Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK, Germany, France, China, and elsewhere. Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original, uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed the list, presented below. [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times, the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)] Key A = nuclear weapon program B = biological weapon program C = chemical weapon program R = rocket program K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants USA 1. Honeywell (R, K) 2. Spectra Physics (K) 3. Semetex (R) 4. TI Coating (A, K) 5. Unisys (A, K) 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K) 7. Tektronix (R, A) 8. Rockwell (K) 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A) 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A) 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K) 12. Dupont (A) 13. Eastman Kodak (R) 14. American Type Culture Collection (B) 15. Alcolac International (C) 16. Consarc (A) 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K) 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A) 19. Electronic Associates (R) 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) 21. Bechtel (K) 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R) 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A) 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A) "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50 subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories." China 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K) 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K) 3. China State Missile Company (R) France 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A) 2. Sciaky (A) 3. Thomson CSF (A, K) 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R) 5. Cerbag (A) 6. Protec SA (C) 7. Thales Group (A) 8. Societé Général pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A) Great Britain 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A) 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A) 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A) 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) 5. MEED International (A, C) 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R) 7. International Computer Limited (A, K) 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A) 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A) 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of Defence) 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R) 12. Technology Development Group (R) 13. International Signal and Control (R) 14. Terex Corporation (R) 15. Inwako (A) 16. TMG Engineering (K) 17. XYY Options, Inc (A) USSR/Russia 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R) 2. Niikhism (R) 3. Mars Rotor (R) 4. Livinvest (R) 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K) 6. Amsar Trading (K) Japan 1. Fanuc (A) 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A) 3. NEC (A) 4. Osaka (A) 5. Waida (A) The Netherlands 1.Melchemie B.V. (C) 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C) 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K) Belgium 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A) 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C) 3. OIP Instrubel (K) 4. Phillips Petroleum (C) 5. Poudries Réunies Belge SA (R) 6. Sebatra (A) 7. Space Research Corp. (R) Spain 1. Donabat (R) 2. Treblam (C) 3. Zayer (A) Sweden 1. ABB (A) 2. Saab-Scania (R) Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the original in German. Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included in this list.
Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, dat hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak? Annette "Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com... > > Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm > > > > > The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program > > Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December > 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that > supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to > develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the > report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had > seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK, > Germany, France, China, and elsewhere. > > Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily > newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original, > uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have > been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten > non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed > the list, presented below. > > > [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times, > the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news > outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)] > > > Key > > A = nuclear weapon program > B = biological weapon program > C = chemical weapon program > R = rocket program > K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi > Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants > > > > USA > > 1. Honeywell (R, K) > > 2. Spectra Physics (K) > > 3. Semetex (R) > > 4. TI Coating (A, K) > > 5. Unisys (A, K) > > 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K) > > 7. Tektronix (R, A) > > 8. Rockwell (K) > > 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A) > > 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A) > > 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K) > > 12. Dupont (A) > > 13. Eastman Kodak (R) > > 14. American Type Culture Collection (B) > > 15. Alcolac International (C) > > 16. Consarc (A) > > 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K) > > 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A) > > 19. Electronic Associates (R) > > 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) > > 21. Bechtel (K) > > 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R) > > 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A) > > 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A) > > "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50 > subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms > business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers > for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of > Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence > Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories." > > > > China > > 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K) > > 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K) > > 3. China State Missile Company (R) > > > > France > > 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A) > > 2. Sciaky (A) > > 3. Thomson CSF (A, K) > > 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R) > > 5. Cerbag (A) > > 6. Protec SA (C) > > 7. Thales Group (A) > > 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A) > > > > Great Britain > > 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A) > > 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A) > > 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A) > > 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) > > 5. MEED International (A, C) > > 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R) > > 7. International Computer Limited (A, K) > > 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A) > > 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A) > > 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of > Defence) > > 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R) > > 12. Technology Development Group (R) > > 13. International Signal and Control (R) > > 14. Terex Corporation (R) > > 15. Inwako (A) > > 16. TMG Engineering (K) > > 17. XYY Options, Inc (A) > > > > USSR/Russia > > 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R) > > 2. Niikhism (R) > > 3. Mars Rotor (R) > > 4. Livinvest (R) > > 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K) > > 6. Amsar Trading (K) > > > > Japan > > 1. Fanuc (A) > > 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A) > > 3. NEC (A) > > 4. Osaka (A) > > 5. Waida (A) > > > > The Netherlands > > 1.Melchemie B.V. (C) > > 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C) > > 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K) > > > > Belgium > > 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A) > > 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C) > > 3. OIP Instrubel (K) > > 4. Phillips Petroleum (C) > > 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R) > > 6. Sebatra (A) > > 7. Space Research Corp. (R) > > > > Spain > > 1. Donabat (R) > > 2. Treblam (C) > > 3. Zayer (A) > > > > Sweden > > 1. ABB (A) > > 2. Saab-Scania (R) > > > Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the > original in German. > > Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included > in this list. >
Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele gebruik word? Dit wat ek weet van klandestiene wapenvervaardiging, is dat elke komponent aangekoop word op 'n manier waarop die leweransier g'n idee het van wat jy daarmee wil maak nie. Voor die komponent dan gebruik word, word dit 'skoongemaak' sodat daar geen moontlike opspoorbaarheid is ná gebruik nie. Ek neem aan die Irakse wapenprogram is hoogs geheim? Meeste elektroniese komponente kan die wêreldoor gekoop word, maar dit kan van dieselfde vervaardiger af kom. Miskien moet hulle bietjie dieper soek.....eerder na die leweransiers van die komponente as na die vervaardigers? "Annette" skryf in boodskap news:au5ccj$4hjum$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de... > Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, dat > hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak? > Annette > > > "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message > news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com... >> >> Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm >> >> >> >> >> The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program >> >> Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December >> 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that >> supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to >> develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the >> report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had >> seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK, >> Germany, France, China, and elsewhere. >> >> Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily >> newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original, >> uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have >> been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten >> non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed >> the list, presented below. >> >> >> [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times, >> the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news >> outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)] >> >> >> Key >> >> A = nuclear weapon program >> B = biological weapon program >> C = chemical weapon program >> R = rocket program >> K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi >> Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants >> >> >> >> USA >> >> 1. Honeywell (R, K) >> >> 2. Spectra Physics (K) >> >> 3. Semetex (R) >> >> 4. TI Coating (A, K) >> >> 5. Unisys (A, K) >> >> 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K) >> >> 7. Tektronix (R, A) >> >> 8. Rockwell (K) >> >> 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A) >> >> 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A) >> >> 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K) >> >> 12. Dupont (A) >> >> 13. Eastman Kodak (R) >> >> 14. American Type Culture Collection (B) >> >> 15. Alcolac International (C) >> >> 16. Consarc (A) >> >> 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K) >> >> 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A) >> >> 19. Electronic Associates (R) >> >> 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) >> >> 21. Bechtel (K) >> >> 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R) >> >> 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A) >> >> 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A) >> >> "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50 >> subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms >> business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers >> for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of >> Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence >> Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories." >> >> >> >> China >> >> 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K) >> >> 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K) >> >> 3. China State Missile Company (R) >> >> >> >> France >> >> 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A) >> >> 2. Sciaky (A) >> >> 3. Thomson CSF (A, K) >> >> 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R) >> >> 5. Cerbag (A) >> >> 6. Protec SA (C) >> >> 7. Thales Group (A) >> >> 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A) >> >> >> >> Great Britain >> >> 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A) >> >> 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A) >> >> 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A) >> >> 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) >> >> 5. MEED International (A, C) >> >> 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R) >> >> 7. International Computer Limited (A, K) >> >> 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A) >> >> 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A) >> >> 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of >> Defence) >> >> 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R) >> >> 12. Technology Development Group (R) >> >> 13. International Signal and Control (R) >> >> 14. Terex Corporation (R) >> >> 15. Inwako (A) >> >> 16. TMG Engineering (K) >> >> 17. XYY Options, Inc (A) >> >> >> >> USSR/Russia >> >> 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R) >> >> 2. Niikhism (R) >> >> 3. Mars Rotor (R) >> >> 4. Livinvest (R) >> >> 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K) >> >> 6. Amsar Trading (K) >> >> >> >> Japan >> >> 1. Fanuc (A) >> >> 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A) >> >> 3. NEC (A) >> >> 4. Osaka (A) >> >> 5. Waida (A) >> >> >> >> The Netherlands >> >> 1.Melchemie B.V. (C) >> >> 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C) >> >> 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K) >> >> >> >> Belgium >> >> 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A) >> >> 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C) >> >> 3. OIP Instrubel (K) >> >> 4. Phillips Petroleum (C) >> >> 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R) >> >> 6. Sebatra (A) >> >> 7. Space Research Corp. (R) >> >> >> >> Spain >> >> 1. Donabat (R) >> >> 2. Treblam (C) >> >> 3. Zayer (A) >> >> >> >> Sweden >> >> 1. ABB (A) >> >> 2. Saab-Scania (R) >> >> >> Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the >> original in German. >> >> Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included >> in this list. >> >
Mag miskien wees - maar dit sal 'n uiters onskuldige voorsiener wees wat nie sal weet waarvoor die verskillende komponente wat hy verkoop gebruik kan word nie. Deel van die sales pitch. Maar jy is reg - gaan in die eerste plek na die vervaardigers - dan gaan 'n veel groter blik wurms oopgevlek word. Annette "Suidwester" skryf in boodskap news:3e06a6a0.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as > onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele gebruik > word? Dit wat ek weet van klandestiene wapenvervaardiging, is dat elke > komponent aangekoop word op 'n manier waarop die leweransier g'n idee het > van wat jy daarmee wil maak nie. Voor die komponent dan gebruik word, word > dit 'skoongemaak' sodat daar geen moontlike opspoorbaarheid is ná gebruik > nie. Ek neem aan die Irakse wapenprogram is hoogs geheim? Meeste > elektroniese komponente kan die wêreldoor gekoop word, maar dit kan van > dieselfde vervaardiger af kom. Miskien moet hulle bietjie dieper > soek.....eerder na die leweransiers van die komponente as na die > vervaardigers? > "Annette" wrote in message > news:au5ccj$4hjum$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de... >> Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, dat >> hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak? >> Annette >> >> >> "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message >> news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com... >>> >>> Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program >>> >>> Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December >>> 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that >>> supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to >>> develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the >>> report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had >>> seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK, >>> Germany, France, China, and elsewhere. >>> >>> Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily >>> newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original, >>> uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have >>> been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten >>> non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed >>> the list, presented below. >>> >>> >>> [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times, >>> the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news >>> outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)] >>> >>> >>> Key >>> >>> A = nuclear weapon program >>> B = biological weapon program >>> C = chemical weapon program >>> R = rocket program >>> K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi >>> Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants >>> >>> >>> >>> USA >>> >>> 1. Honeywell (R, K) >>> >>> 2. Spectra Physics (K) >>> >>> 3. Semetex (R) >>> >>> 4. TI Coating (A, K) >>> >>> 5. Unisys (A, K) >>> >>> 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K) >>> >>> 7. Tektronix (R, A) >>> >>> 8. Rockwell (K) >>> >>> 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A) >>> >>> 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A) >>> >>> 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K) >>> >>> 12. Dupont (A) >>> >>> 13. Eastman Kodak (R) >>> >>> 14. American Type Culture Collection (B) >>> >>> 15. Alcolac International (C) >>> >>> 16. Consarc (A) >>> >>> 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K) >>> >>> 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A) >>> >>> 19. Electronic Associates (R) >>> >>> 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) >>> >>> 21. Bechtel (K) >>> >>> 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R) >>> >>> 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A) >>> >>> 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A) >>> >>> "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50 >>> subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms >>> business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers >>> for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of >>> Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence >>> Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories." >>> >>> >>> >>> China >>> >>> 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K) >>> >>> 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K) >>> >>> 3. China State Missile Company (R) >>> >>> >>> >>> France >>> >>> 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A) >>> >>> 2. Sciaky (A) >>> >>> 3. Thomson CSF (A, K) >>> >>> 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R) >>> >>> 5. Cerbag (A) >>> >>> 6. Protec SA (C) >>> >>> 7. Thales Group (A) >>> >>> 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A) >>> >>> >>> >>> Great Britain >>> >>> 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A) >>> >>> 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A) >>> >>> 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A) >>> >>> 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) >>> >>> 5. MEED International (A, C) >>> >>> 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R) >>> >>> 7. International Computer Limited (A, K) >>> >>> 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A) >>> >>> 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A) >>> >>> 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of >>> Defence) >>> >>> 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R) >>> >>> 12. Technology Development Group (R) >>> >>> 13. International Signal and Control (R) >>> >>> 14. Terex Corporation (R) >>> >>> 15. Inwako (A) >>> >>> 16. TMG Engineering (K) >>> >>> 17. XYY Options, Inc (A) >>> >>> >>> >>> USSR/Russia >>> >>> 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R) >>> >>> 2. Niikhism (R) >>> >>> 3. Mars Rotor (R) >>> >>> 4. Livinvest (R) >>> >>> 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K) >>> >>> 6. Amsar Trading (K) >>> >>> >>> >>> Japan >>> >>> 1. Fanuc (A) >>> >>> 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A) >>> >>> 3. NEC (A) >>> >>> 4. Osaka (A) >>> >>> 5. Waida (A) >>> >>> >>> >>> The Netherlands >>> >>> 1.Melchemie B.V. (C) >>> >>> 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C) >>> >>> 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K) >>> >>> >>> >>> Belgium >>> >>> 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A) >>> >>> 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C) >>> >>> 3. OIP Instrubel (K) >>> >>> 4. Phillips Petroleum (C) >>> >>> 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R) >>> >>> 6. Sebatra (A) >>> >>> 7. Space Research Corp. (R) >>> >>> >>> >>> Spain >>> >>> 1. Donabat (R) >>> >>> 2. Treblam (C) >>> >>> 3. Zayer (A) >>> >>> >>> >>> Sweden >>> >>> 1. ABB (A) >>> >>> 2. Saab-Scania (R) >>> >>> >>> Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the >>> original in German. >>> >>> Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included >>> in this list. >>> >> >
Jy lees my verkeerd....gaan eers na die verspreiders. Ek gaan vir jou 'n voorbeeld gee. Jy kan bv. 'n Walkie-Talkie radio orals in die wêreld koop, maar jy kry gevorderde goete daarvan......dis daarmee dat bomme afgesit word. Jy sal vind dat die vervaardigers en agente goed weet met wie hulle nie mag deel nie en dus nie die radio aan jou sal verkoop nie. Die kuns van die wapenvervaardiger lê dan juis om 'n ompadsisteem van aankope te skep waardeur die radio in die hande gekry kan kan word. Om nou die vervaardiger van die radio te blameer, is nie regverdig nie. So kan 'n kar gebruik word om mense dood te ry en is die vervaardiger dan skuldig omdat van sy produk misbruik gemaak is? Die wapenstelsels waarvan gepraat word bestaan uit duisende der duisende komponente waarvan elk ook vir duisende verskillende ONSKULDIGE gebruike aangewend kan word. Moet jy dan nou tegnologiese vooruitgang oor die algemeen stop net omdat daar 'n mal vark in Irak is wat kernwapens wil bou? Glo my, die geodkoopste uitweg sal wees om daai mal vark kaal af te slag! "Annette" skryf in boodskap news:au69hu$4kheb$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de... > Mag miskien wees - maar dit sal 'n uiters onskuldige voorsiener wees wat nie > sal weet waarvoor die verskillende komponente wat hy verkoop gebruik kan > word nie. Deel van die sales pitch. > Maar jy is reg - gaan in die eerste plek na die vervaardigers - dan gaan 'n > veel groter blik wurms oopgevlek word. > > Annette > > > "Suidwester" wrote in message > news:3e06a6a0.0@news1.mweb.co.za... >> Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as >> onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele gebruik >> word? Dit wat ek weet van klandestiene wapenvervaardiging, is dat elke >> komponent aangekoop word op 'n manier waarop die leweransier g'n idee het >> van wat jy daarmee wil maak nie. Voor die komponent dan gebruik word, > word >> dit 'skoongemaak' sodat daar geen moontlike opspoorbaarheid is n� gebruik >> nie. Ek neem aan die Irakse wapenprogram is hoogs geheim? Meeste >> elektroniese komponente kan die wêreldoor gekoop word, maar dit kan van >> dieselfde vervaardiger af kom. Miskien moet hulle bietjie dieper >> soek.....eerder na die leweransiers van die komponente as na die >> vervaardigers? >> "Annette" wrote in message >> news:au5ccj$4hjum$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de... >>> Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, dat >>> hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak? >>> Annette >>> >>> >>> "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message >>> news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com... >>>> >>>> Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program >>>> >>>> Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December >>>> 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that >>>> supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to >>>> develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the >>>> report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had >>>> seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK, >>>> Germany, France, China, and elsewhere. >>>> >>>> Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily >>>> newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original, >>>> uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have >>>> been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten >>>> non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed >>>> the list, presented below. >>>> >>>> >>>> [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times, >>>> the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news >>>> outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)] >>>> >>>> >>>> Key >>>> >>>> A = nuclear weapon program >>>> B = biological weapon program >>>> C = chemical weapon program >>>> R = rocket program >>>> K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi >>>> Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> USA >>>> >>>> 1. Honeywell (R, K) >>>> >>>> 2. Spectra Physics (K) >>>> >>>> 3. Semetex (R) >>>> >>>> 4. TI Coating (A, K) >>>> >>>> 5. Unisys (A, K) >>>> >>>> 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K) >>>> >>>> 7. Tektronix (R, A) >>>> >>>> 8. Rockwell (K) >>>> >>>> 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A) >>>> >>>> 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A) >>>> >>>> 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K) >>>> >>>> 12. Dupont (A) >>>> >>>> 13. Eastman Kodak (R) >>>> >>>> 14. American Type Culture Collection (B) >>>> >>>> 15. Alcolac International (C) >>>> >>>> 16. Consarc (A) >>>> >>>> 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K) >>>> >>>> 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A) >>>> >>>> 19. Electronic Associates (R) >>>> >>>> 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) >>>> >>>> 21. Bechtel (K) >>>> >>>> 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R) >>>> >>>> 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A) >>>> >>>> 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A) >>>> >>>> "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50 >>>> subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms >>>> business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers >>>> for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of >>>> Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence >>>> Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> China >>>> >>>> 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K) >>>> >>>> 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K) >>>> >>>> 3. China State Missile Company (R) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> France >>>> >>>> 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A) >>>> >>>> 2. Sciaky (A) >>>> >>>> 3. Thomson CSF (A, K) >>>> >>>> 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R) >>>> >>>> 5. Cerbag (A) >>>> >>>> 6. Protec SA (C) >>>> >>>> 7. Thales Group (A) >>>> >>>> 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Great Britain >>>> >>>> 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A) >>>> >>>> 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A) >>>> >>>> 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A) >>>> >>>> 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) >>>> >>>> 5. MEED International (A, C) >>>> >>>> 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R) >>>> >>>> 7. International Computer Limited (A, K) >>>> >>>> 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A) >>>> >>>> 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A) >>>> >>>> 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of >>>> Defence) >>>> >>>> 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R) >>>> >>>> 12. Technology Development Group (R) >>>> >>>> 13. International Signal and Control (R) >>>> >>>> 14. Terex Corporation (R) >>>> >>>> 15. Inwako (A) >>>> >>>> 16. TMG Engineering (K) >>>> >>>> 17. XYY Options, Inc (A) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> USSR/Russia >>>> >>>> 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R) >>>> >>>> 2. Niikhism (R) >>>> >>>> 3. Mars Rotor (R) >>>> >>>> 4. Livinvest (R) >>>> >>>> 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K) >>>> >>>> 6. Amsar Trading (K) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Japan >>>> >>>> 1. Fanuc (A) >>>> >>>> 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A) >>>> >>>> 3. NEC (A) >>>> >>>> 4. Osaka (A) >>>> >>>> 5. Waida (A) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Netherlands >>>> >>>> 1.Melchemie B.V. (C) >>>> >>>> 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C) >>>> >>>> 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Belgium >>>> >>>> 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A) >>>> >>>> 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C) >>>> >>>> 3. OIP Instrubel (K) >>>> >>>> 4. Phillips Petroleum (C) >>>> >>>> 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R) >>>> >>>> 6. Sebatra (A) >>>> >>>> 7. Space Research Corp. (R) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Spain >>>> >>>> 1. Donabat (R) >>>> >>>> 2. Treblam (C) >>>> >>>> 3. Zayer (A) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sweden >>>> >>>> 1. ABB (A) >>>> >>>> 2. Saab-Scania (R) >>>> >>>> >>>> Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the >>>> original in German. >>>> >>>> Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included >>>> in this list. >>>> >>> >> >
Ek lees jou nie verkeerd nie - wil net hê dat jy weer 'n bietjie opgewonde oor iets moet raak:)) Wat is die gevoel ivm Sadam van sy Buurlande en sy ander vriende - sal hulle so 'n oorlog verwelkom? Annette "Suidwester" skryf in boodskap news:3e06b6e4.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > Jy lees my verkeerd....gaan eers na die verspreiders. Ek gaan vir jou 'n > voorbeeld gee. Jy kan bv. 'n Walkie-Talkie radio orals in die wêreld koop, > maar jy kry gevorderde goete daarvan......dis daarmee dat bomme afgesit > word. Jy sal vind dat die vervaardigers en agente goed weet met wie hulle > nie mag deel nie en dus nie die radio aan jou sal verkoop nie. Die kuns > van die wapenvervaardiger lê dan juis om 'n ompadsisteem van aankope te skep > waardeur die radio in die hande gekry kan kan word. Om nou die > vervaardiger van die radio te blameer, is nie regverdig nie. So kan 'n kar > gebruik word om mense dood te ry en is die vervaardiger dan skuldig omdat > van sy produk misbruik gemaak is? > Die wapenstelsels waarvan gepraat word bestaan uit duisende der duisende > komponente waarvan elk ook vir duisende verskillende ONSKULDIGE gebruike > aangewend kan word. Moet jy dan nou tegnologiese vooruitgang oor die > algemeen stop net omdat daar 'n mal vark in Irak is wat kernwapens wil bou? > Glo my, die geodkoopste uitweg sal wees om daai mal vark kaal af te slag! > "Annette" wrote in message > news:au69hu$4kheb$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de... >> Mag miskien wees - maar dit sal 'n uiters onskuldige voorsiener wees wat > nie >> sal weet waarvoor die verskillende komponente wat hy verkoop gebruik kan >> word nie. Deel van die sales pitch. >> Maar jy is reg - gaan in die eerste plek na die vervaardigers - dan gaan > 'n >> veel groter blik wurms oopgevlek word. >> >> Annette >> >> >> "Suidwester" wrote in message >> news:3e06a6a0.0@news1.mweb.co.za... >>> Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as >>> onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele > gebruik >>> word? Dit wat ek weet van klandestiene wapenvervaardiging, is dat elke >>> komponent aangekoop word op 'n manier waarop die leweransier g'n idee > het >>> van wat jy daarmee wil maak nie. Voor die komponent dan gebruik word, >> word >>> dit 'skoongemaak' sodat daar geen moontlike opspoorbaarheid is n� > gebruik >>> nie. Ek neem aan die Irakse wapenprogram is hoogs geheim? Meeste >>> elektroniese komponente kan die wêreldoor gekoop word, maar dit kan van >>> dieselfde vervaardiger af kom. Miskien moet hulle bietjie dieper >>> soek.....eerder na die leweransiers van die komponente as na die >>> vervaardigers? >>> "Annette" wrote in message >>> news:au5ccj$4hjum$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de... >>>> Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, > dat >>>> hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak? >>>> Annette >>>> >>>> >>>> "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message >>>> news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com... >>>> > >>>> > Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program >>>> > >>>> > Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December >>>> > 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that >>>> > supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to >>>> > develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the >>>> > report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who > had >>>> > seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK, >>>> > Germany, France, China, and elsewhere. >>>> > >>>> > Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German > daily >>>> > newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original, >>>> > uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have >>>> > been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten >>>> > non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has > printed >>>> > the list, presented below. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial > Times, >>>> > the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news >>>> > outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Key >>>> > >>>> > A = nuclear weapon program >>>> > B = biological weapon program >>>> > C = chemical weapon program >>>> > R = rocket program >>>> > K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi >>>> > Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > USA >>>> > >>>> > 1. Honeywell (R, K) >>>> > >>>> > 2. Spectra Physics (K) >>>> > >>>> > 3. Semetex (R) >>>> > >>>> > 4. TI Coating (A, K) >>>> > >>>> > 5. Unisys (A, K) >>>> > >>>> > 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K) >>>> > >>>> > 7. Tektronix (R, A) >>>> > >>>> > 8. Rockwell (K) >>>> > >>>> > 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A) >>>> > >>>> > 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A) >>>> > >>>> > 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K) >>>> > >>>> > 12. Dupont (A) >>>> > >>>> > 13. Eastman Kodak (R) >>>> > >>>> > 14. American Type Culture Collection (B) >>>> > >>>> > 15. Alcolac International (C) >>>> > >>>> > 16. Consarc (A) >>>> > >>>> > 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K) >>>> > >>>> > 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A) >>>> > >>>> > 19. Electronic Associates (R) >>>> > >>>> > 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) >>>> > >>>> > 21. Bechtel (K) >>>> > >>>> > 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R) >>>> > >>>> > 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A) >>>> > >>>> > 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A) >>>> > >>>> > "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50 >>>> > subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms >>>> > business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers >>>> > for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of >>>> > Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence >>>> > Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories." >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > China >>>> > >>>> > 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K) >>>> > >>>> > 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K) >>>> > >>>> > 3. China State Missile Company (R) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > France >>>> > >>>> > 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A) >>>> > >>>> > 2. Sciaky (A) >>>> > >>>> > 3. Thomson CSF (A, K) >>>> > >>>> > 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R) >>>> > >>>> > 5. Cerbag (A) >>>> > >>>> > 6. Protec SA (C) >>>> > >>>> > 7. Thales Group (A) >>>> > >>>> > 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Great Britain >>>> > >>>> > 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A) >>>> > >>>> > 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A) >>>> > >>>> > 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A) >>>> > >>>> > 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) >>>> > >>>> > 5. MEED International (A, C) >>>> > >>>> > 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R) >>>> > >>>> > 7. International Computer Limited (A, K) >>>> > >>>> > 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A) >>>> > >>>> > 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A) >>>> > >>>> > 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of >>>> > Defence) >>>> > >>>> > 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R) >>>> > >>>> > 12. Technology Development Group (R) >>>> > >>>> > 13. International Signal and Control (R) >>>> > >>>> > 14. Terex Corporation (R) >>>> > >>>> > 15. Inwako (A) >>>> > >>>> > 16. TMG Engineering (K) >>>> > >>>> > 17. XYY Options, Inc (A) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > USSR/Russia >>>> > >>>> > 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R) >>>> > >>>> > 2. Niikhism (R) >>>> > >>>> > 3. Mars Rotor (R) >>>> > >>>> > 4. Livinvest (R) >>>> > >>>> > 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K) >>>> > >>>> > 6. Amsar Trading (K) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Japan >>>> > >>>> > 1. Fanuc (A) >>>> > >>>> > 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A) >>>> > >>>> > 3. NEC (A) >>>> > >>>> > 4. Osaka (A) >>>> > >>>> > 5. Waida (A) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > The Netherlands >>>> > >>>> > 1.Melchemie B.V. (C) >>>> > >>>> > 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C) >>>> > >>>> > 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Belgium >>>> > >>>> > 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A) >>>> > >>>> > 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C) >>>> > >>>> > 3. OIP Instrubel (K) >>>> > >>>> > 4. Phillips Petroleum (C) >>>> > >>>> > 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R) >>>> > >>>> > 6. Sebatra (A) >>>> > >>>> > 7. Space Research Corp. (R) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Spain >>>> > >>>> > 1. Donabat (R) >>>> > >>>> > 2. Treblam (C) >>>> > >>>> > 3. Zayer (A) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Sweden >>>> > >>>> > 1. ABB (A) >>>> > >>>> > 2. Saab-Scania (R) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the >>>> > original in German. >>>> > >>>> > Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included >>>> > in this list. >>>> > >>>> >>> >> >
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:00:56 +0200, "Suidwester" wrote: > Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as > onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele gebruik > word? Moet hulle nie geinspekteer word deur die VN nie? Ek meen, die doel van die hele ding is mos sekerlik om wapens van massa-vernietiging uit onverantwoordelike hande te hou, is dit nie? En jy kry nie meer onveranteoordelik as maatskappye wat bereid is om te verkoop aan wie ookal die geld het nie....
Kom ek stel dit vir jou so: Wapenstelsels van moderne aard is elektronies geweldig gekompliseerd. Kom ons vat 'n algemene ding soos 'n weerstand. Jy sal hom kry in jou huiswekker en jy sal hom kry in 'n atoombom. Raak jy nou meer tegnies, dan kan jy 'n kringbaan vir 'n wekker ontwerp en net so 'n paar draaie bysit wat geen normale mens sal kan uitwerk of voor sal omgee nie en jy kan 'n bom daarmee afsit! So kan jy 'n 100 gewone bedwekkers ondersoek en jy sal vind dat nie een van hulle bv 'n batterysterkte genoeg het om 'n detoneerder te laat 'klap' nie. So nou soek jy vir 'n wekker wat ontwerp is vir 'n sterker battery en op die ou end is dit dalk Piet Pompies se agterplaaswekkerfabriek in Garies wat die wekkers maak. Om hom nie agterdogtig te maak nie, stuur jy jou maat wat motors verkoop om die wekkers aan te koop en vertel vir ou Piet dat die wekkers vir geskenke weggegee word. Intussen blaas hulle dalk geboue daarmee op. Wat sal 'n inspeksie by Piet Pompies se fabriek in elk geval help? Hyself weet nie eers wie die kroeks is nie! Dis presies wat ELKE land se weermag doen. Wapens se komponente word klandestien aangekoop spesifiek vir die rede dat dit nie nagespoor moet word nie! Ek dink die wapeninspekteurs het nie veel van 'n kans om die regte wapens te identifiseer in elk geval nie. Sadam soek in elk geval al lank vir bloedkeel.... "Ferdi Greyling" skryf in boodskap news:mhid0voe2jv4ehb3vplb4rr4999pscgig1@4ax.com... > On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:00:56 +0200, "Suidwester" > wrote: > > as >> onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele gebruik >> word? > > Moet hulle nie geinspekteer word deur die VN nie? > > Ek meen, die doel van die hele ding is mos sekerlik om wapens van > massa-vernietiging uit onverantwoordelike hande te hou, is dit nie? > > En jy kry nie meer onveranteoordelik as maatskappye wat bereid is om > te verkoop aan wie ookal die geld het nie.... >
Of die duif kom huise toe na gaan slaap! (The pigeon comes home to roost) On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:52:02 +0200, "Annette" wrote: > Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, dat > hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak? > Annette > > > "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message > news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com... >> Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm >> The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program >> Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 December >> 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that >> supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to >> develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the >> report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who had >> seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK, >> Germany, France, China, and elsewhere. >> Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German daily >> newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original, >> uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations have >> been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten >> non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has printed >> the list, presented below. >> [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial Times, >> the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news >> outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)] >> Key >> A = nuclear weapon program >> B = biological weapon program >> C = chemical weapon program >> R = rocket program >> K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi >> Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants >> USA >> 1. Honeywell (R, K) >> 2. Spectra Physics (K) >> 3. Semetex (R) >> 4. TI Coating (A, K) >> 5. Unisys (A, K) >> 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K) >> 7. Tektronix (R, A) >> 8. Rockwell (K) >> 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A) >> 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A) >> 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K) >> 12. Dupont (A) >> 13. Eastman Kodak (R) >> 14. American Type Culture Collection (B) >> 15. Alcolac International (C) >> 16. Consarc (A) >> 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K) >> 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A) >> 19. Electronic Associates (R) >> 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) >> 21. Bechtel (K) >> 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R) >> 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A) >> 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A) >> "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50 >> subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms >> business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers >> for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of >> Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence >> Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories." >> China >> 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K) >> 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K) >> 3. China State Missile Company (R) >> France >> 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A) >> 2. Sciaky (A) >> 3. Thomson CSF (A, K) >> 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R) >> 5. Cerbag (A) >> 6. Protec SA (C) >> 7. Thales Group (A) >> 8. Societé Général pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A) >> Great Britain >> 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A) >> 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A) >> 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A) >> 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) >> 5. MEED International (A, C) >> 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R) >> 7. International Computer Limited (A, K) >> 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A) >> 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A) >> 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry of >> Defence) >> 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R) >> 12. Technology Development Group (R) >> 13. International Signal and Control (R) >> 14. Terex Corporation (R) >> 15. Inwako (A) >> 16. TMG Engineering (K) >> 17. XYY Options, Inc (A) >> USSR/Russia >> 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R) >> 2. Niikhism (R) >> 3. Mars Rotor (R) >> 4. Livinvest (R) >> 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K) >> 6. Amsar Trading (K) >> Japan >> 1. Fanuc (A) >> 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A) >> 3. NEC (A) >> 4. Osaka (A) >> 5. Waida (A) >> The Netherlands >> 1.Melchemie B.V. (C) >> 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C) >> 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K) >> Belgium >> 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A) >> 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C) >> 3. OIP Instrubel (K) >> 4. Phillips Petroleum (C) >> 5. Poudries Réunies Belge SA (R) >> 6. Sebatra (A) >> 7. Space Research Corp. (R) >> Spain >> 1. Donabat (R) >> 2. Treblam (C) >> 3. Zayer (A) >> Sweden >> 1. ABB (A) >> 2. Saab-Scania (R) >> Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the >> original in German. >> Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included >> in this list. >
Dis 'n moeilike vraag om te antwoord. mens sou dink dat Sadam bietjie vir bietjie in sy broek sou skeit net by die gedagte dat Amerika hom sou aanval want daar is geen manier waarop hy die Amerikaners kan aanvat nie. Mens soek darem mos nie ook moeilikheid met iemand wat jou verseker gaan moer nie. Tensy......daar 'n ander rede is hoekom hy soek die VSA moet hom looi sodat hy 'n rede kan kry om te retalie�r? En 'n man wat sy eie mense vir die val van 'n hoed teregstel, sal geen gewetenswroeging hê om 'n 'vuil' bom of chemiese aanvalle te loods op die Amerikaners, die VSA of Israel wat heelwat nader is nie. Ek glo Sadam sal nie 'n oomblik twyfel as hy 'n wêreldoorlog kan ontketen nie want dis hoe hy sy toekoms sien......groter mag vir hom en vir Islam. Ek sou dink die Amerikaners moet inspring en hierdie keer die ding ordentlik doen. Hulle het 'n kernwapen wat in die grond penetreer en dan met die geweldige hitte wat gegenereer word die rots en aarde saamsmelt en se�l waar hy tref en as jou ondergrondse bunker nou juis daar is, dan is jyself in die eerste plek 'n kai�ng en die wêreld sal nooit weer van jou hoor of sien nie. Sadam gaan hierdie keer ongelooflike stupid dinge doen.......dit sou beter vir die wêreld wees as hy in die kiem gesmoor kon word. "Annette" skryf in boodskap news:au6ek6$4met1$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de... > Ek lees jou nie verkeerd nie - wil net hê dat jy weer 'n bietjie opgewonde > oor iets moet raak:)) > Wat is die gevoel ivm Sadam van sy Buurlande en sy ander vriende - sal hulle > so 'n oorlog verwelkom? > Annette > > > "Suidwester" wrote in message > news:3e06b6e4.0@news1.mweb.co.za... >> Jy lees my verkeerd....gaan eers na die verspreiders. Ek gaan vir jou 'n >> voorbeeld gee. Jy kan bv. 'n Walkie-Talkie radio orals in die wêreld > koop, >> maar jy kry gevorderde goete daarvan......dis daarmee dat bomme afgesit >> word. Jy sal vind dat die vervaardigers en agente goed weet met wie > hulle >> nie mag deel nie en dus nie die radio aan jou sal verkoop nie. Die kuns >> van die wapenvervaardiger lê dan juis om 'n ompadsisteem van aankope te > skep >> waardeur die radio in die hande gekry kan kan word. Om nou die >> vervaardiger van die radio te blameer, is nie regverdig nie. So kan 'n > kar >> gebruik word om mense dood te ry en is die vervaardiger dan skuldig omdat >> van sy produk misbruik gemaak is? >> Die wapenstelsels waarvan gepraat word bestaan uit duisende der > duisende >> komponente waarvan elk ook vir duisende verskillende ONSKULDIGE gebruike >> aangewend kan word. Moet jy dan nou tegnologiese vooruitgang oor die >> algemeen stop net omdat daar 'n mal vark in Irak is wat kernwapens wil > bou? >> Glo my, die geodkoopste uitweg sal wees om daai mal vark kaal af te slag! >> "Annette" wrote in message >> news:au69hu$4kheb$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de... >>> Mag miskien wees - maar dit sal 'n uiters onskuldige voorsiener wees wat >> nie >>> sal weet waarvoor die verskillende komponente wat hy verkoop gebruik kan >>> word nie. Deel van die sales pitch. >>> Maar jy is reg - gaan in die eerste plek na die vervaardigers - dan gaan >> 'n >>> veel groter blik wurms oopgevlek word. >>> >>> Annette >>> >>> >>> "Suidwester" wrote in message >>> news:3e06a6a0.0@news1.mweb.co.za... >>>> Mens wonder dadelik hoeveel van die firmas wat hier uitgewys word as >>>> onderdeleverskaffers aan Irak, weet werklik waarvoor hul onderdele >> gebruik >>>> word? Dit wat ek weet van klandestiene wapenvervaardiging, is dat > elke >>>> komponent aangekoop word op 'n manier waarop die leweransier g'n idee >> het >>>> van wat jy daarmee wil maak nie. Voor die komponent dan gebruik > word, >>> word >>>> dit 'skoongemaak' sodat daar geen moontlike opspoorbaarheid is n� >> gebruik >>>> nie. Ek neem aan die Irakse wapenprogram is hoogs geheim? Meeste >>>> elektroniese komponente kan die wêreldoor gekoop word, maar dit kan > van >>>> dieselfde vervaardiger af kom. Miskien moet hulle bietjie dieper >>>> soek.....eerder na die leweransiers van die komponente as na die >>>> vervaardigers? >>>> "Annette" wrote in message >>>> news:au5ccj$4hjum$1@ID-92016.news.dfncis.de... >>>> > Dis seker hoekom die VSA en UK so seker was dat Sadam die goed het, >> dat >>>> > hulle nou wil gaan oorlog maak? >>>> > Annette >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > "Ferdi Greyling" wrote in message >>>> > news:gfcc0vgedo5lt53ikvnpcpnaq11dh15k66@4ax.com... >>>> > > >>>> > > Van die web site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/index.htm >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program >>>> > > >>>> > > Even before Iraq released its weapons-program dossier on 7 > December >>>> > > 2002, it was said that the report would name the corporations that >>>> > > supplied Iraq with the equipment and other material it needed to >>>> > > develop biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Soon after the >>>> > > report was released, those suspicions were confirmed. Sources who >> had >>>> > > seen the report said that it identified suppliers from the US, UK, >>>> > > Germany, France, China, and elsewhere. >>>> > > >>>> > > Now, that part of the report has been leaked. The leftist German >> daily >>>> > > newspaper Die Tageszeitung received portions of the original, >>>> > > uncensored 12,000-page dossier. (The names of the corporations > have >>>> > > been blacked out of the version of the report given to the ten >>>> > > non-permanent members of the Security Council.) The paper has >> printed >>>> > > the list, presented below. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > [read more about the leak at the Independent (London) Financial >> Times, >>>> > > the Guardian (London), and the Associated Press (the only US news >>>> > > outlet to touch the story, albeit in an unrevealing article)] >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Key >>>> > > >>>> > > A = nuclear weapon program >>>> > > B = biological weapon program >>>> > > C = chemical weapon program >>>> > > R = rocket program >>>> > > K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the > Iraqi >>>> > > Ministry of Defense, and building of military plants >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > USA >>>> > > >>>> > > 1. Honeywell (R, K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 2. Spectra Physics (K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 3. Semetex (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 4. TI Coating (A, K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 5. Unisys (A, K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 6. Sperry Corp. (R, K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 7. Tektronix (R, A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 8. Rockwell (K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 11. Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 12. Dupont (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 13. Eastman Kodak (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 14. American Type Culture Collection (B) >>>> > > >>>> > > 15. Alcolac International (C) >>>> > > >>>> > > 16. Consarc (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 17. Carl Zeiss - U.S (K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 19. Electronic Associates (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 20. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 21. Bechtel (K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 22. EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50 >>>> > > subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms >>>> > > business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as > suppliers >>>> > > for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of >>>> > > Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence >>>> > > Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories." >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > China >>>> > > >>>> > > 1. China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 2. Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 3. China State Missile Company (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > France >>>> > > >>>> > > 1. Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 2. Sciaky (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 3. Thomson CSF (A, K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 4. Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 5. Cerbag (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 6. Protec SA (C) >>>> > > >>>> > > 7. Thales Group (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 8. Societ� G�n�ral pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Great Britain >>>> > > >>>> > > 1. Euromac Ltd-Uk (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 2. C. Plath-Nuclear (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 3. Endshire Export Marketing (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 4. International Computer Systems (A, R, K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 5. MEED International (A, C) >>>> > > >>>> > > 6. Walter Somers Ltd. (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 7. International Computer Limited (A, K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 8. Matrix Churchill Corp. (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 9. Ali Ashour Daghir (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 10. International Military Services (R) (part of the UK Ministry > of >>>> > > Defence) >>>> > > >>>> > > 11. Sheffield Forgemasters (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 12. Technology Development Group (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 13. International Signal and Control (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 14. Terex Corporation (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 15. Inwako (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 16. TMG Engineering (K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 17. XYY Options, Inc (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > USSR/Russia >>>> > > >>>> > > 1. Soviet State Missile Co. (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 2. Niikhism (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 3. Mars Rotor (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 4. Livinvest (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 5. Russia Aviatin Trading House (K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 6. Amsar Trading (K) >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Japan >>>> > > >>>> > > 1. Fanuc (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 2. Hammamatsu Photonics KK (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 3. NEC (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 4. Osaka (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 5. Waida (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > The Netherlands >>>> > > >>>> > > 1.Melchemie B.V. (C) >>>> > > >>>> > > 2. KBS Holland B.V. (C) >>>> > > >>>> > > 3. Delft Instruments N.V. (K) >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Belgium >>>> > > >>>> > > 1. Boehler Edelstahl (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 2. NU Kraft Mercantile Corporation (C) >>>> > > >>>> > > 3. OIP Instrubel (K) >>>> > > >>>> > > 4. Phillips Petroleum (C) >>>> > > >>>> > > 5. Poudries R�unies Belge SA (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 6. Sebatra (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 7. Space Research Corp. (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Spain >>>> > > >>>> > > 1. Donabat (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > 2. Treblam (C) >>>> > > >>>> > > 3. Zayer (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Sweden >>>> > > >>>> > > 1. ABB (A) >>>> > > >>>> > > 2. Saab-Scania (R) >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Source: Die Tageszeitung, No. 6934, 19 Dec 2002, page 3. See the >>>> > > original in German. >>>> > > >>>> > > Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not > included >>>> > > in this list. >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>> >> >