Re: AT LAST! LAND FOR OUR MASSES + starvation and squalour
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:29:25 +0200, "Skokkie" wrote: "Bodie" skryf in boodskap news:3f22ff8c.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message > news:fkmghvkacdciotkh09jtr8dtlfr325ldhq@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:27:44 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message >>> news:vokghv8rtu93vf5q4f30eo6hggars6tcpq@4ax.com... >>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:39:18 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote: >> >>>> >e. Loop bou jou eie huis en los myne uit, anders gaan ek >>>> >my "1994 oordentlikheid" vergeet... >>>> > >>>> > >> >>>> Waar wil jy nou meer van erkentlikheid hé, >>>> dat die pampoen wat nou sy huis wil beskerm >>>> een van die gekke was wat die anc ingestem het? >> >>>> Speedy >> >> >>> >>> Jy dink tog seer sekerlik nie die Afrikaanse Teenstand Beweging gaan joune >>> beskerm nie?? >>> >> >> Nee, beslis nie, maar beslis kyk ek in die spieël, en sê aan die ou >> wat terug kyk. dat hy tevrede kan wees omdat hy geen aandeel het >> in die huidige toestand nie. >> >> Speedy > > > My afrikaans is nie van die beste nie, maar ek dink die volgende is van > toepassing. > > Hoor, hoor! > > Bodie. (hopefully I got that right) > You are always hopeful, but as usual, missed again! > > "Bodie" wrote in message > news:3f23027a.0@news1.mweb.co.za... >> "Skokkie" wrote in message >> news:3f1d8c3f.0@news1.mweb.co.za... >>> >>> "Andries Joubert" wrote in message >>> news:7ae3062676e7b18eeb94bba0cd5c80e7@free.teranews.com... >>>> the time is very high for all our landless brothers >>>> and sisters to claim land from the setlars who >>>> robbed us from our belovd african soil long ago. >>>> >>>> today i see a very intresting newspapar article >>>> in the rekord of city tswane wich make me very >>>> proud and happy to include the same article here >>>> below. now at last we have the hope for the future >>>> and for our childern. we want our land we want >>>> our houses! >>>> >>>> uhuru africa! amandla! >>>> >>>> (anfortunatly it is in afrikans and not only in english >>>> as it must have been.) >>>> >>>> justus for africa >>> >>> >>> Landless Brother >>> >>> You were originally permitted to occupy your land under permission from a >>> form of liege that is known in certain parts as AmaKhosi or Inkosi. Your >>> forefathers never owned it themselves. The Inkosi were displaced by the >>> colonialists and their re-establishment following the demise of colonialism >>> is currently being phased out by the Social Democratic (some say just plain >>> socialist) government. >>> >>> The economics of food production for a population of over 40 million rule >>> out the possibility of communal production for self consumption. Large scale >>> commercial farming is required in order to produce the food that is required >>> for the majority of South Africans to comfortably enjoy the freedoms that >>> were won for them at such a great cost. The quality of traditional >>> lifestyles that remain amongst people like the AmaNchunu (SP?) is being >>> eroded by people who feed them political nonsense that comes from beyond >>> their frame of reference. They have always been hard working people who >>> deserve to see change in the quality of their lifestyle but not its >>> essential character. They no longer store grain as they have been told that >>> it is the governments undertaking to provide this through donations from >>> people who owe them some sort of debt. >>> >>> The houses that you are currently being provided are of a similar size to >>> those that the people occupied during pre-colonial times. They were adequate >>> then as they were out in the wide open spaces. The acres of boxes that you >>> are now readily accepting as homes for free represent an undersupply as you >>> should have something much larger in order to meet your needs in a modern >>> society. They are merely houses and not homes, and they represent a >>> developing social problem as existing neighbourhood and familiar structures >>> are ignored and over ruled in the need to "roll out" supply. The government >>> does not have the resources to provide you with a house that is sized >>> according to modern requirements, something significantly larger than the >>> pre colonial version that you propose as a model for restitution. If you are >>> to achieve the quality of life that your liberating fathers intended for you >>> there will have to be some sort of toil and input on your behalf and there >>> are not enough white men for the government to dispossess in order to >>> furnish your expectations for a free ride. >>> According to current government policy, the land that you may be given will >>> be subject to rates and taxes and this will mean that you effectively do not >>> own it and if you fall behind in payments the result will be dispossession. >>> You could opt for some sort of campaign of resistance and refuse to pay >>> saying that it is the whites who must pay. There are not enough of them to >>> carry you. This is a function of the demography that allows you to enjoy >>> majority rule >>> >>> Get in tune with the 21st century my man, There are plenty of people in >>> Zimbabwe who are chanting "uhuru africa! amandla!" and are trying to live >>> on tree bark to survive. The government has not been able to meet everyone's >>> expectations and so only those close to the ruling clique are catered for. >>> The brothers there are unable to even think about enjoying a nice beer after >>> work as they cost over Z$ 650.00 which is more than the officially mandated >>> minimum monthly salary. They are available to wealthy tourists only. Their >>> money is no longer flowing into the economy as they are being chased away >>> because they are regarded as targets for redistribution and if they are not >>> exploited by strange financial coercion such as entry taxes or carbon taxes >>> they are hit by self justified empowerment and redistribution operators who >>> rob them and / or kill them. >>> >>> So what is the use of being given land if you are unable to grow anything on >>> it, and you cannot raise a family on it, and you cannot make a home on it, >>> and you are responsible to continually pay for the use of it in the face of >>> a lack of employment and .............. >>> >>> It is clear that a more responsible method of land acquisition is required, >>> something that is more practical than the dreams set out in your messages. >>> >>> >> My word, I must be getting ill. > > Bodie - what a real breakthrough this is for you to realise that you are > ill. All of my words have not been in vain, some have hit home. > >> You post actually made sense and echo's most of what has already been > said, > > So I suppose that you are going to start harping on about plagiarism again > then > > >> and no doubt will continue to be said, about the land issue in Africa. >> It is a fact that the politically/economically naive will be the first to >> shout for land and it stands to reason they will also be the first ones in >> the queue with their grubby paws outstretched for food aid. > > This is not true at all. The degree of naivety and economic activity does > not mitigate against the fact that they did have the land swiped from them > in the first place and thay should have their concerns addressed. The issue > is that they must come to the party in the modern world. > > "they will also be the first ones in the queue with their grubby paws > outstretched for food aid." - please retract and revisit that statement as I > do not believe any sane and sensible South African in the 21st Century could > still think like that. Bodie the other stuff in the other threads has been a > lot of fun but I really cannot bring myself to believe that you actually > think like this in the serious world. >
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:29:25 +0200, "Skokkie" wrote: "Bodie" skryf in boodskap news:3f22ff8c.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message > news:fkmghvkacdciotkh09jtr8dtlfr325ldhq@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:27:44 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> "Speedy Gonzales" wrote in message >>> news:vokghv8rtu93vf5q4f30eo6hggars6tcpq@4ax.com... >>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:39:18 +0200, "Knop Kop" wrote: >> >>>> >e. Loop bou jou eie huis en los myne uit, anders gaan ek >>>> >my "1994 oordentlikheid" vergeet... >>>> > >>>> > >> >>>> Waar wil jy nou meer van erkentlikheid hé, >>>> dat die pampoen wat nou sy huis wil beskerm >>>> een van die gekke was wat die anc ingestem het? >> >>>> Speedy >> >> >>> >>> Jy dink tog seer sekerlik nie die Afrikaanse Teenstand Beweging gaan > joune >>> beskerm nie?? >>> >> >> Nee, beslis nie, maar beslis kyk ek in die spieël, en sê aan die ou >> wat terug kyk. dat hy tevrede kan wees omdat hy geen aandeel het >> in die huidige toestand nie. >> >> Speedy > > > My afrikaans is nie van die beste nie, maar ek dink die volgende is van > toepassing. > > Hoor, hoor! > > Bodie. (hopefully I got that right) > You are always hopeful, but as usual, missed again! > > "Bodie" wrote in message > news:3f23027a.0@news1.mweb.co.za... >> "Skokkie" wrote in message >> news:3f1d8c3f.0@news1.mweb.co.za... >>> >>> "Andries Joubert" wrote in message >>> news:7ae3062676e7b18eeb94bba0cd5c80e7@free.teranews.com... >>>> the time is very high for all our landless brothers >>>> and sisters to claim land from the setlars who >>>> robbed us from our belovd african soil long ago. >>>> >>>> today i see a very intresting newspapar article >>>> in the rekord of city tswane wich make me very >>>> proud and happy to include the same article here >>>> below. now at last we have the hope for the future >>>> and for our childern. we want our land we want >>>> our houses! >>>> >>>> uhuru africa! amandla! >>>> >>>> (anfortunatly it is in afrikans and not only in english >>>> as it must have been.) >>>> >>>> justus for africa >>> >>> >>> Landless Brother >>> >>> You were originally permitted to occupy your land under permission from > a >>> form of liege that is known in certain parts as AmaKhosi or Inkosi. Your >>> forefathers never owned it themselves. The Inkosi were displaced by the >>> colonialists and their re-establishment following the demise of >> colonialism >>> is currently being phased out by the Social Democratic (some say just >> plain >>> socialist) government. >>> >>> The economics of food production for a population of over 40 million > rule >>> out the possibility of communal production for self consumption. Large >> scale >>> commercial farming is required in order to produce the food that is >> required >>> for the majority of South Africans to comfortably enjoy the freedoms > that >>> were won for them at such a great cost. The quality of traditional >>> lifestyles that remain amongst people like the AmaNchunu (SP?) is being >>> eroded by people who feed them political nonsense that comes from beyond >>> their frame of reference. They have always been hard working people who >>> deserve to see change in the quality of their lifestyle but not its >>> essential character. They no longer store grain as they have been told >> that >>> it is the governments undertaking to provide this through donations from >>> people who owe them some sort of debt. >>> >>> The houses that you are currently being provided are of a similar size > to >>> those that the people occupied during pre-colonial times. They were >> adequate >>> then as they were out in the wide open spaces. The acres of boxes that > you >>> are now readily accepting as homes for free represent an undersupply as >> you >>> should have something much larger in order to meet your needs in a > modern >>> society. They are merely houses and not homes, and they represent a >>> developing social problem as existing neighbourhood and familiar >> structures >>> are ignored and over ruled in the need to "roll out" supply. The >> government >>> does not have the resources to provide you with a house that is sized >>> according to modern requirements, something significantly larger than > the >>> pre colonial version that you propose as a model for restitution. If you >> are >>> to achieve the quality of life that your liberating fathers intended for >> you >>> there will have to be some sort of toil and input on your behalf and > there >>> are not enough white men for the government to dispossess in order to >>> furnish your expectations for a free ride. >>> According to current government policy, the land that you may be given >> will >>> be subject to rates and taxes and this will mean that you effectively do >> not >>> own it and if you fall behind in payments the result will be >> dispossession. >>> You could opt for some sort of campaign of resistance and refuse to pay >>> saying that it is the whites who must pay. There are not enough of them > to >>> carry you. This is a function of the demography that allows you to enjoy >>> majority rule >>> >>> Get in tune with the 21st century my man, There are plenty of people in >>> Zimbabwe who are chanting "uhuru africa! amandla!" and are trying to > live >>> on tree bark to survive. The government has not been able to meet >> everyone's >>> expectations and so only those close to the ruling clique are catered > for. >>> The brothers there are unable to even think about enjoying a nice beer >> after >>> work as they cost over Z$ 650.00 which is more than the officially >> mandated >>> minimum monthly salary. They are available to wealthy tourists only. > Their >>> money is no longer flowing into the economy as they are being chased > away >>> because they are regarded as targets for redistribution and if they are >> not >>> exploited by strange financial coercion such as entry taxes or carbon >> taxes >>> they are hit by self justified empowerment and redistribution operators >> who >>> rob them and / or kill them. >>> >>> So what is the use of being given land if you are unable to grow > anything >> on >>> it, and you cannot raise a family on it, and you cannot make a home on > it, >>> and you are responsible to continually pay for the use of it in the face >> of >>> a lack of employment and .............. >>> >>> It is clear that a more responsible method of land acquisition is >> required, >>> something that is more practical than the dreams set out in your > messages. >>> >>> >> My word, I must be getting ill. > > Bodie - what a real breakthrough this is for you to realise that you are > ill. All of my words have not been in vain, some have hit home. > >> You post actually made sense and echo's most of what has already been > said, > > So I suppose that you are going to start harping on about plagiarism again > then > > >> and no doubt will continue to be said, about the land issue in Africa. >> It is a fact that the politically/economically naive will be the first to >> shout for land and it stands to reason they will also be the first ones in >> the queue with their grubby paws outstretched for food aid. > > This is not true at all. The degree of naivety and economic activity does > not mitigate against the fact that they did have the land swiped from them > in the first place and thay should have their concerns addressed. The issue > is that they must come to the party in the modern world. > > "they will also be the first ones in the queue with their grubby paws > outstretched for food aid." - please retract and revisit that statement as I > do not believe any sane and sensible South African in the 21st Century could > still think like that. Bodie the other stuff in the other threads has been a > lot of fun but I really cannot bring myself to believe that you actually > think like this in the serious world. >
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:29:25 +0200, "Skokkie" wrote: Sekere teken van ouderdom:)) Ek kan jou nie help met die onthouding nie, maar ek sien Saterdag daar is 'n nuwe "Griet" boek op die rak. Annette "Kwarantyn" skryf in boodskap news:q8dVa.6980$Dn1.6419@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com... > Die boek het in 1992 verskyn. Nie te lank daarna nie het 'n soort > parodie/satire daarop verskyn, geskryf vanuit die man se oogpunt. Ek het die > boek gelees en interessant, hoewel soms ietwat smaakloos en dikwels baie > eksplisiet gevind. Maar nou ek om die dood nie die titel of die skrywer > onthou nie. Ek dink die titel het 'n man se naam in gehad, en die skrywer > het 'n skuilnaam gebruik. As iemand weet waarvan ek praat - kan jy dalk > asseblief die titel en skrywer noem? Die hoofkarakter se naam was Mot, en ek > het 'n gedagte die titel het ook dalk "Mot" in gehad. > Dis net een van daardie goed wat jy probeer onthou maar toetentaal net nie > kan oproep nie. > Dankie! > Kwarantyn > > > > "Bodie" wrote in message > news:3f23027a.0@news1.mweb.co.za... >> "Skokkie" wrote in message >> news:3f1d8c3f.0@news1.mweb.co.za... >>> >>> "Andries Joubert" wrote in message >>> news:7ae3062676e7b18eeb94bba0cd5c80e7@free.teranews.com... >>>> the time is very high for all our landless brothers >>>> and sisters to claim land from the setlars who >>>> robbed us from our belovd african soil long ago. >>>> >>>> today i see a very intresting newspapar article >>>> in the rekord of city tswane wich make me very >>>> proud and happy to include the same article here >>>> below. now at last we have the hope for the future >>>> and for our childern. we want our land we want >>>> our houses! >>>> >>>> uhuru africa! amandla! >>>> >>>> (anfortunatly it is in afrikans and not only in english >>>> as it must have been.) >>>> >>>> justus for africa >>> >>> >>> Landless Brother >>> >>> You were originally permitted to occupy your land under permission from > a >>> form of liege that is known in certain parts as AmaKhosi or Inkosi. Your >>> forefathers never owned it themselves. The Inkosi were displaced by the >>> colonialists and their re-establishment following the demise of >> colonialism >>> is currently being phased out by the Social Democratic (some say just >> plain >>> socialist) government. >>> >>> The economics of food production for a population of over 40 million > rule >>> out the possibility of communal production for self consumption. Large >> scale >>> commercial farming is required in order to produce the food that is >> required >>> for the majority of South Africans to comfortably enjoy the freedoms > that >>> were won for them at such a great cost. The quality of traditional >>> lifestyles that remain amongst people like the AmaNchunu (SP?) is being >>> eroded by people who feed them political nonsense that comes from beyond >>> their frame of reference. They have always been hard working people who >>> deserve to see change in the quality of their lifestyle but not its >>> essential character. They no longer store grain as they have been told >> that >>> it is the governments undertaking to provide this through donations from >>> people who owe them some sort of debt. >>> >>> The houses that you are currently being provided are of a similar size > to >>> those that the people occupied during pre-colonial times. They were >> adequate >>> then as they were out in the wide open spaces. The acres of boxes that > you >>> are now readily accepting as homes for free represent an undersupply as >> you >>> should have something much larger in order to meet your needs in a > modern >>> society. They are merely houses and not homes, and they represent a >>> developing social problem as existing neighbourhood and familiar >> structures >>> are ignored and over ruled in the need to "roll out" supply. The >> government >>> does not have the resources to provide you with a house that is sized >>> according to modern requirements, something significantly larger than > the >>> pre colonial version that you propose as a model for restitution. If you >> are >>> to achieve the quality of life that your liberating fathers intended for >> you >>> there will have to be some sort of toil and input on your behalf and > there >>> are not enough white men for the government to dispossess in order to >>> furnish your expectations for a free ride. >>> According to current government policy, the land that you may be given >> will >>> be subject to rates and taxes and this will mean that you effectively do >> not >>> own it and if you fall behind in payments the result will be >> dispossession. >>> You could opt for some sort of campaign of resistance and refuse to pay >>> saying that it is the whites who must pay. There are not enough of them > to >>> carry you. This is a function of the demography that allows you to enjoy >>> majority rule >>> >>> Get in tune with the 21st century my man, There are plenty of people in >>> Zimbabwe who are chanting "uhuru africa! amandla!" and are trying to > live >>> on tree bark to survive. The government has not been able to meet >> everyone's >>> expectations and so only those close to the ruling clique are catered > for. >>> The brothers there are unable to even think about enjoying a nice beer >> after >>> work as they cost over Z$ 650.00 which is more than the officially >> mandated >>> minimum monthly salary. They are available to wealthy tourists only. > Their >>> money is no longer flowing into the economy as they are being chased > away >>> because they are regarded as targets for redistribution and if they are >> not >>> exploited by strange financial coercion such as entry taxes or carbon >> taxes >>> they are hit by self justified empowerment and redistribution operators >> who >>> rob them and / or kill them. >>> >>> So what is the use of being given land if you are unable to grow > anything >> on >>> it, and you cannot raise a family on it, and you cannot make a home on > it, >>> and you are responsible to continually pay for the use of it in the face >> of >>> a lack of employment and .............. >>> >>> It is clear that a more responsible method of land acquisition is >> required, >>> something that is more practical than the dreams set out in your > messages. >>> >>> >> My word, I must be getting ill. > > Bodie - what a real breakthrough this is for you to realise that you are > ill. All of my words have not been in vain, some have hit home. > >> You post actually made sense and echo's most of what has already been > said, > > So I suppose that you are going to start harping on about plagiarism again > then > > >> and no doubt will continue to be said, about the land issue in Africa. >> It is a fact that the politically/economically naive will be the first to >> shout for land and it stands to reason they will also be the first ones in >> the queue with their grubby paws outstretched for food aid. > > This is not true at all. The degree of naivety and economic activity does > not mitigate against the fact that they did have the land swiped from them > in the first place and thay should have their concerns addressed. The issue > is that they must come to the party in the modern world. > > "they will also be the first ones in the queue with their grubby paws > outstretched for food aid." - please retract and revisit that statement as I > do not believe any sane and sensible South African in the 21st Century could > still think like that. Bodie the other stuff in the other threads has been a > lot of fun but I really cannot bring myself to believe that you actually > think like this in the serious world. >