Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:30:07 +0100 (BST) From: Marco de Innocentis Subject: Dawn van Niekerk Dear members of this NG, I wonder if you could give me some information which might be useful for me in trying to help Dawn to be repatriated. As it is now, the SA government has an exchange treaty ready with Thailand, but the politicians don't seem to be very interested in signing it. Also, the SA government and embassy won't sponsor anyone's requests for a royal pardon, which means all such requests are automatically denied. As a result, people like Dawn who are sentenced to 40 or more years have to serve all of them or stay there until they die. We are pinning our hopes on the SA government agreeing to an exchange treaty, which would enable Dawn and the others to be transferred to a SA prison, closer to their families and in infinitely better conditions. Do you think you could tell me something on the current political situation in SA today? Do you think it would be counterproductive to have a campaign on Dawn's case in the national media? Would it perhaps be better to do so with the other SA prisoners, who - as far as I know - are all black? Unfortunately I'm not in touch with any of them yet. Are there still prominent Afrikaans politicians? Finally, could you give me some linguistic help? How do you say "Afrikaans society (association, community)" in Afrikaans? This would help me a lot with internet searches. Thanks again, Marco
Good afrikaans for afrikaans society is------afrikaanse jabroers. "P&L" skryf in boodskap news:ant2109520b0M3Mb@camerama.demon.nl... > Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:30:07 +0100 (BST) > From: Marco de Innocentis > Subject: Dawn van Niekerk > > > Dear members of this NG, > > I wonder if you could give me some information which might be useful > for me in trying to help Dawn to be repatriated. As it is now, the > SA government has an exchange treaty ready with Thailand, but the > politicians don't seem to be very interested in signing it. Also, > the SA government and embassy won't sponsor anyone's requests for a > royal pardon, which means all such requests are automatically denied. > As a result, people like Dawn who are sentenced to 40 or more years > have to serve all of them or stay there until they die. We are > pinning our hopes on the SA government agreeing to an exchange treaty, > which would enable Dawn and the others to be transferred to a SA > prison, closer to their families and in infinitely better conditions. > > Do you think you could tell me something on the current political > situation in SA today? Do you think it would be counterproductive to > have a campaign on Dawn's case in the national media? Would it perhaps > be better to do so with the other SA prisoners, who - as far as I know - > are all black? Unfortunately I'm not in touch with any of them yet. > Are there still prominent Afrikaans politicians? > > Finally, could you give me some linguistic help? How do you say > "Afrikaans society (association, community)" in Afrikaans? This would > help me a lot with internet searches. > > Thanks again, > > Marco >
Hi Marco, Welcome to the NSA.... You are waisting your time mate. Cheers Frikkie On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:27:52 +0100, P&L wrote: > Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:30:07 +0100 (BST) > From: Marco de Innocentis > Subject: Dawn van Niekerk > > > Dear members of this NG, > > I wonder if you could give me some information which might be useful > for me in trying to help Dawn to be repatriated. As it is now, the > SA government has an exchange treaty ready with Thailand, but the > politicians don't seem to be very interested in signing it. Also, > the SA government and embassy won't sponsor anyone's requests for a > royal pardon, which means all such requests are automatically denied. > As a result, people like Dawn who are sentenced to 40 or more years > have to serve all of them or stay there until they die. We are > pinning our hopes on the SA government agreeing to an exchange treaty, > which would enable Dawn and the others to be transferred to a SA > prison, closer to their families and in infinitely better conditions. > > Do you think you could tell me something on the current political > situation in SA today? Do you think it would be counterproductive to > have a campaign on Dawn's case in the national media? Would it perhaps > be better to do so with the other SA prisoners, who - as far as I know - > are all black? Unfortunately I'm not in touch with any of them yet. > Are there still prominent Afrikaans politicians? > > Finally, could you give me some linguistic help? How do you say > "Afrikaans society (association, community)" in Afrikaans? This would > help me a lot with internet searches. > > Thanks again, > > Marco >
As far as I know there isn't any Afrikaans speaking politicians left in our Cabinet (not any that can make a difference anyway). What you can do is to go to the media, which will probably be your best hope of getting anything done. I wouldn't hold my breath though, our government isn't very concerned with white people and their trials and tribulations. But you can go to all the newspapers and magazines and post articles on the net. You can even try to get an interview with the guys from Carte Blanche... (find their website and contact details on http://www.carteblanche.co.za/ and click on the carte blanche button) they always seem to get something done when it comes to things like this, they might be able to help you. Try 3rd degree (also a talk show) on another station...the url is http://www.etv.co.za Take a look around their site and maybe you can find someone you can contact regarding this matter. Other than that I can't be of more assistance to you. If nothing else you can make the South African public aware of this matter, and maybe there will be some sort of out cry to the government to do something about it. You'll never know what can come of an aggresive media campaign. You wanted to kow what "Afrikaans Society" means in afrikaans? You would say "Afrikaanse Gemeenskap" although you might have a better result if you run a search in English, because there isn't a lot of Afrikaans websites out there. Elaine P&L skryf in boodskap news:ant2109520b0M3Mb@camerama.demon.nl... > Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:30:07 +0100 (BST) > From: Marco de Innocentis > Subject: Dawn van Niekerk > > > Dear members of this NG, > > I wonder if you could give me some information which might be useful > for me in trying to help Dawn to be repatriated. As it is now, the > SA government has an exchange treaty ready with Thailand, but the > politicians don't seem to be very interested in signing it. Also, > the SA government and embassy won't sponsor anyone's requests for a > royal pardon, which means all such requests are automatically denied. > As a result, people like Dawn who are sentenced to 40 or more years > have to serve all of them or stay there until they die. We are > pinning our hopes on the SA government agreeing to an exchange treaty, > which would enable Dawn and the others to be transferred to a SA > prison, closer to their families and in infinitely better conditions. > > Do you think you could tell me something on the current political > situation in SA today? Do you think it would be counterproductive to > have a campaign on Dawn's case in the national media? Would it perhaps > be better to do so with the other SA prisoners, who - as far as I know - > are all black? Unfortunately I'm not in touch with any of them yet. > Are there still prominent Afrikaans politicians? > > Finally, could you give me some linguistic help? How do you say > "Afrikaans society (association, community)" in Afrikaans? This would > help me a lot with internet searches. > > Thanks again, > > Marco >
Thanks a lot for your advice. Actually Dawn isn't the only South African in prison there, but she's the only Afrikaner (indeed the only white South African), that's why I only mentioned her case her. They're also not all in for drugs, but when it comes to foreigners the sentences they get are always very high. Marco Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
Marco I have forwarded your message to a few organizations , most in South Africa . Hopefully some- one able to help will contact you. I cannot believe that people will just stand by and do nothing for this person.
Why don't you try Amnesty International??? http://www.amnesty.org/actnow/index.html Peter "Julian de Beer" skryf in boodskap news:39f7c788@clear.net.nz... > Marco I have forwarded your message to a few organizations , most in South > Africa . Hopefully some- one able to help will contact you. I cannot believe > that people will just stand by and do nothing for this person. >
I will try, but they don't seem to show much interest with prisoners in Thailand, and in general they seem to ignore women prisoners more easily than men. I know this may sound like a very silly idea, but what do you suppose the Dutch Embassy might be willing to help her? The SA Embassy wants nothing to do with her, possibly because of her ethnicity. Marco In article , "Peter" wrote: > Why don't you try Amnesty International??? > http://www.amnesty.org/actnow/index.html > > Peter > > "Julian de Beer" schreef in bericht > news:39f7c788@clear.net.nz... >> Marco I have forwarded your message to a few organizations , most in South >> Africa . Hopefully some- one able to help will contact you. I cannot > believe >> that people will just stand by and do nothing for this person. >> > > -- http://www.thehungersite.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
Oorspronklik gepos deur: @home.com Marco de Innocentis wrote: > I will try, but they don't seem to show much interest with > prisoners in Thailand, and in general they seem to ignore > women prisoners more easily than men. > > I know this may sound like a very silly idea, but what do > you suppose the Dutch Embassy might be willing to help her? > The SA Embassy wants nothing to do with her, possibly because > of her ethnicity. > Perhaps Amnesty International is not in the business of trying to get people in prison with criminal records out of prison. I think they are working in the area of human rights abuses. What is the ethnicity of Dawn van Niekerk? Her name sounds like she is a white Afrikaner to me. Do you want to imply that the present South African government would not help her get out of prison because she is white? That is a serious charge, Mr. de Innocentis. If the truth be told, Dawn van Niekerk is probably in prison (and probably waiting for a death sentence) because of something criminal she did. Western governments warn their citizens over and over again against the danger of smuggling drugs in the Far East. And there is pretty little these western governments can do to help their citizens once they are convicted. We had a case here in Canada recently where a younger woman was put to death in Vietnam accused of taking drugs out of the country. Her elderly mother was in prison for a long time, but has since been released. I believe they were both Canadian landed immigrants.