardigers - dan gaan 'n
veel groter blik wurms oopgevlek word.
Annette
"Suidwester" skryf in boodskap news:3e06a6a0.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
> Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as
> onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele gebruik
> word? Dit wat ek weet van klandestiene wapenvervaardiging, is dat elke
> komponent aangekoop word op 'n manier waarop die leweransier g'n idee het
> van wat jy daarmee wil maak nie. Voor die komponent dan gebruik word, word
> dit 'skoongemaak' sodat daar geen moontlike opspoorbaarheid is ná gebruik
> nie. Ek neem aan die Irakse wapenprogram is hoogs geheim? Meeste
> elektroniese komponente kan die wêreldoor gekoop word, maar dit kan van
> dieselfde vervaardiger af kom. Miskien moet hulle bietjie dieper
> soek.....eerder na die leweransiers van die komponente as na die
> vervaardigers?
> "Annette" wrote in message
> news:au5ccj$4hjum$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de...
>> Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, dat
>> hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak?
>> Annette
>>
>>
>> "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message
>> news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program
>>>
>>> Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December
>>> 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that
>>> supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to
>>> develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the
>>> report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had
>>> seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK,
>>> Germany, France, China, and elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily
>>> newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original,
>>> uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have
>>> been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten
>>> non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed
>>> the list, presented below.
>>>
>>>
>>> [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times,
>>> the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news
>>> outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)]
>>>
>>>
>>> Key
>>>
>>> A = nuclear weapon program
>>> B = biological weapon program
>>> C = chemical weapon program
>>> R = rocket program
>>> K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi
>>> Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> USA
>>>
>>> 1. Honeywell (R, K)
>>>
>>> 2. Spectra Physics (K)
>>>
>>> 3. Semetex (R)
>>>
>>> 4. TI Coating (A, K)
>>>
>>> 5. Unisys (A, K)
>>>
>>> 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K)
>>>
>>> 7. Tektronix (R, A)
>>>
>>> 8. Rockwell (K)
>>>
>>> 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
>>>
>>> 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
>>>
>>> 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K)
>>>
>>> 12. Dupont (A)
>>>
>>> 13. Eastman Kodak (R)
>>>
>>> 14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
>>>
>>> 15. Alcolac International (C)
>>>
>>> 16. Consarc (A)
>>>
>>> 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K)
>>>
>>> 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
>>>
>>> 19. Electronic Associates (R)
>>>
>>> 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>>>
>>> 21. Bechtel (K)
>>>
>>> 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R)
>>>
>>> 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
>>>
>>> 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
>>>
>>> "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50
>>> subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms
>>> business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers
>>> for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of
>>> Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence
>>> Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> China
>>>
>>> 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K)
>>>
>>> 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K)
>>>
>>> 3. China State Missile Company (R)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> France
>>>
>>> 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A)
>>>
>>> 2. Sciaky (A)
>>>
>>> 3. Thomson CSF (A, K)
>>>
>>> 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R)
>>>
>>> 5. Cerbag (A)
>>>
>>> 6. Protec SA (C)
>>>
>>> 7. Thales Group (A)
>>>
>>> 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Great Britain
>>>
>>> 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A)
>>>
>>> 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A)
>>>
>>> 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A)
>>>
>>> 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>>>
>>> 5. MEED International (A, C)
>>>
>>> 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R)
>>>
>>> 7. International Computer Limited (A, K)
>>>
>>> 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A)
>>>
>>> 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A)
>>>
>>> 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of
>>> Defence)
>>>
>>> 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R)
>>>
>>> 12. Technology Development Group (R)
>>>
>>> 13. International Signal and Control (R)
>>>
>>> 14. Terex Corporation (R)
>>>
>>> 15. Inwako (A)
>>>
>>> 16. TMG Engineering (K)
>>>
>>> 17. XYY Options, Inc (A)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> USSR/Russia
>>>
>>> 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R)
>>>
>>> 2. Niikhism (R)
>>>
>>> 3. Mars Rotor (R)
>>>
>>> 4. Livinvest (R)
>>>
>>> 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K)
>>>
>>> 6. Amsar Trading (K)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Japan
>>>
>>> 1. Fanuc (A)
>>>
>>> 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A)
>>>
>>> 3. NEC (A)
>>>
>>> 4. Osaka (A)
>>>
>>> 5. Waida (A)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Netherlands
>>>
>>> 1.Melchemie B.V. (C)
>>>
>>> 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C)
>>>
>>> 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Belgium
>>>
>>> 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A)
>>>
>>> 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C)
>>>
>>> 3. OIP Instrubel (K)
>>>
>>> 4. Phillips Petroleum (C)
>>>
>>> 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R)
>>>
>>> 6. Sebatra (A)
>>>
>>> 7. Space Research Corp. (R)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Spain
>>>
>>> 1. Donabat (R)
>>>
>>> 2. Treblam (C)
>>>
>>> 3. Zayer (A)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sweden
>>>
>>> 1. ABB (A)
>>>
>>> 2. Saab-Scania (R)
>>>
>>>
>>> Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the
>>> original in German.
>>>
>>> Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included
>>> in this list.
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70930 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70927] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 07:10 |
Suidwester
Boodskappe: 1579
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Jy lees my verkeerd....gaan eers na die verspreiders. Ek gaan vir jou 'n
voorbeeld gee. Jy kan bv. 'n Walkie-Talkie radio orals in die wêreld koop,
maar jy kry gevorderde goete daarvan......dis daarmee dat bomme afgesit
word. Jy sal vind dat die vervaardigers en agente goed weet met wie hulle
nie mag deel nie en dus nie die radio aan jou sal verkoop nie. Die kuns
van die wapenvervaardiger lê dan juis om 'n ompadsisteem van aankope te skep
waardeur die radio in die hande gekry kan kan word. Om nou die
vervaardiger van die radio te blameer, is nie regverdig nie. So kan 'n kar
gebruik word om mense dood te ry en is die vervaardiger dan skuldig omdat
van sy produk misbruik gemaak is?
Die wapenstelsels waarvan gepraat word bestaan uit duisende der duisende
komponente waarvan elk ook vir duisende verskillende ONSKULDIGE gebruike
aangewend kan word. Moet jy dan nou tegnologiese vooruitgang oor die
algemeen stop net omdat daar 'n mal vark in Irak is wat kernwapens wil bou?
Glo my, die geodkoopste uitweg sal wees om daai mal vark kaal af te slag!
"Annette" skryf in boodskap news:au69hu$4kheb$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de...
> Mag miskien wees - maar dit sal 'n uiters onskuldige voorsiener wees wat nie
> sal weet waarvoor die verskillende komponente wat hy verkoop gebruik kan
> word nie. Deel van die sales pitch.
> Maar jy is reg - gaan in die eerste plek na die vervaardigers - dan gaan 'n
> veel groter blik wurms oopgevlek word.
>
> Annette
>
>
> "Suidwester" wrote in message
> news:3e06a6a0.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>> Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as
>> onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele gebruik
>> word? Dit wat ek weet van klandestiene wapenvervaardiging, is dat elke
>> komponent aangekoop word op 'n manier waarop die leweransier g'n idee het
>> van wat jy daarmee wil maak nie. Voor die komponent dan gebruik word,
> word
>> dit 'skoongemaak' sodat daar geen moontlike opspoorbaarheid is n� gebruik
>> nie. Ek neem aan die Irakse wapenprogram is hoogs geheim? Meeste
>> elektroniese komponente kan die wêreldoor gekoop word, maar dit kan van
>> dieselfde vervaardiger af kom. Miskien moet hulle bietjie dieper
>> soek.....eerder na die leweransiers van die komponente as na die
>> vervaardigers?
>> "Annette" wrote in message
>> news:au5ccj$4hjum$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de...
>>> Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, dat
>>> hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak?
>>> Annette
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message
>>> news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program
>>>>
>>>> Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December
>>>> 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that
>>>> supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to
>>>> develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the
>>>> report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had
>>>> seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK,
>>>> Germany, France, China, and elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily
>>>> newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original,
>>>> uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have
>>>> been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten
>>>> non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed
>>>> the list, presented below.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times,
>>>> the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news
>>>> outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Key
>>>>
>>>> A = nuclear weapon program
>>>> B = biological weapon program
>>>> C = chemical weapon program
>>>> R = rocket program
>>>> K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi
>>>> Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> USA
>>>>
>>>> 1. Honeywell (R, K)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Spectra Physics (K)
>>>>
>>>> 3. Semetex (R)
>>>>
>>>> 4. TI Coating (A, K)
>>>>
>>>> 5. Unisys (A, K)
>>>>
>>>> 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K)
>>>>
>>>> 7. Tektronix (R, A)
>>>>
>>>> 8. Rockwell (K)
>>>>
>>>> 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
>>>>
>>>> 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
>>>>
>>>> 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K)
>>>>
>>>> 12. Dupont (A)
>>>>
>>>> 13. Eastman Kodak (R)
>>>>
>>>> 14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
>>>>
>>>> 15. Alcolac International (C)
>>>>
>>>> 16. Consarc (A)
>>>>
>>>> 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K)
>>>>
>>>> 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
>>>>
>>>> 19. Electronic Associates (R)
>>>>
>>>> 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>>>>
>>>> 21. Bechtel (K)
>>>>
>>>> 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R)
>>>>
>>>> 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
>>>>
>>>> 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
>>>>
>>>> "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50
>>>> subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms
>>>> business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers
>>>> for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of
>>>> Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence
>>>> Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> China
>>>>
>>>> 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K)
>>>>
>>>> 3. China State Missile Company (R)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> France
>>>>
>>>> 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Sciaky (A)
>>>>
>>>> 3. Thomson CSF (A, K)
>>>>
>>>> 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R)
>>>>
>>>> 5. Cerbag (A)
>>>>
>>>> 6. Protec SA (C)
>>>>
>>>> 7. Thales Group (A)
>>>>
>>>> 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Great Britain
>>>>
>>>> 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A)
>>>>
>>>> 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A)
>>>>
>>>> 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A)
>>>>
>>>> 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>>>>
>>>> 5. MEED International (A, C)
>>>>
>>>> 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R)
>>>>
>>>> 7. International Computer Limited (A, K)
>>>>
>>>> 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A)
>>>>
>>>> 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A)
>>>>
>>>> 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of
>>>> Defence)
>>>>
>>>> 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R)
>>>>
>>>> 12. Technology Development Group (R)
>>>>
>>>> 13. International Signal and Control (R)
>>>>
>>>> 14. Terex Corporation (R)
>>>>
>>>> 15. Inwako (A)
>>>>
>>>> 16. TMG Engineering (K)
>>>>
>>>> 17. XYY Options, Inc (A)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> USSR/Russia
>>>>
>>>> 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Niikhism (R)
>>>>
>>>> 3. Mars Rotor (R)
>>>>
>>>> 4. Livinvest (R)
>>>>
>>>> 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K)
>>>>
>>>> 6. Amsar Trading (K)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Japan
>>>>
>>>> 1. Fanuc (A)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A)
>>>>
>>>> 3. NEC (A)
>>>>
>>>> 4. Osaka (A)
>>>>
>>>> 5. Waida (A)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>
>>>> 1.Melchemie B.V. (C)
>>>>
>>>> 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C)
>>>>
>>>> 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Belgium
>>>>
>>>> 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A)
>>>>
>>>> 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C)
>>>>
>>>> 3. OIP Instrubel (K)
>>>>
>>>> 4. Phillips Petroleum (C)
>>>>
>>>> 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R)
>>>>
>>>> 6. Sebatra (A)
>>>>
>>>> 7. Space Research Corp. (R)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spain
>>>>
>>>> 1. Donabat (R)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Treblam (C)
>>>>
>>>> 3. Zayer (A)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sweden
>>>>
>>>> 1. ABB (A)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Saab-Scania (R)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the
>>>> original in German.
>>>>
>>>> Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included
>>>> in this list.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70931 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70930] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 07:39 |
Annette
Boodskappe: 11114
Geregistreer: Augustus 2003
Karma: 1
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Ek lees jou nie verkeerd nie - wil net hê dat jy weer 'n bietjie opgewonde
oor iets moet raak:))
Wat is die gevoel ivm Sadam van sy Buurlande en sy ander vriende - sal hulle
so 'n oorlog verwelkom?
Annette
"Suidwester" skryf in boodskap news:3e06b6e4.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
> Jy lees my verkeerd....gaan eers na die verspreiders. Ek gaan vir jou 'n
> voorbeeld gee. Jy kan bv. 'n Walkie-Talkie radio orals in die wêreld koop,
> maar jy kry gevorderde goete daarvan......dis daarmee dat bomme afgesit
> word. Jy sal vind dat die vervaardigers en agente goed weet met wie hulle
> nie mag deel nie en dus nie die radio aan jou sal verkoop nie. Die kuns
> van die wapenvervaardiger lê dan juis om 'n ompadsisteem van aankope te skep
> waardeur die radio in die hande gekry kan kan word. Om nou die
> vervaardiger van die radio te blameer, is nie regverdig nie. So kan 'n kar
> gebruik word om mense dood te ry en is die vervaardiger dan skuldig omdat
> van sy produk misbruik gemaak is?
> Die wapenstelsels waarvan gepraat word bestaan uit duisende der duisende
> komponente waarvan elk ook vir duisende verskillende ONSKULDIGE gebruike
> aangewend kan word. Moet jy dan nou tegnologiese vooruitgang oor die
> algemeen stop net omdat daar 'n mal vark in Irak is wat kernwapens wil bou?
> Glo my, die geodkoopste uitweg sal wees om daai mal vark kaal af te slag!
> "Annette" wrote in message
> news:au69hu$4kheb$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de...
>> Mag miskien wees - maar dit sal 'n uiters onskuldige voorsiener wees wat
> nie
>> sal weet waarvoor die verskillende komponente wat hy verkoop gebruik kan
>> word nie. Deel van die sales pitch.
>> Maar jy is reg - gaan in die eerste plek na die vervaardigers - dan gaan
> 'n
>> veel groter blik wurms oopgevlek word.
>>
>> Annette
>>
>>
>> "Suidwester" wrote in message
>> news:3e06a6a0.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>>> Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as
>>> onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele
> gebruik
>>> word? Dit wat ek weet van klandestiene wapenvervaardiging, is dat elke
>>> komponent aangekoop word op 'n manier waarop die leweransier g'n idee
> het
>>> van wat jy daarmee wil maak nie. Voor die komponent dan gebruik
word,
>> word
>>> dit 'skoongemaak' sodat daar geen moontlike opspoorbaarheid is n�
> gebruik
>>> nie. Ek neem aan die Irakse wapenprogram is hoogs geheim? Meeste
>>> elektroniese komponente kan die wêreldoor gekoop word, maar dit kan van
>>> dieselfde vervaardiger af kom. Miskien moet hulle bietjie dieper
>>> soek.....eerder na die leweransiers van die komponente as na die
>>> vervaardigers?
>>> "Annette" wrote in message
>>> news:au5ccj$4hjum$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de...
>>>> Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het,
> dat
>>>> hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak?
>>>> Annette
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message
>>>> news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com...
>>>> >
>>>> > Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program
>>>> >
>>>> > Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December
>>>> > 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that
>>>> > supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to
>>>> > develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the
>>>> > report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who
> had
>>>> > seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK,
>>>> > Germany, France, China, and elsewhere.
>>>> >
>>>> > Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German
> daily
>>>> > newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original,
>>>> > uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have
>>>> > been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten
>>>> > non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has
> printed
>>>> > the list, presented below.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial
> Times,
>>>> > the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news
>>>> > outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)]
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Key
>>>> >
>>>> > A = nuclear weapon program
>>>> > B = biological weapon program
>>>> > C = chemical weapon program
>>>> > R = rocket program
>>>> > K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi
>>>> > Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > USA
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Honeywell (R, K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. Spectra Physics (K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. Semetex (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 4. TI Coating (A, K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 5. Unisys (A, K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 7. Tektronix (R, A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 8. Rockwell (K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 12. Dupont (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 13. Eastman Kodak (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
>>>> >
>>>> > 15. Alcolac International (C)
>>>> >
>>>> > 16. Consarc (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 19. Electronic Associates (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 21. Bechtel (K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50
>>>> > subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms
>>>> > business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers
>>>> > for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of
>>>> > Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence
>>>> > Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories."
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > China
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. China State Missile Company (R)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > France
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. Sciaky (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. Thomson CSF (A, K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 5. Cerbag (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 6. Protec SA (C)
>>>> >
>>>> > 7. Thales Group (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Great Britain
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 5. MEED International (A, C)
>>>> >
>>>> > 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 7. International Computer Limited (A, K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of
>>>> > Defence)
>>>> >
>>>> > 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 12. Technology Development Group (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 13. International Signal and Control (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 14. Terex Corporation (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 15. Inwako (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 16. TMG Engineering (K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 17. XYY Options, Inc (A)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > USSR/Russia
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. Niikhism (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. Mars Rotor (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 4. Livinvest (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 6. Amsar Trading (K)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Japan
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Fanuc (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. NEC (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 4. Osaka (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 5. Waida (A)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The Netherlands
>>>> >
>>>> > 1.Melchemie B.V. (C)
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C)
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Belgium
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C)
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. OIP Instrubel (K)
>>>> >
>>>> > 4. Phillips Petroleum (C)
>>>> >
>>>> > 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 6. Sebatra (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 7. Space Research Corp. (R)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Spain
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Donabat (R)
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. Treblam (C)
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. Zayer (A)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Sweden
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. ABB (A)
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. Saab-Scania (R)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the
>>>> > original in German.
>>>> >
>>>> > Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included
>>>> > in this list.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70934 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70926] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 08:34 |
Ferdi Greyling
Boodskappe: 1232
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On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:00:56 +0200, "Suidwester" wrote:
> Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as
> onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele gebruik
> word?
Moet hulle nie geinspekteer word deur die VN nie?
Ek meen, die doel van die hele ding is mos sekerlik om wapens van
massa-vernietiging uit onverantwoordelike hande te hou, is dit nie?
En jy kry nie meer onveranteoordelik as maatskappye wat bereid is om
te verkoop aan wie ookal die geld het nie....
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70937 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70934] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 09:19 |
Suidwester
Boodskappe: 1579
Geregistreer: Augustus 2003
Karma: 0
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Senior Lid |
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Kom ek stel dit vir jou so: Wapenstelsels van moderne aard is elektronies
geweldig gekompliseerd. Kom ons vat 'n algemene ding soos 'n weerstand.
Jy sal hom kry in jou huiswekker en jy sal hom kry in 'n atoombom. Raak jy
nou meer tegnies, dan kan jy 'n kringbaan vir 'n wekker ontwerp en net so 'n
paar draaie bysit wat geen normale mens sal kan uitwerk of voor sal omgee
nie en jy kan 'n bom daarmee afsit! So kan jy 'n 100 gewone bedwekkers
ondersoek en jy sal vind dat nie een van hulle bv 'n batterysterkte genoeg
het om 'n detoneerder te laat 'klap' nie. So nou soek jy vir 'n wekker wat
ontwerp is vir 'n sterker battery en op die ou end is dit dalk Piet Pompies
se agterplaaswekkerfabriek in Garies wat die wekkers maak. Om hom nie
agterdogtig te maak nie, stuur jy jou maat wat motors verkoop om die wekkers
aan te koop en vertel vir ou Piet dat die wekkers vir geskenke weggegee
word. Intussen blaas hulle dalk geboue daarmee op. Wat sal 'n inspeksie
by Piet Pompies se fabriek in elk geval help? Hyself weet nie eers wie die
kroeks is nie! Dis presies wat ELKE land se weermag doen. Wapens se
komponente word klandestien aangekoop spesifiek vir die rede dat dit nie
nagespoor moet word nie! Ek dink die wapeninspekteurs het nie veel van 'n
kans om die regte wapens te identifiseer in elk geval nie. Sadam soek in
elk geval al lank vir bloedkeel....
"Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:mhid0voe2jv4ehb3vplb4rr4999pscgig1@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:00:56 +0200, "Suidwester"
> wrote:
>
> as
>> onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele gebruik
>> word?
>
> Moet hulle nie geinspekteer word deur die VN nie?
>
> Ek meen, die doel van die hele ding is mos sekerlik om wapens van
> massa-vernietiging uit onverantwoordelike hande te hou, is dit nie?
>
> En jy kry nie meer onveranteoordelik as maatskappye wat bereid is om
> te verkoop aan wie ookal die geld het nie....
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70938 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70923] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 09:21 |
Andrew Taylor
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Of die duif kom huise toe na gaan slaap!
(The pigeon comes home to roost)
On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:52:02 +0200, "Annette" wrote:
> Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, dat
> hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak?
> Annette
>
>
> "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message
> news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com...
>> Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm
>> The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program
>> Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December
>> 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that
>> supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to
>> develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the
>> report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had
>> seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK,
>> Germany, France, China, and elsewhere.
>> Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily
>> newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original,
>> uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have
>> been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten
>> non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed
>> the list, presented below.
>> [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times,
>> the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news
>> outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)]
>> Key
>> A = nuclear weapon program
>> B = biological weapon program
>> C = chemical weapon program
>> R = rocket program
>> K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi
>> Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants
>> USA
>> 1. Honeywell (R, K)
>> 2. Spectra Physics (K)
>> 3. Semetex (R)
>> 4. TI Coating (A, K)
>> 5. Unisys (A, K)
>> 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K)
>> 7. Tektronix (R, A)
>> 8. Rockwell (K)
>> 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
>> 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
>> 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K)
>> 12. Dupont (A)
>> 13. Eastman Kodak (R)
>> 14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
>> 15. Alcolac International (C)
>> 16. Consarc (A)
>> 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K)
>> 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
>> 19. Electronic Associates (R)
>> 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>> 21. Bechtel (K)
>> 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R)
>> 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
>> 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
>> "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50
>> subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms
>> business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers
>> for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of
>> Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence
>> Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories."
>> China
>> 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K)
>> 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K)
>> 3. China State Missile Company (R)
>> France
>> 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A)
>> 2. Sciaky (A)
>> 3. Thomson CSF (A, K)
>> 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R)
>> 5. Cerbag (A)
>> 6. Protec SA (C)
>> 7. Thales Group (A)
>> 8. Societé Général pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A)
>> Great Britain
>> 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A)
>> 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A)
>> 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A)
>> 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>> 5. MEED International (A, C)
>> 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R)
>> 7. International Computer Limited (A, K)
>> 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A)
>> 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A)
>> 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of
>> Defence)
>> 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R)
>> 12. Technology Development Group (R)
>> 13. International Signal and Control (R)
>> 14. Terex Corporation (R)
>> 15. Inwako (A)
>> 16. TMG Engineering (K)
>> 17. XYY Options, Inc (A)
>> USSR/Russia
>> 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R)
>> 2. Niikhism (R)
>> 3. Mars Rotor (R)
>> 4. Livinvest (R)
>> 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K)
>> 6. Amsar Trading (K)
>> Japan
>> 1. Fanuc (A)
>> 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A)
>> 3. NEC (A)
>> 4. Osaka (A)
>> 5. Waida (A)
>> The Netherlands
>> 1.Melchemie B.V. (C)
>> 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C)
>> 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K)
>> Belgium
>> 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A)
>> 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C)
>> 3. OIP Instrubel (K)
>> 4. Phillips Petroleum (C)
>> 5. Poudries Réunies Belge SA (R)
>> 6. Sebatra (A)
>> 7. Space Research Corp. (R)
>> Spain
>> 1. Donabat (R)
>> 2. Treblam (C)
>> 3. Zayer (A)
>> Sweden
>> 1. ABB (A)
>> 2. Saab-Scania (R)
>> Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the
>> original in German.
>> Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included
>> in this list.
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70939 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70931] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 09:30 |
Suidwester
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Dis 'n moeilike vraag om te antwoord. mens sou dink dat Sadam bietjie vir
bietjie in sy broek sou skeit net by die gedagte dat Amerika hom sou aanval
want daar is geen manier waarop hy die Amerikaners kan aanvat nie. Mens
soek darem mos nie ook moeilikheid met iemand wat jou verseker gaan moer
nie. Tensy......daar 'n ander rede is hoekom hy soek die VSA moet hom looi
sodat hy 'n rede kan kry om te retalie�r? En 'n man wat sy eie mense vir
die val van 'n hoed teregstel, sal geen gewetenswroeging hê om 'n 'vuil' bom
of chemiese aanvalle te loods op die Amerikaners, die VSA of Israel wat
heelwat nader is nie. Ek glo Sadam sal nie 'n oomblik twyfel as hy 'n
wêreldoorlog kan ontketen nie want dis hoe hy sy toekoms sien......groter
mag vir hom en vir Islam.
Ek sou dink die Amerikaners moet inspring en hierdie keer die ding
ordentlik doen. Hulle het 'n kernwapen wat in die grond penetreer en dan
met die geweldige hitte wat gegenereer word die rots en aarde saamsmelt en
se�l waar hy tref en as jou ondergrondse bunker nou juis daar is, dan is
jyself in die eerste plek 'n kai�ng en die wêreld sal nooit weer van jou
hoor of sien nie. Sadam gaan hierdie keer ongelooflike stupid dinge
doen.......dit sou beter vir die wêreld wees as hy in die kiem gesmoor kon
word.
"Annette" skryf in boodskap news:au6ek6$4met1$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de...
> Ek lees jou nie verkeerd nie - wil net hê dat jy weer 'n bietjie opgewonde
> oor iets moet raak:))
> Wat is die gevoel ivm Sadam van sy Buurlande en sy ander vriende - sal hulle
> so 'n oorlog verwelkom?
> Annette
>
>
> "Suidwester" wrote in message
> news:3e06b6e4.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>> Jy lees my verkeerd....gaan eers na die verspreiders. Ek gaan vir jou 'n
>> voorbeeld gee. Jy kan bv. 'n Walkie-Talkie radio orals in die wêreld
> koop,
>> maar jy kry gevorderde goete daarvan......dis daarmee dat bomme afgesit
>> word. Jy sal vind dat die vervaardigers en agente goed weet met wie
> hulle
>> nie mag deel nie en dus nie die radio aan jou sal verkoop nie. Die kuns
>> van die wapenvervaardiger lê dan juis om 'n ompadsisteem van aankope te
> skep
>> waardeur die radio in die hande gekry kan kan word. Om nou die
>> vervaardiger van die radio te blameer, is nie regverdig nie. So kan 'n
> kar
>> gebruik word om mense dood te ry en is die vervaardiger dan skuldig omdat
>> van sy produk misbruik gemaak is?
>> Die wapenstelsels waarvan gepraat word bestaan uit duisende der
> duisende
>> komponente waarvan elk ook vir duisende verskillende ONSKULDIGE gebruike
>> aangewend kan word. Moet jy dan nou tegnologiese vooruitgang oor die
>> algemeen stop net omdat daar 'n mal vark in Irak is wat kernwapens wil
> bou?
>> Glo my, die geodkoopste uitweg sal wees om daai mal vark kaal af te slag!
>> "Annette" wrote in message
>> news:au69hu$4kheb$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de...
>>> Mag miskien wees - maar dit sal 'n uiters onskuldige voorsiener wees
wat
>> nie
>>> sal weet waarvoor die verskillende komponente wat hy verkoop gebruik kan
>>> word nie. Deel van die sales pitch.
>>> Maar jy is reg - gaan in die eerste plek na die vervaardigers - dan
gaan
>> 'n
>>> veel groter blik wurms oopgevlek word.
>>>
>>> Annette
>>>
>>>
>>> "Suidwester" wrote in message
>>> news:3e06a6a0.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>>>> Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as
>>>> onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele
>> gebruik
>>>> word? Dit wat ek weet van klandestiene wapenvervaardiging, is dat
> elke
>>>> komponent aangekoop word op 'n manier waarop die leweransier g'n
idee
>> het
>>>> van wat jy daarmee wil maak nie. Voor die komponent dan gebruik
> word,
>>> word
>>>> dit 'skoongemaak' sodat daar geen moontlike opspoorbaarheid is n�
>> gebruik
>>>> nie. Ek neem aan die Irakse wapenprogram is hoogs geheim? Meeste
>>>> elektroniese komponente kan die wêreldoor gekoop word, maar dit kan
> van
>>>> dieselfde vervaardiger af kom. Miskien moet hulle bietjie dieper
>>>> soek.....eerder na die leweransiers van die komponente as na die
>>>> vervaardigers?
>>>> "Annette" wrote in message
>>>> news:au5ccj$4hjum$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de...
>>>> > Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed
het,
>> dat
>>>> > hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak?
>>>> > Annette
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message
>>>> > news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com...
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7
> December
>>>> > > 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that
>>>> > > supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to
>>>> > > develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the
>>>> > > report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources
who
>> had
>>>> > > seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK,
>>>> > > Germany, France, China, and elsewhere.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German
>> daily
>>>> > > newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original,
>>>> > > uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations
> have
>>>> > > been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten
>>>> > > non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has
>> printed
>>>> > > the list, presented below.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial
>> Times,
>>>> > > the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news
>>>> > > outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)]
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Key
>>>> > >
>>>> > > A = nuclear weapon program
>>>> > > B = biological weapon program
>>>> > > C = chemical weapon program
>>>> > > R = rocket program
>>>> > > K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the
> Iraqi
>>>> > > Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > USA
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. Honeywell (R, K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2. Spectra Physics (K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 3. Semetex (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 4. TI Coating (A, K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 5. Unisys (A, K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 7. Tektronix (R, A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 8. Rockwell (K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 12. Dupont (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 13. Eastman Kodak (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 15. Alcolac International (C)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 16. Consarc (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 19. Electronic Associates (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 21. Bechtel (K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50
>>>> > > subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms
>>>> > > business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as
> suppliers
>>>> > > for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of
>>>> > > Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence
>>>> > > Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories."
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > China
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 3. China State Missile Company (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > France
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2. Sciaky (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 3. Thomson CSF (A, K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 5. Cerbag (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 6. Protec SA (C)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 7. Thales Group (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Great Britain
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 5. MEED International (A, C)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 7. International Computer Limited (A, K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry
> of
>>>> > > Defence)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 12. Technology Development Group (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 13. International Signal and Control (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 14. Terex Corporation (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 15. Inwako (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 16. TMG Engineering (K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 17. XYY Options, Inc (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > USSR/Russia
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2. Niikhism (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 3. Mars Rotor (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 4. Livinvest (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 6. Amsar Trading (K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Japan
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. Fanuc (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 3. NEC (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 4. Osaka (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 5. Waida (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > The Netherlands
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1.Melchemie B.V. (C)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Belgium
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 3. OIP Instrubel (K)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 4. Phillips Petroleum (C)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 6. Sebatra (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 7. Space Research Corp. (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Spain
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. Donabat (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2. Treblam (C)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 3. Zayer (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Sweden
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. ABB (A)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2. Saab-Scania (R)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the
>>>> > > original in German.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not
> included
>>>> > > in this list.
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70947 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70937] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 11:26 |
Ferdi Greyling
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Die konteks waarin die ding geplaas moet word, is omvattende sanksies
van die VN teen Irak vir die afgelope 10 jaar al. Tot so 'n mate dat
medisyne nie na die land toe gaan nie, tot so 'n mate dat
watersuiwering jare al nie meer in Irak gedoen word nie.
Met ander woorde redelike ernstige sanksies.
Ek wonder of dit nie 'n geval is van sanksies teen Irak behalwe as
sekere maatskappye daarby kan geld maak en die Amerikaanse ekonomie
daarby baat nie.....
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:19:09 +0200, "Suidwester" wrote:
> Kom ek stel dit vir jou so: Wapenstelsels van moderne aard is elektronies
> geweldig gekompliseerd. Kom ons vat 'n algemene ding soos 'n weerstand.
> Jy sal hom kry in jou huiswekker en jy sal hom kry in 'n atoombom. Raak jy
> nou meer tegnies, dan kan jy 'n kringbaan vir 'n wekker ontwerp en net so 'n
> paar draaie bysit wat geen normale mens sal kan uitwerk of voor sal omgee
> nie en jy kan 'n bom daarmee afsit! So kan jy 'n 100 gewone bedwekkers
> ondersoek en jy sal vind dat nie een van hulle bv 'n batterysterkte genoeg
> het om 'n detoneerder te laat 'klap' nie. So nou soek jy vir 'n wekker wat
> ontwerp is vir 'n sterker battery en op die ou end is dit dalk Piet Pompies
> se agterplaaswekkerfabriek in Garies wat die wekkers maak. Om hom nie
> agterdogtig te maak nie, stuur jy jou maat wat motors verkoop om die wekkers
> aan te koop en vertel vir ou Piet dat die wekkers vir geskenke weggegee
> word. Intussen blaas hulle dalk geboue daarmee op. Wat sal 'n inspeksie
> by Piet Pompies se fabriek in elk geval help? Hyself weet nie eers wie die
> kroeks is nie! Dis presies wat ELKE land se weermag doen. Wapens se
> komponente word klandestien aangekoop spesifiek vir die rede dat dit nie
> nagespoor moet word nie! Ek dink die wapeninspekteurs het nie veel van 'n
> kans om die regte wapens te identifiseer in elk geval nie. Sadam soek in
> elk geval al lank vir bloedkeel....
> "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message
> news:mhid0voe2jv4ehb3vplb4rr4999pscgig1@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:00:56 +0200, "Suidwester"
>> wrote:
>> > as
>>> onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele
> gebruik
>>> word?
>> Moet hulle nie geinspekteer word deur die VN nie?
>> Ek meen, die doel van die hele ding is mos sekerlik om wapens van
>> massa-vernietiging uit onverantwoordelike hande te hou, is dit nie?
>> En jy kry nie meer onveranteoordelik as maatskappye wat bereid is om
>> te verkoop aan wie ookal die geld het nie....
>
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70950 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70939] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 11:34 |
Annette
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Ontspan, ontspan. Het nou net skelm in die Huisgenoot by PNA geloer, en die
waarsegger sê dat Saddam gaan boedel oorgee voordat die Amerikaners al die
onskuldige Iraki's ten hemele gaan skiet. Of hy nou natuurlik sal dood of
sy vrou hom gif gaan ingee word nie gesê nie;)))
Ek hoor sy twee seuns is ook maar aartjie na vaartjie - so miskien moet die
Iraki's maar die hele ou familie uitlewer sodat hulle daar in die koue kan
gaan sit en wag vir die wêreldhof se uitspraak.
Annette
"Suidwester" skryf in boodskap news:3e06d7b2.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
> Dis 'n moeilike vraag om te antwoord. mens sou dink dat Sadam bietjie vir
> bietjie in sy broek sou skeit net by die gedagte dat Amerika hom sou aanval
> want daar is geen manier waarop hy die Amerikaners kan aanvat nie. Mens
> soek darem mos nie ook moeilikheid met iemand wat jou verseker gaan moer
> nie. Tensy......daar 'n ander rede is hoekom hy soek die VSA moet hom looi
> sodat hy 'n rede kan kry om te retalie�r? En 'n man wat sy eie mense vir
> die val van 'n hoed teregstel, sal geen gewetenswroeging hê om 'n 'vuil' bom
> of chemiese aanvalle te loods op die Amerikaners, die VSA of Israel wat
> heelwat nader is nie. Ek glo Sadam sal nie 'n oomblik twyfel as hy 'n
> wêreldoorlog kan ontketen nie want dis hoe hy sy toekoms sien......groter
> mag vir hom en vir Islam.
> Ek sou dink die Amerikaners moet inspring en hierdie keer die ding
> ordentlik doen. Hulle het 'n kernwapen wat in die grond penetreer en dan
> met die geweldige hitte wat gegenereer word die rots en aarde saamsmelt en
> seël waar hy tref en as jou ondergrondse bunker nou juis daar is, dan is
> jyself in die eerste plek 'n kai�ng en die wêreld sal nooit weer van jou
> hoor of sien nie. Sadam gaan hierdie keer ongelooflike stupid dinge
> doen.......dit sou beter vir die wêreld wees as hy in die kiem gesmoor kon
> word.
> "Annette" wrote in message
> news:au6ek6$4met1$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de...
>> Ek lees jou nie verkeerd nie - wil net hê dat jy weer 'n bietjie opgewonde
>> oor iets moet raak:))
>> Wat is die gevoel ivm Sadam van sy Buurlande en sy ander vriende - sal
> hulle
>> so 'n oorlog verwelkom?
>> Annette
>>
>>
>> "Suidwester" wrote in message
>> news:3e06b6e4.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>>> Jy lees my verkeerd....gaan eers na die verspreiders. Ek gaan vir
jou
> 'n
>>> voorbeeld gee. Jy kan bv. 'n Walkie-Talkie radio orals in die wêreld
>> koop,
>>> maar jy kry gevorderde goete daarvan......dis daarmee dat bomme afgesit
>>> word. Jy sal vind dat die vervaardigers en agente goed weet met wie
>> hulle
>>> nie mag deel nie en dus nie die radio aan jou sal verkoop nie. Die
> kuns
>>> van die wapenvervaardiger lê dan juis om 'n ompadsisteem van aankope
te
>> skep
>>> waardeur die radio in die hande gekry kan kan word. Om nou die
>>> vervaardiger van die radio te blameer, is nie regverdig nie. So kan
'n
>> kar
>>> gebruik word om mense dood te ry en is die vervaardiger dan skuldig
> omdat
>>> van sy produk misbruik gemaak is?
>>> Die wapenstelsels waarvan gepraat word bestaan uit duisende der
>> duisende
>>> komponente waarvan elk ook vir duisende verskillende ONSKULDIGE gebruike
>>> aangewend kan word. Moet jy dan nou tegnologiese vooruitgang oor die
>>> algemeen stop net omdat daar 'n mal vark in Irak is wat kernwapens wil
>> bou?
>>> Glo my, die geodkoopste uitweg sal wees om daai mal vark kaal af te
> slag!
>>> "Annette" wrote in message
>>> news:au69hu$4kheb$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de...
>>>> Mag miskien wees - maar dit sal 'n uiters onskuldige voorsiener wees
> wat
>>> nie
>>>> sal weet waarvoor die verskillende komponente wat hy verkoop gebruik
> kan
>>>> word nie. Deel van die sales pitch.
>>>> Maar jy is reg - gaan in die eerste plek na die vervaardigers - dan
> gaan
>>> 'n
>>>> veel groter blik wurms oopgevlek word.
>>>>
>>>> Annette
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Suidwester" wrote in message
>>>> news:3e06a6a0.0@news1.mweb.co.za...
>>>> > Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as
>>>> > onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele
>>> gebruik
>>>> > word? Dit wat ek weet van klandestiene wapenvervaardiging, is
dat
>> elke
>>>> > komponent aangekoop word op 'n manier waarop die leweransier g'n
> idee
>>> het
>>>> > van wat jy daarmee wil maak nie. Voor die komponent dan gebruik
>> word,
>>>> word
>>>> > dit 'skoongemaak' sodat daar geen moontlike opspoorbaarheid is n�
>>> gebruik
>>>> > nie. Ek neem aan die Irakse wapenprogram is hoogs geheim? Meeste
>>>> > elektroniese komponente kan die wêreldoor gekoop word, maar dit
kan
>> van
>>>> > dieselfde vervaardiger af kom. Miskien moet hulle bietjie dieper
>>>> > soek.....eerder na die leweransiers van die komponente as na die
>>>> > vervaardigers?
>>>> > "Annette" wrote in message
>>>> > news:au5ccj$4hjum$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de...
>>>> > > Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed
> het,
>>> dat
>>>> > > hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak?
>>>> > > Annette
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message
>>>> > > news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com...
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7
>> December
>>>> > > > 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations
> that
>>>> > > > supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to
>>>> > > > develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after
> the
>>>> > > > report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources
> who
>>> had
>>>> > > > seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US,
> UK,
>>>> > > > Germany, France, China, and elsewhere.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist
German
>>> daily
>>>> > > > newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original,
>>>> > > > uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations
>> have
>>>> > > > been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten
>>>> > > > non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has
>>> printed
>>>> > > > the list, presented below.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > [read more about the leak at the Independent (London)
Financial
>>> Times,
>>>> > > > the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US
> news
>>>> > > > outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)]
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Key
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > A = nuclear weapon program
>>>> > > > B = biological weapon program
>>>> > > > C = chemical weapon program
>>>> > > > R = rocket program
>>>> > > > K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the
>> Iraqi
>>>> > > > Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > USA
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1. Honeywell (R, K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 2. Spectra Physics (K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 3. Semetex (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 4. TI Coating (A, K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 5. Unisys (A, K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 7. Tektronix (R, A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 8. Rockwell (K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 12. Dupont (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 13. Eastman Kodak (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 15. Alcolac International (C)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 16. Consarc (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 19. Electronic Associates (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 21. Bechtel (K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50
>>>> > > > subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms
>>>> > > > business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as
>> suppliers
>>>> > > > for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of
>>>> > > > Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence
>>>> > > > Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories."
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > China
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 3. China State Missile Company (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > France
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 2. Sciaky (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 3. Thomson CSF (A, K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 5. Cerbag (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 6. Protec SA (C)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 7. Thales Group (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Great Britain
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 5. MEED International (A, C)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 7. International Computer Limited (A, K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK
Ministry
>> of
>>>> > > > Defence)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 12. Technology Development Group (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 13. International Signal and Control (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 14. Terex Corporation (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 15. Inwako (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 16. TMG Engineering (K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 17. XYY Options, Inc (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > USSR/Russia
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 2. Niikhism (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 3. Mars Rotor (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 4. Livinvest (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 6. Amsar Trading (K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Japan
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1. Fanuc (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 3. NEC (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 4. Osaka (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 5. Waida (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > The Netherlands
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1.Melchemie B.V. (C)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Belgium
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 3. OIP Instrubel (K)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 4. Phillips Petroleum (C)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 6. Sebatra (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 7. Space Research Corp. (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Spain
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1. Donabat (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 2. Treblam (C)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 3. Zayer (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Sweden
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1. ABB (A)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 2. Saab-Scania (R)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the
>>>> > > > original in German.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not
>> included
>>>> > > > in this list.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70951 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70938] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 11:35 |
Annette
Boodskappe: 11114
Geregistreer: Augustus 2003
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Andrew, die Amerikaners gaan vreeslik vies vir jou wees as jy hul arend wat
wil land in 'n duif wat gerooster wil word verander;)))
Annette
"Andrew Taylor" skryf in boodskap news:svkd0v8tjio1qef3rdfab317gn715dgnp8@4ax.com...
> Of die duif kom huise toe na gaan slaap!
> (The pigeon comes home to roost)
>
>
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:52:02 +0200, "Annette"
> wrote:
>
>> Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, dat
>> hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak?
>> Annette
>>
>>
>> "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message
>> news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com...
>
>>> Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm
>
>
>
>
>>> The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program
>
>>> Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December
>>> 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that
>>> supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to
>>> develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the
>>> report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had
>>> seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK,
>>> Germany, France, China, and elsewhere.
>
>>> Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily
>>> newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original,
>>> uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have
>>> been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten
>>> non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed
>>> the list, presented below.
>
>
>>> [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times,
>>> the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news
>>> outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)]
>
>
>>> Key
>
>>> A = nuclear weapon program
>>> B = biological weapon program
>>> C = chemical weapon program
>>> R = rocket program
>>> K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi
>>> Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants
>
>
>
>>> USA
>
>>> 1. Honeywell (R, K)
>
>>> 2. Spectra Physics (K)
>
>>> 3. Semetex (R)
>
>>> 4. TI Coating (A, K)
>
>>> 5. Unisys (A, K)
>
>>> 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K)
>
>>> 7. Tektronix (R, A)
>
>>> 8. Rockwell (K)
>
>>> 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
>
>>> 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
>
>>> 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K)
>
>>> 12. Dupont (A)
>
>>> 13. Eastman Kodak (R)
>
>>> 14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
>
>>> 15. Alcolac International (C)
>
>>> 16. Consarc (A)
>
>>> 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K)
>
>>> 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
>
>>> 19. Electronic Associates (R)
>
>>> 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>
>>> 21. Bechtel (K)
>
>>> 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R)
>
>>> 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
>
>>> 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
>
>>> "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50
>>> subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms
>>> business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers
>>> for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of
>>> Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence
>>> Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories."
>
>
>
>>> China
>
>>> 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K)
>
>>> 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K)
>
>>> 3. China State Missile Company (R)
>
>
>
>>> France
>
>>> 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A)
>
>>> 2. Sciaky (A)
>
>>> 3. Thomson CSF (A, K)
>
>>> 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R)
>
>>> 5. Cerbag (A)
>
>>> 6. Protec SA (C)
>
>>> 7. Thales Group (A)
>
>>> 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A)
>
>
>
>>> Great Britain
>
>>> 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A)
>
>>> 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A)
>
>>> 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A)
>
>>> 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>
>>> 5. MEED International (A, C)
>
>>> 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R)
>
>>> 7. International Computer Limited (A, K)
>
>>> 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A)
>
>>> 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A)
>
>>> 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of
>>> Defence)
>
>>> 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R)
>
>>> 12. Technology Development Group (R)
>
>>> 13. International Signal and Control (R)
>
>>> 14. Terex Corporation (R)
>
>>> 15. Inwako (A)
>
>>> 16. TMG Engineering (K)
>
>>> 17. XYY Options, Inc (A)
>
>
>
>>> USSR/Russia
>
>>> 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R)
>
>>> 2. Niikhism (R)
>
>>> 3. Mars Rotor (R)
>
>>> 4. Livinvest (R)
>
>>> 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K)
>
>>> 6. Amsar Trading (K)
>
>
>
>>> Japan
>
>>> 1. Fanuc (A)
>
>>> 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A)
>
>>> 3. NEC (A)
>
>>> 4. Osaka (A)
>
>>> 5. Waida (A)
>
>
>
>>> The Netherlands
>
>>> 1.Melchemie B.V. (C)
>
>>> 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C)
>
>>> 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K)
>
>
>
>>> Belgium
>
>>> 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A)
>
>>> 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C)
>
>>> 3. OIP Instrubel (K)
>
>>> 4. Phillips Petroleum (C)
>
>>> 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R)
>
>>> 6. Sebatra (A)
>
>>> 7. Space Research Corp. (R)
>
>
>
>>> Spain
>
>>> 1. Donabat (R)
>
>>> 2. Treblam (C)
>
>>> 3. Zayer (A)
>
>
>
>>> Sweden
>
>>> 1. ABB (A)
>
>>> 2. Saab-Scania (R)
>
>
>>> Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the
>>> original in German.
>
>>> Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included
>>> in this list.
>
>>
>
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70959 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70947] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 18:13 |
Vusi
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Karma: 0
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Indien Sadam wapens kan smokkel dan kan hy seker maar medisyne ook smokkel?
Sadam is verantwoordelik vir sy eie mense se elende - hy het genoeg
cheimiese wapens gehad om teen die Kurse te gebruik - waarom nie medisyne
ontwikkel nie?
Tien uit tien vir die VSA wat die sielkundige oorlog teen Sadam loshande
wen.
"Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:visd0v0lmu3ggbeodvmj4hkv3vks6nr313@4ax.com...
>
> Die konteks waarin die ding geplaas moet word, is omvattende sanksies
> van die VN teen Irak vir die afgelope 10 jaar al. Tot so 'n mate dat
> medisyne nie na die land toe gaan nie, tot so 'n mate dat
> watersuiwering jare al nie meer in Irak gedoen word nie.
> Met ander woorde redelike ernstige sanksies.
>
> Ek wonder of dit nie 'n geval is van sanksies teen Irak behalwe as
> sekere maatskappye daarby kan geld maak en die Amerikaanse ekonomie
> daarby baat nie.....
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:19:09 +0200, "Suidwester"
> wrote:
>
>> Kom ek stel dit vir jou so: Wapenstelsels van moderne aard is elektronies
>> geweldig gekompliseerd. Kom ons vat 'n algemene ding soos 'n weerstand.
>> Jy sal hom kry in jou huiswekker en jy sal hom kry in 'n atoombom. Raak jy
>> nou meer tegnies, dan kan jy 'n kringbaan vir 'n wekker ontwerp en net so 'n
>> paar draaie bysit wat geen normale mens sal kan uitwerk of voor sal omgee
>> nie en jy kan 'n bom daarmee afsit! So kan jy 'n 100 gewone bedwekkers
>> ondersoek en jy sal vind dat nie een van hulle bv 'n batterysterkte genoeg
>> het om 'n detoneerder te laat 'klap' nie. So nou soek jy vir 'n wekker wat
>> ontwerp is vir 'n sterker battery en op die ou end is dit dalk Piet Pompies
>> se agterplaaswekkerfabriek in Garies wat die wekkers maak. Om hom nie
>> agterdogtig te maak nie, stuur jy jou maat wat motors verkoop om die wekkers
>> aan te koop en vertel vir ou Piet dat die wekkers vir geskenke weggegee
>> word. Intussen blaas hulle dalk geboue daarmee op. Wat sal 'n inspeksie
>> by Piet Pompies se fabriek in elk geval help? Hyself weet nie eers wie die
>> kroeks is nie! Dis presies wat ELKE land se weermag doen. Wapens se
>> komponente word klandestien aangekoop spesifiek vir die rede dat dit nie
>> nagespoor moet word nie! Ek dink die wapeninspekteurs het nie veel van 'n
>> kans om die regte wapens te identifiseer in elk geval nie. Sadam soek in
>> elk geval al lank vir bloedkeel....
>> "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message
>> news:mhid0voe2jv4ehb3vplb4rr4999pscgig1@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:00:56 +0200, "Suidwester"
>>> wrote:
>
>>> >> as
>>>> onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele
>> gebruik
>>>> word?
>
>>> Moet hulle nie geinspekteer word deur die VN nie?
>
>>> Ek meen, die doel van die hele ding is mos sekerlik om wapens van
>>> massa-vernietiging uit onverantwoordelike hande te hou, is dit nie?
>
>>> En jy kry nie meer onveranteoordelik as maatskappye wat bereid is om
>>> te verkoop aan wie ookal die geld het nie....
>
>
>>
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70960 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70922] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 19:01 |
Ferdi Greyling
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On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:06:52 +0200, "Suidwester" wrote:
> Ek dink steeds Bush het die regte idee......skiet Sadam dat sy stukke trek
> en kly klaar. Vinnig, pynloos. Irak sal uitvind dat as hy dit sou waag
> om 'n kernmissiel op te stuur, dat Amerika se Star Wars-stelsel lank reeds
> werk!
Ek aanvaar jou kennis van wapens bou. My issue is die dubbelle
standaarde. Wat onder meer ook enige plan om Irak te isoleer vol gate
maak.
Die Yanks het nie die guts om teen hul eie korporasies op te tree nie
en as hulle dit nie doen nie verkoop hulle in "gewone handelskanale
bla bla.." ens.
Die resultaat is duidelik.
En duisende onskuldiges gaan doodgebom word.
Die probleem met sadam is dat hy nie die VSA sal nuke nie. Eerder waar
hy kan....
Israel... Saudie Arabie....
Die ding van 'n oorlog is dat dit 'n excercise of unintended
consequences is. En dat dit nooit moontlik is om 'n probleem weg te
bom nie. Ons hier in Suider-Afrika weet dit mos by uitstek.
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #70962 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70926] |
Ma, 23 Desember 2002 19:14 |
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Oorspronklik gepos deur: @rogers.com
Suidwester wrote:
Ek neem aan die Irakse wapenprogram is hoogs geheim?
Miskien moet hulle bietjie dieper
soek.
Dis nou bietjie ou geskiedenis, maar dit is
natuurlik welbekend dat die apartheidsregime
se wapens in die vroeë negentigerjare se
Desert Storm gebruik is.
Nog 'n interessante brokkie wat Kanada,
Suid-Afrika en Irak verbind. Daar was 'n
Kanadees met die van Bull ( ek kan nie sy
voornaam onthou nie) wat geglo het dat hy die
kanon-missiel tegniek kon ontwikkel sodat mens
selfs mense na die maan kon skiet. Die Amerikaners
het eers sy navorsing gefonds, en hy het die grootste
"kanon" wat daar nog bestaan in New Hampshire gebou.
Toe skielik besluit die Amerikaners hulle is nie meer
geinteresseerd nie. 'n Paar jaar daarna word Bull in
Philadelphia gevang en in die tronk gestop omdat hy
wapenontwerpe aan SA verkoop het, en op daardie stadium
was dit onwettig om met SA handel te dryf in wapens.
'n Ruk na Bull uit die tronk in die VSA losgelaat is,
is hy doodgeskiet in Brussels, heelwaarskynlik deur
agente van Israel. Dit was bekend dat hy met Sadam
Hussein in verbinding was oor sy kanontegniek. Ek dink
daar was een in die aanbou in Irak, maar ek dink nie dis
ooit gebruik nie. Hulle het dele daarvan in Engeland
onderskep.
Gloudina
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| Re: Irak, oorlog en geld.... [boodskap #71026 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #70922] |
Vr, 27 Desember 2002 08:23 |
Paul Van Straaten
Boodskappe: 171
Geregistreer: November 2002
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Wat maak dit jou?
Ondersoekende joernalis van die jaar of wat?
"Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com...
>
> Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm
>
>
>
>
> The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program
>
> Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December
> 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that
> supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to
> develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the
> report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had
> seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK,
> Germany, France, China, and elsewhere.
>
> Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily
> newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original,
> uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have
> been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten
> non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed
> the list, presented below.
>
>
> [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times,
> the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news
> outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)]
>
>
> Key
>
> A = nuclear weapon program
> B = biological weapon program
> C = chemical weapon program
> R = rocket program
> K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi
> Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants
>
>
>
> USA
>
> 1. Honeywell (R, K)
>
> 2. Spectra Physics (K)
>
> 3. Semetex (R)
>
> 4. TI Coating (A, K)
>
> 5. Unisys (A, K)
>
> 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K)
>
> 7. Tektronix (R, A)
>
> 8. Rockwell (K)
>
> 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
>
> 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
>
> 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K)
>
> 12. Dupont (A)
>
> 13. Eastman Kodak (R)
>
> 14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
>
> 15. Alcolac International (C)
>
> 16. Consarc (A)
>
> 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K)
>
> 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
>
> 19. Electronic Associates (R)
>
> 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>
> 21. Bechtel (K)
>
> 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R)
>
> 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
>
> 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
>
> "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50
> subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms
> business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers
> for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of
> Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence
> Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories."
>
>
>
> China
>
> 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K)
>
> 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K)
>
> 3. China State Missile Company (R)
>
>
>
> France
>
> 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A)
>
> 2. Sciaky (A)
>
> 3. Thomson CSF (A, K)
>
> 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R)
>
> 5. Cerbag (A)
>
> 6. Protec SA (C)
>
> 7. Thales Group (A)
>
> 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A)
>
>
>
> Great Britain
>
> 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A)
>
> 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A)
>
> 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A)
>
> 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K)
>
> 5. MEED International (A, C)
>
> 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R)
>
> 7. International Computer Limited (A, K)
>
> 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A)
>
> 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A)
>
> 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of
> Defence)
>
> 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R)
>
> 12. Technology Development Group (R)
>
> 13. International Signal and Control (R)
>
> 14. Terex Corporation (R)
>
> 15. Inwako (A)
>
> 16. TMG Engineering (K)
>
> 17. XYY Options, Inc (A)
>
>
>
> USSR/Russia
>
> 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R)
>
> 2. Niikhism (R)
>
> 3. Mars Rotor (R)
>
> 4. Livinvest (R)
>
> 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K)
>
> 6. Amsar Trading (K)
>
>
>
> Japan
>
> 1. Fanuc (A)
>
> 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A)
>
> 3. NEC (A)
>
> 4. Osaka (A)
>
> 5. Waida (A)
>
>
>
> The Netherlands
>
> 1.Melchemie B.V. (C)
>
> 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C)
>
> 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K)
>
>
>
> Belgium
>
> 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A)
>
> 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C)
>
> 3. OIP Instrubel (K)
>
> 4. Phillips Petroleum (C)
>
> 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R)
>
> 6. Sebatra (A)
>
> 7. Space Research Corp. (R)
>
>
>
> Spain
>
> 1. Donabat (R)
>
> 2. Treblam (C)
>
> 3. Zayer (A)
>
>
>
> Sweden
>
> 1. ABB (A)
>
> 2. Saab-Scania (R)
>
>
> Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the
> original in German.
>
> Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included
> in this list.
>
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